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  1. Absolutely a first time shooter is assigned an experienced shooter to monitor him from gun cart to loading table, then loading table to firing line. Turned over to TO. Then when done escorted to ULT, cleared and taken back to guncart. Remind them to breath !  Usually they have a big silly looking grin on their face! We stay with them for as many stages (or matches) as needed until they are comfortable with the procedure 

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  2. 14 minutes ago, July Smith said:

    Like a lot of cowboys and cowgirls I have leather covers on my rifle and shotgun.  I don't need them for the recoil but I do like the added traction in the shoulder.  I have noticed the leather has started to get slick and I am probably going to replace them soon. 


    Just wondering if anyone had tried checkering the steel butt pad for a similar amount of traction?  The leather covers do work and if periodically replacing them is necessary than so be it, just curious if there were other options out there.

    Just use sand paper to rough up the leather 

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  3. Just curious, how many of you shoot at clubs that have a LTO? I know what the rules say, but at least where I shoot LTOs are rarely seen.  At most somebody may say “check my pistol” but that’s about it. One club used to insist on dedicated LTO, and only one person loading at a time. They seem to have relaxed that policy over the last couple of years. 

    For the record, Every club I shoot at requires a ULT. often the previous shooter stays to clear the next shooter. 

    I’m curious if this is a regional thing or pretty much everywhere? 

  4. 38 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

    The loading table officer should have ensured that the hammer was down on an empty chamber before allowing him to leave the loading table.



    You are correct. But I can tell you that in the parts of the country I shoot at LTOs are scarce. I dong know if that’s regional to S Texas or not. One club I shoot at used to insist on an LTO, only one person loading at a time. They seem to have relaxed that policy tho. And I’m not saying an LTO is a bad thing, I’m just talking g how it is where I shoot. Some shooters will ask another to “check my pistols” but that’s about it. I do try to look at everybody’s rifle hammer while at the table to make sure they are down. 

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  5. 2 hours ago, Johnny Swan, SASS #50322 said:

    OK, first I apologize, I just got home from work and opened up this conversation to find that I could have stopped this had I been more specific in my post. 

    Yes, the shooter walked to the line with gun holstered on an empty chamber. He pulled his 2nd pistol, opened the loading gate on his Ruger Vaquero and indexed the cylinder so he could place a round in the empty chamber. He closed the gate and fired 6. 

    i called it a no call, and based on what I have read, it appears that I was correct. 


    That’s  the call! Never mind phantom and I. We would argue over what day of the week it is! 

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  6. Ok phantom, Please answer this question and this question only:


    shooter comes to line from loading table with revolver  loaded with 5 Rounds. Opens the gate. (No cylinder movement) empty chamber under the gate. Is there a penalty? 

  7. 8 minutes ago, twelve mile REB said:

    Dead topic; some people get their kicks giving or seeing penalties given some people don't.  So without a Foolproof method of determining the actual position of cylinder in question for myself and the caveman/stump it's just not a no call but something not even to be considered.

    Assistant caveman/stump signing off     

    To be clear, I don’t get my kicks issuing penalties. Just answering a what if call. And I think it’s easy to determine the cylinder position in this case. Just ask the shooter if he rotated it. 

  8. 15 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    Wow... First a "caveman", and now a "stump". Very Cowboy of you.


    Here's the question at hand as stated in the OP: Some felt that it was no longer on an empty chamber while others felt that it was in hand, down range and on the clock. What’s the call?


    Do tell how your concerns regarding the rotating (or lack of), of the cylinder is relevant to this specific question.

    So far (at least) I haven’t gone 



    On you.  (Yet :P.)

    I think it’s relevant if he turned the cylinder or not. In the OP, it said he opened gate, inserted round in Empty chamber.no mention of rotating cylinder.  If he had 5 loaded, and pistol was properly indexed, then the empty chamber would be under the hammer. So unless he rotated the cylinder it had a live round under hammer. Clearly a rule violation. I’m not sure how I can be much clearer. 

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  9. Only time I‘ve ever needed a backup rifle is when I did not bring it with me. Has happened twice! Now I always bring one, sometimes leave it in truck, but generally try to shoot it at least one stage. 
    I don’t have pistol backups. I shoot Rugers. Dang near indestructible! 
    my shotgun is a Baikal also built like a tank. And my traveling Pard shoots the exact same shotgun, so we could just use the others if either of ours fails. 

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  10. 1 minute ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    I'll try not be insulting to you... But if every minute detail that isn't relevant to the issue at hand is required (as you and your esteemed friend Abilene would indicate it is), WTC questions would be pages long.


    I welcome your intellectual challenges if that's what you desire. See if you can hold your own with a "caveman"... You to Abilene.

    I kinda think the position of the empty chamber is relevant. But I know arguing with you is like arguing with a stump.

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  11. 9 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    You're reading something into the OP that isn't there... For I, and anyone with any manual dexterity can open a gate and have an empty chamber (not cylinder), aligned for the insertion of a sixth round. We did it quite often before your time in SASS.


    You desperately want the OP to indicate that there was a live round under the chamber... Which isn't part of this discussion... totally irrelevant to the topic...



    I read the OP exactly as posted. But, I’ll try to make it so simple even a caveman could understand it. 
    if shooter opened gate, manipulated cylinder to put empty chamber in gate, no call. 
    if shooter opened gate, empty chamber was in way of gate, (without moving cylinder) it’s a SDQ. 

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  12. 3-4 are plenty. Need one for rifle reload, 1 for the occasional high primer or dropped where you can’t reach it round at LT.  2 more because you forgot to replace them when used! 

    my first belt had about 20. Took 2 matches for me to realize I did not want to lug all that around with me all day!  For the same reason I put my pistols in cart holsters between stages. 

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  13. 18 minutes ago, twelve mile REB said:

    Read the question.  The shooter had already shot one pistol and had drawn the other to engage targets and then reloaded.  No movement other than drawing, opening the gate, rotating the cylinder and inserting a round.  No movement no staging no leaving the shooters hand.

    If that’s what he did, no call. But OP does not say anything about rotating the cylinder. Just says opened gated and dropped one in empty chamber


    opens the loading gate, drops a round in the open chamber and shoots 6

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  14. 5 minutes ago, twelve mile REB said:

    Read, learn


    If having a pistol in hand with a loaded round under the hammer is a stage DQ then NO ONE COULD EVER FIRE A SHOT without a DQ

    Not talking about firing the shot, talking about moving with round under hammer 


    Safe Conditions During a Course of Fire – Revolvers
    Revolvers are considered SAFE for movement (in hand, while holstering, or while moving through a stage) and SAFE to leave the shooter’s hand in the following conditions ONLY:
    - Hammer fully down on an empty chamber.
    - Hammer fully down on an expended round. A revolver may not be originally
    staged in this condition, but may be restaged in this condition.

  15. 7 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    Talk about reading too much into the post. You know the point of the question, why muddy it up?


    Anyone can have a live round under the hammer of yer pistols. Just don't move around when you do.



    Well, as the OP reads, unless he teleported from the loading table To the stage, he moved with gun with live round under hammer. 

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  16. On the rare pistol reload, I shoot one, open the gate, drop one in the empty cylinder, close the gate and shoot 5. 

    In the OP, if all he did was open the gate after drawing, and there was an empty cylinder there, then he had a live round under hammer. SDQ 

  17. 22 minutes ago, Hellbender said:

    Thank you Hoss!  And you made a very good point too!


    It was good to see you again at the TX State (watch out, one of these day's I'm going to beat you at a pocket pistol side match - in my dreams!).  I look forward to seeing you again at Defend the Fort in November.

    Looking forward to shooting at he fort. One of my favorite places! 


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