Still hand Bill
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On 9/5/2026 at 5:16 PM, El Chapo said:
Iowa didn't have 3.2 beer when I was there in 2010-2013 to my knowledge.
Is that a column still in your avatar?
Yes, that was from my 120 gallon still. Ran a distillery for about 4 years.
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10 hours ago, Stump Water said:
I thought North Carolina was the last 3.2 beer holdout, but it's been more than 6-7 years since that changed here.
Colorado had it until it changed about 6 years ago. They actually had two licenses, malt liquor and fermented malt beverage. One was 3.2 the other was higher. Grocery could sell 3.2 and liquor stores could sell higher. Then the law changed by making the definition the same for both. Caused some issues as 3.2 could be sold in locations that didn’t allow liquor stores.
I think Iowa also has 3.2 beer still. I don’t drink it so I never looked, but it was when I was a kid.
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On 8/29/2026 at 7:59 AM, El Chapo said:
I am really curious to try this now. I do like some scotches, they're more of a special occasion thing for me.
Every state's law is different on this because of the 21st Amendment. I was in Colorado recently and surprised to learn that while one can purchase beer/wine in a grocery store, they don't sell liquor other than in liquor stores and some grandfathered-in drugstores.
New Mexico's law for package allows even hard liquor to be sold in gas stations (which surprised me when I moved here), but it is very expensive to open any kind of liquor bar ($800k-$1 million for a license), so we have very few full liquor bars compared to wineries and breweries. They did pass a law a few years ago allowing distilling of craft liquors, but the two craft distilleries we have local make absolutely awful whiskey that even they won't sell for a neat pour.
Colorado law changed 6-7 Years ago. It used to be only 1 liquor license per owner. That’s why all the chain grocery stores didn’t sell anything other than 3.2 beer. Now that is no longer the case and the number of licenses is expanding. Also they changed the definition of fermented malt beverage and malt liquor to be the same, thus no more 3.2 beer at convince/grocery stores. It was interesting to listen to why the laws were the way they are/were. Lots of things originated from late 1800 issues and then prohibition.
Colorado was a friendly state for distillers. You could self distribute and could have two tasting rooms. Made a bit of whiskey.
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36 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:
When I took my first lengthy permit class in a Blue State, the instructor was a "Large" police Sergeant. One of the points he wars trying to make was that you couldn't draw and shoot a charging attacker at close range. He asked for a volunteer and I stepped up - really not fair because I was into fast draw. I drew and "shot" him 3 times before he touched me. He had to slam into me - active 4th Dan at the time, I let him get away with it to get my permit. There was a stairway to my right, and I was sorely tempted.
A good friend who is a high level shooter was doing some training with blue guns. At close range, he could not draw quickly enough, but if he took a step or two back, then he had enough time to draw and empty the magazine. Take away was step back to gain time by converting distance to time.
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When does faa step in to control all this airspace? Also what happens when a drone kills someone on a delivery?
unfortunately due to the drones being being commercial aircraft, skeet with prizes is a bad Idea. It would be fun, but I am sure the feds would be showing up quickly.
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1 hour ago, sassnetguy50 said:
The LGS said he can sell suppressors over the counter to current GOA members on a 4473.
I believe this is why it’s an unworkable solution long term. People are buying suppressors today without a form 4, but only some people. That’s what this injunction allows. Now go even 5 years into the future, how will anyone know which cans require a tax stamp and which ones don’t. I can only hope that so many are sold on a 4473 only that enforcement of the existing tax stamp process is impossible and the nfa requirements for sbr, sbs, and silencers are gone for everyone.
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40 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:
Interesting reception offering. At my wedding back in 81 I had to go to Rhode Island where my wife is from. I got to pick out one item on the menu for the reception. I found frog legs as an option and that was my choice. At the reception it was interesting to hear everyone talk about how good the chicken legs were. LOL We were kept so busy I didn't even get to eat any of them. I don't think anyone let it out that they were frog legs and they went very fast.
TM
It’s interesting that frog is field chicken in Chinese. Found this out one night when our host ordered field chicken instead of chicken. Wasn’t bad, just had smaller bones than chicken.
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2 hours ago, Irish Pat said:
I just read an article that was mainly about suppressors being not under the NFA of 1934 any longer and it mentioned that short barreled rifles and shotguns would now also be no longer under be restricted that ruling. Has any one checked it out? Irish Pat
For some people they are no longer subject to the registration requirements of the nfa. Thus can be purchased with a 4473 vs a form 4. This only applies to the plaintiffs of the case, not everyone. While a good step forward, I don’t believe the current situation is workable long term and will have to be changed.
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2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:
Some deeper questions on trusts are popping up. The NFA trusts are not to "hold" ordinary firearms, only NFA items. My trust does have NFA in the name.
So the questions are if these NFA no longer taxed can even be in a trust, do they need to be transferred out? If so, how? And when (or by when)?
Also learned there is something (someone) called an IOI (Industry Operations Investigator). This is the person who basically audits and guides all records held by any FFL. FFLs really can not be sure of any action until they have IOI guidance.
Provided you are in a state that doesn’t prohibit ownership or requires a tax stamp, and are one of the named groups in the injunction, I think you could simply transfer the previous nfa item to an individual. Since a form 4 is no longer needed, and a person to person doesn’t need a 4473, it’s just a ftf transfer. Still going to be a nightmare for enforcement. I suspect that simple ftf transfers are now allowed by this injunction as well provided both parties are covered. Imho this really is the end of the nfa for silencers and sbrs. There will simply be too many transactions and created items for the atf to fight it in court. even if they want to, they don’t have enough people. Since there is no record of all the new creations and ftf transfers, no way to even know it’s happened and now that the ownership is so common, no one is even going to ask any questions.
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26 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:
JK! Is there an opposing ruling in another district that could help get this before SCOTUS for a nationwide ruling??
There would have to be an opposing ruling for the SC to take this case or that the SC thinks the ruling is wrong. They don’t take cases they agree with. Hence there has to be a circuit split or a ruling they don’t agree with. If they agree with this ruling they will simply let it stand and not take the case.
honestly if this ruling is not appealed it’s going to create a lot of confusion. Some people won’t need a form 4 or form 1 yet other people will? That’s completely unworkable from an enforcement standpoint. As a PSA and SS customer, I potentially no longer need to file a form 1. Even if this is allowed to go on for a day, how can they ever enforce the SBR statute again? I could have created it during that 1 day. Will be hard to prove otherwise. Going to be messy for a while.
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Clays and clay dot as well as red dot and promo are direct weight replacements. They may need different bushings to get the same weights. With light cowboy loads they may be interchangeable as a slight change in weight won’t push pressure to unsafe levels. I would look at a reloading guide and see what pressure your load has. If it’s down in the 6k range vs 9-10k, probably ok to just swap any of those 4 powders.
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The more interesting issue is, if the injunction against the atf stands, can I make a silencer without a form 1? Seems like the answer is yes if I have been a silencer shop customer or a goa member. If that gets overturned later, am I now in possession of an illegal suppressor? SBR isn’t an issue as it can always be converted back to a legal configuration and no longer an SBR.
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3 hours ago, Chantry said:
Glad for the win and I suspect DOJ won't appeal. I do think there a lot of states that will pass laws either banning silencers all together or heavily regulate them.
Currently in Connecticut it's "a pistol with a threaded barrel is usually not legal if it is semiautomatic and takes a detachable magazine" and sellers won't ship to CT.
Centerfire Semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines cannot have a threaded barrel unless it was registered prior to the AWB in 2013
If SBR’s are suddenly unregulated by the atf, what happens when it’s an sbr, not a pistol? I expect that these hardware bans will go down next year once the Supreme Court rules on the awb bans.
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53 minutes ago, Cholla said:
I am slowly reading a book from the early 1980s. In it, he says that some shooters were trying Teflon tape patching instead of paper patching bullets. I have never heard of this, so I assume it never took off. Has anyone done this? @The Original Lumpy Gritz
Probably works fine. Teflon in a thin sheet is temperature resistant, a little soft so it should conform to the rifling. It’s just not a cheap material.
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Why not a cheap AR in 223/556? Put a cheap can on it, still probably under 1k. Feed it with a varmit bullet and it won’t over penetrate.
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I thought this was what placa was supposed to stop?
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Or we could be like China and all be one time zone. I believe China is 5 time zones, but only observes bejing time. I guess you can do that then you have an all controlling government. No thanks. While not perfect, I think what we have is pretty good.
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4 minutes ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said:
These are not that old but I do remember those. That dull look got me in habit of wiping them with something like Ballistol. I actually still do. Not a bad habit.
Yeah turns out the HS was introduced in 01/02, so 25 years ago. Based on that most AA hulls you pick up will be HS style. I know I still find a few originals, but not many. Heck I have Remington peters hulls from the 70’s. Several flats of them.
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19 minutes ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said:
How you know old from new. Bet these I am using were from rebate days but you may be meaning even older.
AA vs AA HS, the plastic looks different. The HS are shiny, the one pc original is more dull. They may also be marked HS depending on vintage. The original AA’s have been out of production for 20 years? You still find some, but usually they are so worn out they are not worth picking up.
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The Remington bulls are the only one piece hull still in production. The gold and green sts are basically the same except for color. The gun clubs are the budget version with steel case heads instead of brass. I use the gun clubs for BP loads as they are so plentiful that I can load and toss. All 3 will load the same as the original one pc AA hulls. I load AA HS with one wad heavier than actual payload for better fit. The AA HS are two pc, tube and base wad.
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39 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:
This whole discussion makes it clear to me that a huge number of our elected officials are way to hell and gone OVERPAID!
Is this in any way what they got elected to do? Isn't there ANYTHING else that deserves more of their time?
They need to show that they do something. Honestly I would rather they do nothing than do something just to say they did something. They also don’t want to solve any real problems as doing so removes the need for them to be in Washington.
the time change is an example of something that’s a compromise. To get nice long evenings in summer and still have a reasonable sunrise time in the winter, you have to switch the location of “noon” in relation to actual 12 noon. There is no way to have both while observing the same “noon” in many parts of the country. Thus we either deal with a time change 2x per year or less evening sunlight in the summer or a later sunrise in the winter. None of the solutions are without issues, thus any solution is a compromise.
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19 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:
Changing time is for the birds. How did we ever live BEFORE we had DST, only Standard Time? The 1700s, 1800s, 1900s were all WRONG? Nope!
Time is NEVER saved, just folks get to stay up later in the summer without an excuse.
good luck, GJ
Time zones came into being in the 1880’s. Before that I believe each town set its own clock with 12 noon being the high point of the sun. Really other than railroads and sun sightings with a sextant, time was not as important to be accurate. Accurate timekeeping is import for mapping and location. the advent of modern timepieces was a huge advancement in technology. There is a book, Longitude, that tells some of this story.
then for railroad watches the crash in 1891 was the beginning of the standard.
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I have never understood the hate for the 1 hr time change. Honestly I think what we have today is about as good as it can get if you live in the northern 1/3rd of the USA. I like sunset after 8:30 in the summer and while 7:30 sunrise sucks, it’s far better than 8:30 as it would be on dst.
I am one of those people who struggles to wake up when it’s dark. Always have. I also have traveled extensively and lived 14 hr time changes every 2-3 weeks. 1 hr is nothing. The fundamental issue is that there simply is not enough hours of daylight to have light before and after a 8+ hr of work in the winter. You get just over 9 hrs of daylight where I live in the winter, that’s it. When the world revolves around a roughly 8-5 schedule that pretty much uses up all that daylight. I don’t care if the sun sets at 4:30 or 5:30, if I leave work at 5 it’s dark when I get home. I do know it’s easier to wake up if it’s light out, so I would rather have any extra daylight in the morning in the winter. Now in the summer when we get 15 hrs of daylight, why not move a hour into the evening. Our current system does this, so why change it?
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Drunk people make bad decisions. Even walking can be problematic. Good friend was a bar tender in college, had a drunk patron one night, so he drove the guy home. Left him at the curb in front of drunk guys house. Friend got woken up by the cops the next morning. Turned out drunk guy fell down the stairs after being dropped off and died. Friend was the last one to see him alive.
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Whiskey?
in SASS Wire Saloon
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We can hope that it gets legalized. Honestly, if they allowed any still up to say 30 gallons for home use, that would self regulate production. Even a 100 gallon still hardly makes enough to cover costs.
For about 10 gallons of beer/wort/wash, you can make about 1 gallon of finished spirits. It also takes no more manpower to run a 30 gallon still vs a 3000 gallon still. The difference is just the cost of the equipment.
I would like to make more spirits just to experiment and share, but until the laws change that’s just a dream.