Bisley Joe
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4 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
This one tested the best. It is the "Super Blue" not the regular Birchwood Casey cold blue. You have to wear gloves with this stuff. I have several cold blues and this one is pretty good. HOWEVER, NO, NONE, NADA, cold blue is as long lasting as hot tank blue nor do they cover like hot blue. Period! Also some cold blues take to certain kinds of steel better than others. That is why I have .44-40, Oxpho-Blue and the Super Blue on hand.
Good to know!
Thanks!
Will check that out as well.
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On 5/9/2025 at 9:25 PM, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:
Main reason the top latch is loose is someone shot heavier loads than the latch was made to handle - commonly factory loaded smokeless loads made for later model pocket pistols. The first and second gen IJs were made for black powder ONLY! The LONG entry into the cylinder locking slot proves this was a black powder gun. Repairing the loose latch problem usually well exceeds the value of the gun, especially now that the gun has been out of production for over 100 years and parts have to be made or salvaged off another gun..
The usual answer for your problem is to buy another pocket pistol, but this time you know how important it is to check the top latch and trigger function.
Unless you are good with shooting and cleaning after black powder loads, you should look for a 3rd generation IJ (which will probably be twice the price of an older IJ).
good luck, GJ
I am good with BP. THat's what I shoot in my CAS guns and flintlocks.
That sucks about loose latch.
If anyone can recommend a smith that can fix it, please do. I will give it an attempt and see if it's doable.
And... I'll keep the jpg thing in mind next time.
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On 5/9/2025 at 4:39 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:
Are you talking a DIY job, or having a gunsmith repair/restore it? If DIY, I'll assume you are capable of the needed work.
As is, especially since it's not working, I'd say a full "restoration" is a worthy thought, although, I'd keep the grips.
Caliber....
There is no such thing as S&W .38 Short There is .38 S&W and .38 Short Colt, two very similar, but incompatible cartridges. I'd say with 99-44/100% probability that it is a .38 S&W, but be sure.
Old top breaks like this are a lot of fun to shoot, and I don't think you can go wrong with it.I would have someone do it, unless there was a way to learn to do it without a major education on it.
I would be glad to shoot it with BP loads!
Reminds me of seeing Spanish/Classical guitars strung with steel strings, and the necks torn off eventually.On 5/9/2025 at 5:16 PM, Dapper Dave said:Looks a lot like my Iver Johnson Second Model in 38 SW. The owls head looking forward and the cylinder notches say black powder only. The cylinder spins - that's normal. Seriously, it is how the guns were made to make them more affordable. As long as they lock up tight during firing, they are OK. Sounds like your trigger return spring is sprung, and I don't know about the top latch, unless the metal itself is work badly, should be easy. However, I am not a gunsmith and I don't play one on TV. I do, however, have a gun just like yours that was rescued and is now fully functional.
I know a gunsmith who has fixed several guns of this type, including the exact one here...but he's semi retired. However, you are in AZ and he is in Mesa...
Do understand, these are NOT expensive firearms, and the repairs to get one back into firing condition is extremely likely to be more than the gun itself is worth. Having said that, I have discovered a liking for these antique cheap wheelguns; these are what I shot this morning.
Pro Tip - do NOT dry fire unless you have an expended case in the chamber. Had to get the H&R American fixed for doing that, caused a spring to jump its track.
Thanks!
Those are very lovely revolvers!
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How-DEE!!!
I have an old Colt Official Police .38 Special with.a 4" barrel.
I want to re-blue it and have it last. It will be a carry gun, so I want it to wear well.
Any recommendations for bluing it myself?
I have heard that oxpho-blue is good, but does it last?
Any tips on keeping the blue from getting too dark? I'd like it to actually look blue.
I would love to nitre blue the hammer, trigger, and screws also, but not sure I want to take it apart, as I am no gunsmith.
It will get a pair of faux ivory grips, which should be rather lovely when all done.
Thank ye!
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HOW-DEEEEE!
I got this old Iver Johnson in Colorado back around 2001 or so.I'd like to get it working and be able to shoot some BP loads. I think its S&W 38 short.
Issues:- When I pull the trigger, it rotates the cylinder and works and drops the hammer, but the trigger stays back.
- Cylinder can be spun until hammer is cocked like a single action or is all way back.
- There is a little bit of play in the top strap release latch. You can see it in the pictures.
I would like t5o get it working and do maybe a nice blueing on it, maybe some faux ivory grips.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bisley Joe
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22 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:
Here are some demo videos created 12 years ago when the Territorial Governors were discussing whether to allow that style for Gunfighters:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9YaFWZZ8ZhhWJ963qVL9dO1pkbtw--t7&si=buQh7xWbiNn5OKI-
Good demo.
Thanks!
10 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:We have a fella that does it and he does it carefully and correctly... I hate it! IMO, I think there's too much that can be done wrong at speed.
9 hours ago, High Spade Mikey Wilson said:Not a fan. Too much can go wrong if not done absolutely correctly.
I figure as long as I shoot naked, it will be safe.
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47 minutes ago, Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 said:
Done it, like it and it adds style points. My holsters are straight hang, so thy work either way. Just be sure to practice a lot to make sure that barrel stays pointed the correct direction.
Yeah I need to practice that to be sure.
Seem easier to draw in a way than usual, with long barreled revolvers anyway.
I have fallen in love with 1851 Navy revolvers and similar.Have two cap and ball Navies, two Richards Masons in .38 (stainless), and two open top later models in .45 Colt.
Should I change my handle to "Navy Joe"???
48 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:Or do the dance!
Ha!
I will do the twist!
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4 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:
Twist draw or cross draw, there lies the question!
Twist Draw all the way!
50 minutes ago, Griff said:I sometimes do the cavalry twist draw with my cap guns, mostly to shoot gunfighter. My slim jims are absolutely straight hang. Any rearward cant to the increases the probability of your muzzles pointed uprange... instant DQ I pull up until the guard clears leather, the rotate grips to the rear and complete my draw. Fantásticos puntos de estilo, when done properly. Danged near impossible to re-holster the Patersons tho'!
Me gusta!!!!
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How-DEE!!!
Do any of you do "cavalry draw", like Wild Bill did, and have you found that the angle of the holster matters outside of the standard? I mean, do you find that just putting the left and right hoslters on their opposite hips to work, or do they have a different angle on them?
I am figuring the angle doesn't matter and is just the left/right swap.
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On 12/8/2016 at 5:43 PM, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said:
I really miss Bisley Joe.
Well...
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Just recalled Manatee.
I shot with him down in Okeechobee, and he gave me a spring for the Marlin rifle I had back then.
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5 hours ago, Texas jack Black SASS#9362 said:
Well that did not take long .Told you so.
So, who do you miss, or wonder "where are they now"?
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SASS Alias: Bisley Joe
SASS#: 29738
Where are you from: Cuba, New York, Florida, North Carolina, California, Colorado, Arizona...
How long have I been shooting SASS: Since 2000
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4 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:
The title of this thread is "Where have they gone"... Now it's "Where has the Topic gone".
OK, so let's get it back on track!
Who have you missed dearly, other than me?
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13 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:
Based on some of the comments I'm surprised we don't have fights break out at the matches. Kinda like hockey, throw down your guns and start swinging while the rest of us circle around the scrum. I don't have time for that. I come to these things to get away from conflict, not find it.
At least the thread hasn't degenerated into speaking ill of the dead.....yet.
Most of the flamers are keyboard commandos, and they are a minority. The vast majority of people here are good people.
At matches, I've only met good folks.
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4 hours ago, Texas jack Black SASS#9362 said:
many platforms wind up like fraternities run by a few with moles that will set you up for censorship NOT saying this is so here.
I'd say it WAS like that in the past. Doesn't seem like it now. A good thing.
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8 hours ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said:
Howdy Bisley Joe;
Come up here to Western Canada to shoot !!!
Good to see you back ...
Jabez Cowboy
Jabez Cowboy,
Thank you!
I'd love to shoot up there! Hope to do so one day in the not too distant future!
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I have my opinions about SASS, and they're based on why I joined and the reasons SASS used to list on their description. Namely "to avoid the technical gamesmanship that has ruined other shooting sports". People can disagree or agree, but there's no need to be nasty and try to shut people up, especially when those doing it are jabbering about "freedom" and "the cowboy way" out of the other side of their mouths.
I have found the people in SASS to be a group of the nicest people ever. I've been away because life got in the way, and I hope to get involved a lot soon as possible. I hope we, and others here, can shoot together and have a smoke or a drink someday, because life is just too damned short to waste it on petty hatred over opinions.
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7 hours ago, Texas jack Black SASS#9362 said:
Guide lines now require that we remain somewhat civil.
That's a good thing.
Too bad it wasn't around a few years ago when even those with the responsibility to keep the peace were rousing the mob.
But good to hear. I wonder how it'll stand up to actual "use" though...
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1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:
He passed away...
I'll leave my comments to that...
I had no idea.
May he rest in peace.
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On 12/8/2016 at 7:47 PM, Gold Canyon Kid #43974 said:
Is this a joke? Maybe we have been transported in time to 1 April.
Howdy there, Gold Canyon Kid!
Hope you're doing great!
I'm in Arizona too!
Where do you shoot?
Maybe I can come to a match and say hi! We can even shoot on the same posse!
Is 1 April your birthday?
Yippy ki yay...
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On 12/15/2016 at 9:43 AM, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said:
Longshot Logan , Boston John Doucette and Bisley Joe, miss them all some more than others ...
For Da record I shoot FCD ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Jabez Cowboy
Howdy Jabez Cowboy!
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On 12/9/2016 at 5:12 PM, Tennessee Stud said:
hmmm... you mean the rather, tenaciously persistent and incessant complainer 'bout "two-hand shootin'"?
If that's the poster... ya know... Blackheart... the second-meanest Administrator that has ever been on this site... gave that ol' boy many, many chances to redeem his sorry ways. That ol' boy... Bisley Joe... never did learn nothin. He's kinda like a sex-crazed beagle. Be on this site... man's... gotta get real... humble-like... and be nice. (Justa suggestion for any Phantom-fans out there).
BTW... 2's... you are the fastest big-guy (deceivingly fast)... or anybody else, for that matters... in them videos that I ever seen. Gosh... "WHITE-LIGHTNIN'"!! You sure are somethin', big guy.
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Howdy pard,
Got steered here by someone and got a good laugh.
Still, you know, it isn't very polite to try and demean someone when they're not around to defend themselves. Not very much in the Cowboy Spirit, not to mention not being real "humble-like" or "nice".
Plus it seems the "sex-crazed beagle" types are those keyboard commandos who can't' handle a different point of view without flaming like flaming flamers and calling people silly names, while engaging in mob-tactics, without ever learning how to engage in an intelligent discussion-even disagreement. But I guess that's just how some folks are...
It's all good though. SASS is made up of a VAST majority of absolutely wonderful individuals. Maybe someday we will shoot at the same event and even shake hands.
yippy ki yay...
What's the best lasting gun blue?
in SASS Wire
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Oh, no way would I try it without taking it apart.
I guess I could look into how to do that.
Thanks for the advice though-that would be rather unfortunate!