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Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971
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I used to dress as a railroad engineer in railroad stripe overalls. I understand this is really 20th century railroad garb and was not common in the 19th century. I wore them anyway because they looked right. Many shooters now wear blue jeans instead of the trousers sold for CAS. This makes sense. Blue jeans cost less, can be bought with the needed length and have a zipper instead of buttons. One won't winner a costume contest wearing blue jeans but they sure are functional.
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I shoot mostly in the desert Southwest. Gusty winds on treeless ranges often blow set targets over just before and while a shooter is on the clock. We could not conduct a match if all targets had to be up. Popup shotgun targets are another matter. They need to be up and loaded with a target.
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Congratulations to Bad Chad and Half a Hand Henri, men’s and ladies champions. The Fowler City Range was in good shape and even the roads were freshly graded. Weather was great. I shot the cowboy grouse side match and am glad I brought enough shells for a few runs. Congratulations to my wife Doc Barium on winning Ladies Frontier Cartridge, her third win at a state match this year. I surprised myself by shooting the Wild Bunch match clean.
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1 hour ago, High Spade Mikey Wilson said:
As stated above visit some matches and talk to people. Your pistols, shotgun, and rifle are fine for all catagories except Classic Cowboy. The one issue that I see is with your rifle. The Rossi 92 with 16" barrel only holds 8 rounds so if you use it you will have to reload two rounds on the clock.
The Rossi may hold nine 38 Specials. However, you might experience feeding problems with them.Pioneer Gunworks in Oregon is very experienced in CAS guns. Consider them for your future needs.
Your stiff 20-gauge shotgun will loosen with use. Don’t be concerned about starting with it.
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1 hour ago, Dapper Dave said:
I'm cheap, I got the one from Mernickel for my Heritage/Rossi 92. It's plain suede and the difference it makes is phenomenal, actually.
Someday when I can afford one I'll get something fancier, but for the price this one is hard to beat.
That’s what a I use too. I have several of them, all dyed purple.-
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9 hours ago, Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 said:
I just ran down and pulled the bushing I am using on my Mec jr for a 1oz square load and it is the Mec # 46 bushing. Using 2f real black. But if you are going to use APP would suggest only to use the 3f as the 2f is very chunky.
I use a #46 bushing for my BP clays loads. They pattern just like Gun Clubs and can break distant birds. However, these are stouter loads than needed for main match knockdown targets. -
It may be something simple you can easily fix yourself. The firing pin retention nuts tend to back out on my Stoegers causing malfunctions. I had a barrel stop firing on one when a fragment of lead shot got in the action. Take the shotgun apart, clean it, tighten fasteners and remove any foreign material and see if it starts working.
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13 hours ago, Dapper Dave said:
As for BP for SASS, I'm getting there, REAL slow. But bullets suitable for both are great to have.
The bullets you already have are suitable for loading with APP. It is a legal propellant in SASS matches. I shoot major matches across the US and find my fellow BP shooters mostly shoot APP. I don't but there is no criticism on range for those who choose APP.
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Just now, Texas Maverick said:
I also just bought a used 9000G and bought a 35 and a 36 bushing to start my testing to see what they drop in APP 3F. It is going to be a trial and error situation from all that I have been able to read. No one was really able to give me the specifics. Good luck in your testing.
TM
I load my wife's BP shotshells in Remington hulls with a TGT12 replacement wad, 1 oz shot and Triple Seven through a MEC #36 bushing. This gives a nice column height. APP through that bushing should make a nice shell too. I use Triple Seven because it is finer grained than APP and meters reliably.
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8 hours ago, Erasmus said:
I'm not the person you're asking but.... I'm about to use some Bear Creek Supply bullets over real black with no lube completely on accident. I meant to load APP but accidentally loaded Schuetzen and then some filler. Rather than waste the powder and bullets by pulling down I figure I'll just shoot them last in the stage and swab the bore afterward. Who knows, maybe it won't work.
An alternative is to shoot them in your revolvers. Dab some shortening into the ends of the cylinders and fire away. Your guns will run fine but will get a fine coating of grease on them that can be wiped off at the unloading table. I did this once before I found a source of BP-lubed bullets.
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KK, your stage times are respectable for a new shooter. Regarding the jammed rifle, Palo Verde make an unjamming tool for '73s that makes the removal of a bad round quick and easy. I used mine on a fellow shooter's jammed '73 Saturday. Bad ammo happens though I only load in once fired or virgin brass for major matches. This reduces the likelihood of bad ammo. R-P stamped brass is prone to bullets pushing back into the case, so I reserve them for handguns along with nickel-plated brass that is prone to splitting.
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On 5/18/2025 at 1:21 PM, La Sombra said:
Jace the Ace and I were on the same posse at the GA State Match. The young man is humble, helpful and a very good competitor. He spotted, reset targets, and picked up brass. I hope we can shoot together again. (Oh yeah, he is a good shot too!)
La Sombra
This is an understatement. He shot on my posse at Fire and Ice, won Buckaroo and beat all the adults on the posse. He shoots like he is five years older than he is. When he is old enough that he needs to shoot in the Cowboy category he's going to be a serious competitor for National and World Champion. He's just going to get better.
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On 5/13/2025 at 4:38 PM, Marshal Bobby said:
I'm a "newbie" guys. I have looked everywhere for #4, shotgun shells, it always come back #4 buckshot. The rules say it has to be #4, the smallest I can find is #6. Please let me know.
Where are you shopping that you can't find shotgun shells loaded with #8 or # 7 1/2 lead shot? These shot sizes are favored by clays shooters and dove hunters. I can easily buy them at my local Wal*Mart. If you live somewhere with poor retail availability of ammunition, go online and buy a case of Winchester AA low noise low recoil target shotgun shells. These are favored for CAS.
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My Laser-Craft Reloading Handbook states 3.4 grains of Red Dot gave 879 fps out of a 6-inch barrel revolver. This is the starting load. (I do not shoot Red Dot and personally have no ballistic data.)
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Are you looking for Allen Universal Trigger Locks?
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2 hours ago, Don Jorge said:
I did not want to hijack the thread concerning CAS scoring and the fee, specifically.
Is there a charge for using Practiscore? Who is supporting Practiscore financially?
What is it worth, to a club, to use an electronic scoring program, vs paper (ugh!)
Someone has to pay for the development and maintenance of the program. Who would do it for free? I know that we all would want it for free, but that is impractical. As I recall, ACES went away due to no financial support.
It is my impression that the scoring program sold/promoted by SASS is not very popular, whereas both CAS Scoring (until now) and Practiscore are popular. Perhaps we should consider some sort of cooperation between SASS (and its members) and one of the better scoring entities to have a platform we can use at a reasonable price..
Practiscore is backed by Sig Sauer. The application has advertising from vendors in the firearms industry. For example, the Practiscore home page currently shows an ad for self-defense insurance from USCCA. Persons visiting the Practiscore site are participants in recreational shooting sports. Ads placed on Practiscore are targeted to likely customers. More Practiscore users means more ad revenue.
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1 hour ago, Don Jorge said:
Does Practiscore allow bluetooth hookup with a Bluetooth timer?
My club uses this combination successfully for modern action handgun matches. When the TO shows the scorekeeper the timer display, the bluetooth connection is strong enough to sync. Our tablets are sensitive to heat. (For example, the operating range for iPads is freezing to 95-deg F.) They need to be kept in the shade to keep working. (Provide the scorekeeper a chair and shade.) South Carolina State (The Bushwack) used Bluetooth timers and tablets and was ready for an awards ceremony about an hour after the final stage was shot. Bordertown also uses electronic scoring.
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I've shot this match several times and will return. The props are good (see the train below).
Some stages had clays so brush up your clay busting before the match. Side matches include several long-range events.
The onsite camping is very near the shooting. I stayed at a nearby (pricey) KOA the last time I shot this match. The range is just southwest of the SLC airport. There is a cluster of hotels just west of the airport that are reasonably close to the shooting range. This match would be a good choice for those who don't camp.
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Hooks are handy to hang things like spent brass bags. Get a water-proof cover for it. You will eventually need one.
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16 hours ago, Horse Creek Spinks said:
My son is young and wants to compete. I’d like to start him with something that he can achieve those goals with or if he loses interest in competing, will still have guns he can enjoy for many years.
Me, well I just want to look cool, and have something to do while watching my son compete. However at the same time, I do not like junk guns! That’s the reason for the series of questions. We will probably share the rifle and shotgun to start.
Since you will not be a serious competitor, you won't be able to coach your son on how to shoot faster. Have him view Long Hunter's videos on YouTube for needed tips. Search YouTube with "long hunter nssf" to find the videos.
Be sure you son's shotgun fits him and has a good recoil pad. Buy him Winchester low noise recoil shotgun shells (part #AA12FL8). These are more comfortable for young shooters than the shells used for clays.
CAS is not the only way for a youngster to learn how to shoot. Locally, several high schools have trap leagues. A local trap club lets them have exclusive use of some fields on practice and competition days. A nearby rifle and pistol club hosts 4-H shooting programs. Air rifle competition is their most popular sport. Several 4-H shooters go to the Jr Olympics each year. Some have been offered scholarships at four-year colleges. While SASS has a scholarship program, it is not as well-funded.
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Question 2: a Stoeger SxS shotgun and a Rossi 1892 lever action rifle. (No recommendations for revolvers)
Question 3: a Henry .22 lever action rifle, Ruger Wranglers in .22 and a single barrel, break-open shotgun. (Some clubs allow the use of .22s.)
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If you take that cart to matches in the West, desert thorns will puncture the tires. Thorn-resistant tubes are available.
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4 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:
This works great. The wire is retractable so it doesn’t get bent and can be found in any store that sells muzzle loading supplies. Also available on Amazon.
I acquired one of these through unusual circumstances. I had a career at a major laboratory in health and safety. Someone found one of these in a parking lot and thought it might be a radioactive source. My technicians responded to an "emergency scene" and quickly determined it was not radioactive. When I examined it, I quickly identified it as a nipple pick that probably fell off a black powder shooter's key chain. After all the needed photos were taken for the official emergency response report I was given the nipple pick since I had a use for it. I used it on my ROAs for years until it fell apart.
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1 hour ago, Flying W Ramrod said:
Check the schedule. No Plainsman this year.
They must have lost the bucket with the holes in it. 😉
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What wad for APP 3F?
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I use Claybuster CB1138-12 red wads for my 1 1/8 oz loads. They are short leaving room for plenty of black powder. Hodgdon used to recommend them for shells loaded with Pyrodex or Triple Seven. I also used up an old bag of Pacific Verelite wads for the same load and they worked equally well. I load for 1 oz too but with Triple Seven so I won't bother mentioning the wad I use. I don't load black powder or the subs by weight. I just load volumes that give me a desired stack height.
Use any 209 primer you have for APP. They all work. Don't expect a long life for your AAs loaded with APP. The crimps will get brittle quickly. I toss any plastic hull shot with real black powder or the subs after one use.