Marauder SASS #13056
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One political party calls that "progress."
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The recoil is related to momentum so Momentum = mass X velocity.
So a heavy bullet will definitely recoil more than a lighter bullet at the same velocity.
For cowboy, the velocities are generally around 600 - 700 f/s. And limited in pistols to less than 1000 f/s but we generally only keep a few loads in case we have to shoot heavier knockdown targets. (And most clubs make sure a 22 round will drop them, but just in case.)
So a 105 bullet at 650 f/s will have significantly less felt recoil (30%). And 125 will also feel a lot less. But felt recoil is somewhat is not easily measured (without a lot of work & some equipment.)
(Remember that the recoil is normally more rotation for us than push back. More rotation = more time to return to target).
Best is what feels best for you.
Side note: Many years ago at a State match they didn't have as good of targets as they do now. I was in a shoot off so I had some 160 grain bullets loaded at about 950 f/s. Several were hard to knock down, but one target hardly moved as I hit it. I know I was in trouble. Only heavier 44 and 45 caliber pistols could knock it down - and not always. Shooters saw that and quickly forced their competition to shoot on that side of the set up.
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Not Johnny or have his expertise, but the Russia guns are generally hand fit.
So switching the cocking arm MAY be valid or may not, depending on if they are similar sized.
I would compare the two and see if there is more wear on the left one.
If the left cocks with the "right' arm, you likely validated the issue. but then see how the "left" one does on the right side to see if the problem moved over. I'm not sure of the availability of parts for these. Start with Remington and go to
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/baikal/shotguns-baikal/side-by-sides/izh43-2
They have some parts but all in stock.
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I remember having reloads on stages. (We polished our cylinders and "took the edge" off the back of the cylinders to greatly help.)
For most it was very discouraging. We don't want discouraged shooters.On a side note:
I was on the posse with Single Action Jackson and he was amazing. After shooting five, his shells quickly fell to the ground like rain drops. Then five reloads appeared to quickly fall from his hand into the cylinder and ready to fire. It was wonderful to watch.
He went to a big match (Hell on wheels maybe) where they had shoot offs for top shooters. They required a reload. He blew everyone away and won by 10 - 15 seconds.
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Another great one gone.
May the Lord comfort his family.
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It was on a Thursday, as I recall....
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Being a "middle of the road" shooter, I would say target 1 is in the middle. . .
Now I'm SO confused about that sweep!
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The rifle is most likely "out of time" thus bending the bolt tab. You need someone to check and adjust the time as well as replace the bolt tab. Since in the North West, you may check with local folks or Pioneer Gun Works
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11 hours ago, Hells Comin said:
All my Comin at Cha buckles have the class on them.
But some folks have no class. . .
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Griff, Lone Star is where I first shot SASS. Great times.
I remember folks sitting around after the match swapping stories about their alias, etc.
My schedule didn't allow me to shoot there too often until they moved.
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The website has been updated to show the 2023 photos. They look Great!
Be sure to do a REFRESH (F5 or the little circle symbol) on your browser to see the latest!
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Fond memories! Thanks!
I was in the Wartrace picture!
I remmeber when CVV was just starting but I had to move abut then, but I got to shoot there a few times.
And of course remember the Magnificent 7 for here in Georgia.
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52 minutes ago, COLORADO JACKSON said:
I have never heard a valid argument for rank points that made sense, after reading this, I have still never heard a valid argument that made sense....
Sometimes that say a lot...
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37 minutes ago, COLORADO JACKSON said:
Rank is no different in small matches versus large matches, it is not a complicated system, very easy to score. The smartest thing I have heard stated in this debate is "If you score a match with two different methods and end up with different results, one of them is wrong", The largest problem with rank is it punishes shooters differently who commit the same error. EX: One shooter may get 50 rank points for a miss on a stage, another shooter might get 95 rank points for a miss on the same stage, how is this correct?
As a student of statistics, sampling and measurement, it does make a difference in the impact, although not the process.
The number of shooters defines the index or sampling for the accuracy of the system. Just as a valid sampling is needed for a poll. So the larger the sample, the more accurate the measurement.
If you are in a gun fight close up, misses are much more dangerous to you than if you are at 20 yards - because your opponent is much less likely to miss at close range than further out. . So it is entirely appropriate for the impact of a miss or mistake to vary, depending on the circumstance. For example, if you stumble and lose 5 seconds in a race.. If it is a sprint, that stumble has a MUCH larger impact than in a longer run. Are you saying that is not fair?
Similarly, if you fumble on the 2 yard line in football, it normally is much worse than fumbling at mid-field. Should football change it's scoring to make that more fair?
In a rank point match, it is important to beat out as many people as you can on each stage. So if it is a fast stand and deliver, a miss will hurt you much more because many more shooters will beat you. That is fair - they beat you.
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And if you try using rank within category, it is a total mess. You need a large sampling to provide an adequate index for a good measurement.
Since the old gunfights didn't have categories, they lumped everyone together, just like rank does now.
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Just because a system is complicated, doesn't make it wrong.
But you are correct in that there are problems with Rank scoring. And it does not work well at all for smaller matches. Just too many holes.
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Sorry, but I don't agree and you already demonstrated that you see a symptom of rank while missing how it is actually scored.
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You are only comparing two shooters, is that is all that is in the match. You are actually "cherry picking" in your example and leaving out everyone else that shot the match. I realize this is common misunderstanding and complaint about rank.
Rank scoring is about how many shooters you beat out for each stage - that includes everyone. Your example is missing the understanding of how rank is done.
You are pointing out what bothers many, but not how the match is scored.
Is not the Super bowl is determined by the number of times you cross the goal line - not how many yards you gained in the game. The first is like of rank, the second is more like total time.
Similarly, baseball is how many Runs you get, not how many hits.
In both these cases, the yards and hits will not matter unless you finish the defined goal.
There are issues with rank scoring such as when someone far out shoots the rest but only gains 1 rank point for a major win. That happened to several top shooters over the years - although they often still won the match.
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1 hour ago, Redwood Kid said:
Not exactly. With rank scoring, it's not only possible, but highly probably to win the match but lose 5, 6, 7, 8, and even 9 individual gunfights. It's far less likely with total time.
Do you understand Rank scoring?
Your answer would indicate that you do not.
In either system, you do not have to win all the "gunfights", but in rank it means you won more than those who scored lower than you did.
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On 6/29/2017 at 2:53 PM, Blackey Cole said:
Total time is a sprint rank points is a marathon
Have to generally agree.
Total time is more of a sprint as you can go as fast as you can since misses, while having some impact, generally will not hurt you as badly as in a rank point match. So the two do have to be shot slightly differently. That is one of the reasons many do not rank.
With Rank, it is how many gunfights did you win.
WIth total time, it is not how many fights you won but more about how much you won on those that you won.
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I ordered a few thousand coated bullets. They looked great, but I noticed that 5% or so slid into the brass too far. SO I measured and although the top of the bullet was .358, the bottom may be below .350.
So I contacted the maker. He checked into it and found that one of his molds was messed up. He thanked me for letting him know and sent me 500 bullets to make up for it.
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That's okay, Von.
Someone has to keep me honest
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Yes, Von, 125 JHP bullets were available, but did you notice I was not talking about that. I was talking about Lead bullets.
Maybe someone some where made 125 grain Lead bullets, but I sure could not find them. As I mentioned, I had to order the 138 grain bullets from about 1000 miles away because that was the only source I could find then.
And JHP's were not allowed since before I started SASS.
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