COLORADO JACKSON
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On 7/3/2017 at 8:56 PM, Kirk James said:
While I am in favor of total time, I want to congratulate all the champions of rank point matches. I believe rank pt matches are very strategic in knowing how to shoot them and can understand their challenge. Just to help those that are having a tough time understanding the problem shooters have with rank points, I want to share the difference between two stages and times at EOT. On stage 7 a score of 21.18 had 199 rank pts. On the same stage a 5+/- second faster score of 16.17 had 36 rank points. In the 5 second difference there were 163 shooters who shot between the 5 second difference equaling 163 rank pts. On stage 6 a score of 31.41 had 200 rank pts. while a 5 second faster score of 26.38 had 88 rank pts, there was a 112 pt difference. A miss, fumbled shotgun reload, rifle jam cost more on stage 7 than stage 6 costing the shooter 51 more rank pts. A championship won in the 1990's is just as hard to win as championship win in 2017. While I know there is more to it than this one illustration, I hope it helps understand the differences in opinions.
EXACTLY!!
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On 7/3/2017 at 5:46 PM, Marauder SASS #13056 said:
Just because a system is complicated, doesn't make it wrong.
But you are correct in that there are problems with Rank scoring. And it does not work well at all for smaller matches. Just too many holes.
Rank is no different in small matches versus large matches, it is not a complicated system, very easy to score. The smartest thing I have heard stated in this debate is "If you score a match with two different methods and end up with different results, one of them is wrong", The largest problem with rank is it punishes shooters differently who commit the same error. EX: One shooter may get 50 rank points for a miss on a stage, another shooter might get 95 rank points for a miss on the same stage, how is this correct?
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Nothing to see here John. Ignore Deuce (he drinks alone)
This is funnier!
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If the cylinder is sjipping bolt notches it's a new model.......
This is funny
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A buddy of mine had an Elmer Fudd hunt at his deer lease this year, and the requirement was you had to use older style lever or pump guns, no optics, I watched his father in law shoot a nice deer at 125 yds with one of those dang Lightning pump rifles in 45 Colt. One shot....dead where it stood, never would have believed it if I had not seen it with my own eyes!
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This is a good read, but realize the portion on coated bullets was written a year and a half ago, although there was great information on coated bullets in the article. The three major concerns with the bullets are correct.
1. The number one requirement from the manufacturer is that the coating must be applied properly to get good results, I ordered coated bullets from a dozen or so casters when I started wanting to shoot coated bullets, and all were different quality, some good some bad.
2. Care must be taken in the reloading process to load any bullets including the lead, plated or coated bullets. Seating and crimping in two different operations is good advice, like Dillon does with the 550 and the 650.
3. Accuracy...The owner of Cimarron is an avid IDPA and USPSA shooter, when I introduced him to the cowboy bullet offerings,he graciously bought the molds to start loading cowboy bullets right away, they are now his biggest seller, he took the 105 38 Poly Coated Hy-Tek bullet he coated and shot them out of a Ransom Rest at 50 yds, with a 5 inch revolver and they shot a 1 1/2 inch group at 50 yds, he was amazed, said it was the best group that gun had ever shot, he was use to more like a 4 inch group using a plated bullet at the same distance. So done properly, the Hy-Tek coated bullets I would say are pretty accurate.
Not to sound like Cimarron is the only good bullet caster, there are many, he is very good at what he does, and very knowledgeable on the product he sells, and priced very competitively, I would suggest to anyone to try the coated bullets with an open mind, you will not be disappointed.
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Howdy,
I am starting to accumulate a hefty collection of holster rigs. How do you cowboys and cowgirls hang or store your rigs when not using them? I'm looking for ideas on how to hang 6 rigs on the wall. If anyone does this, pictures would be much appreciated.
Here's a picture of my gun room. I'm looking to hang them just to the left of the cabinets on the wall. Sorry it's not a closer picture.
Thanks
Raging Thunder
Where did you get that small cabinet behind that Mec shotgun press, I could use one of those in my gunroom...very nice and way to neat!
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The Cowboy bullets he has in Candy Apple,(looks like maroon metallic), and Gunmetal (looks like dark lead bullet), and his standard color is the copper-rust you see on the website, I have several shooters in OK using them. Would be glad to send you some samples.Colorado Jackson,
What colors do they have? Their website doesn't say. I would like to find someone that has multiple colors in Oklahoma to try them. I use the bullet tubes for my Hornady LNL with lead bullets and for the most part works just have have to use a cleaning rod once in a while. But these would be the cats meow. have to find some 32's for Kat's and granddaughters 32 Rugers.
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I just visited the Cimarron Bullets website. Sadly I don't see .45 cal 200gr RNFP. Only .45 listed are .45 ACP.
I do have 1,000+ Chey-Cast coated bullets to load up. My brother has loaded a bunch and says he likes them.
What about when we are scavenging lead from the range and we find coated bullets. Any issues with melting them down and using the lead? Dangerous/toxic off-gassing of the coating(s)?
He does have that bullet available, it is just not on the site yet, available in several colors, I have some with me I would gladly give you some samples, my samples are the gun metal color
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in my experience the positives have not outweighed the negatives so I will continue to shoot and produce a traditionally lubed bullet that has served me very well for 15 years of CAS shooting. Try them and see they may just be the bees knee for you but they were not for me.
Deuce we will talk at WR, I will make you a believer my friend! Over drinks of course....
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If you ask really really nice Colorado Jackson might even deliver them.
Cimarron Bullets does and excellent job maintaining a consistent coating his bullets. Stopped by his shop to pick up a special order and he gave me the 25 cent tour. His production process pretty much ensures a consistently repeatable high quality product.
Yes i will, I always have 10 or 12k with me and will deliver to any range I shoot at or can meet anywhere in the metroplex......no charge!
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When I see a cartridge with a red bullet, looks more like a girls lipstick tube. I believe this has been done years back. It is more colorful, doesn't match my colors
I hope it remains a good thing, if it was a bit greenish
I sell the Hi-Tek Super Coat bullets for Cimarron Bullets in Wylie, Tx, he bought a special color called "Gunmetal" for Cowboy bullets and it looks just like a lead bullet but is coated. Sell thousands of that color to local shooters, they really like them, cant tell they are coated, you should try them.
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But the new Hi-Tek Super Coat is a great coating and there is no downside to shooting them, much easier on the guns
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Powder coating and poly-coating are completely different animals, both are coated bullets, two very different materials
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Inline Fab makes great products, I have many of them, they are all quality.
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I just started wet tumbling, and I do deprime before cleaning, prolly wont everytime but every so often I will, brass is much cleaner wet tumbling
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I have got to get one of these...great work
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Very sorry for your loss, he knows he left behind two great kids, prayers for the whole family....CJ
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Congrats to them both, and free lessons are out!!
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Cant believe this is still around
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Diablo needs this thing badly.....do it, do it, do it!
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Free Phantom!!!!!
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Would black hawks fit in this rig?
Heck yes they would!
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This is shaping up to be a great match, I think there is close to 70 shooters pre-registered, come on down south and have some fun, sound like a lot of prizes to be given away, maybe even a Yeti Cooler.....
If Rank Points Are Truly Here To Stay
in SASS Wire
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I have never heard a valid argument for rank points that made sense, after reading this, I have still never heard a valid argument that made sense....