Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971
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As long as I keep my property mowed rattlesnakes stay away. The neighborhood roadrunner makes short work of snakes out in the open. Last year a roadrunner nested under my back porch. I made sure it felt safe there. Roadrunners are beneficial birds.
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2 minutes ago, Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L said:
Missouri Bullet Company
Use discount code SASS.
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Try Colorado Cast.
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I run a CPAP off a big marine battery and an inverter when dry camping at CAS matches. I mostly shoot in desert locations so the heated humidifier must run. In the morning I start a small inverter/generator to charge both the Travel trailer batteries and the battery for the CPAP. The battery for the CPAP reads about 50% charge on the battery charger used to charge it. When I return from shooting all batteries are charged. I charge batteries daily.
The inverter I use is not pure sine-wave. My CPAP manufacturer told me the CPAP did not require a pure sine-wave inverter. If you are uncertain about your power requirements pay extra for a pure sine-wave inverter.
Expect to replace a deep discharge marine battery about every three years.
A battery box
A pure sine-wave inverter
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You could contact the powder distributor directly and ask for a load. Here is a link: https://hodgdonreloading.com/contact.
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On 9/24/2022 at 3:19 PM, Youngson said:
My local Walmart (Danville Ky) has a bunch as well. $12.40 a box. Have not seen any there in 2 years.
Seen at my local Wal*Mart this morning, $12.27/box.
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Get to the airport early. When flying with ammo the TSA has always opened and inspected my bag and then left a notice inside. You need to make sure your bags get placed onto your flight in time. The TSA once contacted me and said their explosives detector got positive readings on the contents my bag and asked for an explanation. I told them I handloaded some ammunition the day I packed the bag and that may have been the cause. They accepted that explanation and my bag flew.
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6 hours ago, Star Shooter said:
OK so I've decided it's time for me to start reloading my own shotgun shells as both the wife and I are shooting more matches every year. I've been doing some research but since I'm new to shotgun reloading I thought I would start here and get some advice from people that have been doing this for a while. I have many questions....
1 - What press is good for reloading 12 gauge without breaking the bank? Between the two of us we probably shoot about 6 cases of shells a year.
2 - What is the best shot size for our sport? I currently use 7.5.
3 - What powder do you use? Do you load at the minimum end of the load specs?
4 - What shell cases hold up best to reloading - how many times can you reload them?
5 - Does the wad choice matter much? As long as the size is correct, is one better than the other for our sport?
6 - Does the primer brand matter or is any 209 acceptable?
Finally, what are some good places to purchase the above supplies?
Thanks for any input you have!!
Star Shooter
1. See this thread: Thinking about getting Auto Progressive Shotgun Loader what's out there - SASS Wire - SASS Wire Forum (sassnet.com)
Look for used presses. Most are durable.
2. Any legal shot size works. However, I prefer smaller shot size as sometimes shot bounces back and hits my face. Smaller shot hurts less. I loaded #8 1/2 for Land Run. Your #7 1/2 will work well. Try to buy shot locally as shipping is expensive. Shootin Fox in Oklahoma makes and ships shot.
3. I load Alliant Extra-Lite for CAS. It is designed for 7/8 oz loads. I load at the bottom of Alliant's published loads and my loads go bang in cold weather. Some load a grain or two lower. Others load Clays, Clay Dot, Red Dot and even Unique for light loads.
4. My presses are set up for Remington hulls so that is mostly what I load. Nitro and STS hulls have brass bases and smooth plastic sides that make nice crimps and shuck well from SxS shotguns. After the hulls get frosty I use them in pump shotguns. You can get a dozen or so reloads out of most Nitro and STS hulls. I also load Gun Club hulls with black powder (or subs) and toss after firing. Another local black powder shooter loads AA hulls for his '87 with good results. You can buy once-fired shotgun hulls on gun auction sites. I pick up all the Gun Club hulls I need for free on clays ranges. You won't find many Nitro or STS hulls in the trash.
5. Use the wads specified in the published load you choose. I load with Claybuster CB-0178-12 grey wads. Wads are available from local gun stores and online retailers. Presently my Sportsmans stocks the Claybuster wads I load.
6. Use the primer specified in the published load you choose. Presently I load Cheddite 209s because they are available. I bought some from my local Sportsmans yesterday. Four well-known online retailers are selling Cheddite 209s this week.
I will send a message with the web addresses of reloading suppliers I trust.
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My wife has an SKB. I have a Browning BSS. She prefers the SKB because it is lighter. I prefer the BSS because it is heavier. They are both quality shotguns.
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Hodgdon provides some load information. See https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/muzzleloading_manual_2008.pdf. They advise against using ordinary powder measures with Pyrodex. I would use my Lyman black powder measure. (Pyrodex is my least favored black powder sub.)
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I was shooting on a stage where you shot out of a jail with bars and a narrow opening. Evil Roy was my TO. I carefully placed myself so I could lean left or right and hit all the targets and also easily reholster my revolvers. I shot the stage well and at the end ER said "You've been shooting awhile haven't you?" I felt honored by ER's compliment.
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I saw these on the shelf of my local Sportsmans yesterday and informed local SASS members.
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Buy new brass when available. When I started loading gas checked bullets I quit getting flyers. I load with (the unavailable) Trail Boss.
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I view this question from an economic viewpoint and not from one of fairness. An annual match has many fixed costs that must be covered by entry fees. A sponsoring club does not want to turn away or restrict applications - they need the money. My home club just was approved for the 2023 state SASS match. If our contract restricted entries from neighboring states we would not have applied. The risk to our treasury would be unacceptable. The current system of recognizing match and state winners works.
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42 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said:
I gave up writing stages. I modified stages written for a Florida club where they would fit our physical stages. I introduced shooter's choice of gun order, etc. Match director didn't like them. Struck all the choices and went back to 10-10-4. Too confusing, he said. Too many Ps. The two clubs we shoot at just shuffle the same 3-4 sweeps month after month. Everybody happy.
The downside of shooting the same sweeps over and over is the shooters are not prepared for unique sweeps they may encounter elsewhere. I travel to out-of-state matches and always encounter sweeps I've never seen (and enjoy the new challenge). Regarding shooting left to right or right to left, as a black powder shooter I want to sweep from downwind to upwind. Forcing me to sweep into my smoke cloud is not enjoyable. In calm conditions I may shoot my shotgun last to minimize the smoke cloud on a stage.
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Scores are up for the Fall Fandango. Congradulations to Capitan Regulator, main match winner and Texas Tiger, top lady shooter and winner of the Wild Bunch match. Weather was good with mild temperatures, light overcast and light winds. There was plenty of camping with electric hookups across from the shooting bays. We had shooters from Colorado, Arizona and all over New Mexico. Thanks to our sponsors: SASS, Wild West Mercantile, Old West Gunworks and Bang and Clang Bullets. Thanks also to the City of ABQ Shooting Range Park for providing outhouses, trash service and after-hours access to their facility.
The Fandango will be the New Mexico State SASS match in 2023 to be held September 15-17.
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I have one of the Winter Range bags pictured by Pettifogger and it is perfect. I also have canvas bags given away at matches. If I lacked these I would just install a grommet on a lead shot bag and use that. I've used small bags from pinto beans but the burlap is not durable.
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3 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:
Keep your shells dry. Desiccant packs in a steel ammo box are perfect for storing "black" shells. This time of year (high humidity and warm temps), BP and subs will suck in atmospheric moisture. If this only happens to you now, not in the winter, there's your problem and solution.
good luck, GJ
I bought some of these online. My ammo loaded with BP subs gets stored in a dry box with one of these inside. They recharge from a 110 V outlet.
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The City Range is getting ready for the Fandango. Outhouses are delivered and the City even repaved the access road for the match! You can pull your travel trailer in without having to dodge hundreds of potholes.
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1 hour ago, Chantry said:
Lots of decent reloading machines....if they are in stock. I know a lot of progressive rifle/pistol presses have been out of stock
Another problem is components, shotgun primers are expensive and often hard to find, powder can be hard to find and there aren't always a lot of options and the retail price of bird shot is pushing $50/25 lbs.
I'm not saying whether or not you should reload, but depending on what you have on hand and what you will have to buy, you might not save any money compared to buying factory ammo. Prices on shotgun ammo are dropping, although most of what is available is Fiocchi or Rio, but they are quality makers.
Here are two links to search for ammo. If the seller doesn't accept credit cards, it probably a scam:
The supply situation has improved over the last few months. The Cheddite 209 shotgun primers I load in my 7/8 oz CAS shotgun loads are available online for ~8-cents each. My powder of choice for CAS shotgun loads, Alliant Extra-Lite is also available and has been sold online recently in 8-lb jugs. No shot has been available at local retailers for a long time so a few local shooters are loading with Shootin Fox's #7 1/2 shot. I picked up some at EOT to avoid shipping costs. I still find once-fired Remington Gun Club hulls for free at clays ranges and load these for local matches. Suitable wads are available at my local retailers and online. I think you could start reloading shotgun shells for CAS within a few weeks of setting up your press.
+1 for MEC Jrs. I load both blackpowder and smokeless shells for CAS on one I bought used for $60. I've only had to replace the sizing ring and the rubber bottle grommets on mine.
Locally AA "featherlights" are available at Wal*Marts and a big box retailer for ~$12-$14 a box. I can reload low-recoil shells for about half that price.
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I have some experience with the Walker Ear buds. They worked but fit me poorly and were difficult to change batteries. The buds use hearing aid batteries. They would last for a three-day match if turned off when not in use but would be dead a week later even if turned off. (This is the nature of air-activated batteries.) I now wear rechargeable hearing aids and have a backup pair of single channel hearing amplifiers that are also rechargeable. Both can be used for about a day and a half before needing recharging. When shooting CAS I prefer a pair of muffs that fit under a hat. I can change batteries quickly if they die during a match. I can get a month's worth of shooting on one set of lithium batteries.
You get what you pay for with hearing protection electronics. Cheap models may turn off for much longer than shot noise is present and may have objectionable buzzing or humming. Keep doing your online research and avoid products with mediocre ratings.
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9 minutes ago, Rattlesnake Slim said:
Jackaroo, check rvshare.com. They match up privately rented RVs with individual renters. Lots listed in Tucson and Phoenix
My experience with rvshare was not good. When I tried to rent while my trailer was in for repair trailers listed on rvshare were not really available. Stories like "my daughter is using the trailer" or "I sold the trailer six months ago."
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JEW, perhaps some are reloading with reclaimed shot that is much less expensive than virgin shot.
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17 hours ago, John E. Law said:
Where are you all getting your supplies to load shotgun for $5.50-$5.75 a box? Even if I take the cost of the hull completely out it's still running $8.50 per box loading a lighter than LNLR 7/8 oz load. Are you using costs of components that were bought last year or last week? The prices I listed are prices from today that were in stock and that I physically bought. IF you're getting prices that are cheaper than I listed above please let me know where, because that under wholesale in today's prices. I get my cartridge components wholesale, but none of my distributors can get shotgun components, but even if they did I still couldn't load at these prices listed.
JEL
I looked at your numbers and saw opportunities for savings. I don't buy once-fired hulls because I get plenty from fellow CAS shooters and at clays ranges. Ballistic Products sells Cheddite 209 primers for ~$60/1,000. Even with shipping and HAZMAT that works out to less than 11-cents a primer. Shootin Fox sells lead shot for $40/25-lbs. I got mine without shipping costs by picking it up in person and will restock at Land Run. The shot in a 7/8-oz load with Fox's shot costs ~9-cents.
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I am on posse 5 (my lucky number).