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Captain Bill Burt

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  1. 2 hours ago, Flying W Ramrod said:

    If the shooter is wearing a mask, there is no reason for the TO to be wearing one. If the shooter is not wearing a mask, the question is moot.

    The only reason I see for a TO to be wearing a mask is because they want to, or a pard asks them to.  I could see a shooter wearing a mask when not shooting, taking it off to shoot, but asking the TO to wear a mask.  I would have no problem with that.  Fogged up eye protection is a pain, and could be a safety hazard.

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  2. 1 hour ago, T-Square said:

    @Captain Bill Burt

    I have more than five pairs of Ruger Old Armies, and a gunbelt with four matching holsters - that you can borrow ........if you eat more (size 42).


    Let's just go to the range one afternoon and give it a try.  We could set up one bay and practice.


    It might not be wise, with all the World Champions on the Georgia circuit, to experiment with JW........during a match ....while they are getting their game on.


    And did I hear a motion to dis-allow gun carts, or just those modern metal gun cart......what we gunna use....a unicorn ?  This is fantasy right? (sarcasm added for humor)

    I would love to shoot a pair of your Old Armies, though I might need to hang a pair of your holsters on MY belt. It would take an infinite amount of time in the gym and about 100 lbs to be able to wear a 42.

  3. 1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:


    SO.  Because you own 4 matching Strong Side and Cross Draw, and prefer to shoot with a Shotgun, you think it a good thing to legislate 5 handguns out to exclude the folks who like to play the game with 5 handguns??  Kind of self aggrandizing aren't ya??  Normal match, stage the rifle.  Josey Wales, stage the handguns.  Normal match, stage the Shotgun.  Josey Wales, stage the handgun as shotgun.  What's the difference??  Except your opinion??


    If you really wanna push the Josey Wales button, how about you trade in those SASS special Suppository shooters for a pair of Walkers??  And a an 1851 and an 1849.  Shoot Josey ALL Cap Guns.  Been there, done that.  5 Cap Guns.  It was super FUN.  I would not however, be so crass as to suggest that everyone shoot Cap Guns.


    Nice Vid by the way.

    Well pilgrim, there's a lot to 'unpack' in that post.


    First, thanks for the compliment for the vid.


    I do not own 4 matching holsters.  I own a Rod Kibler set of Butt Kickers for NMV, and I own a set of RK straight drop holsters for OMV, which I keep around to loan out to the occasional new shooter.  I simply swapped sides with the Butt Kickers and put them in front of the OMV holsters.


    I like the idea of Josey Wales as an approved category because that would hopefully mean more opportunities to shoot that way.  I would also like for it to be approved in a way that didn't place any additional requirements on Match Directors, or create dissension with other shooters.


    I'm not looking to exclude anyone, but taking the JW category mainstream with five revolvers is going to present challenges, one is that there will be people who don't want that category eligible for the overall because the fifth pistol would presumably be loaded.  Another issue will be when you have six shotgun stages, or the occasional 8 shotgun stage. What about shotgun flyers?  We have ranges where a round over the berm is a MDQ, but that doesn't apply to shotguns. 


    How do we resolve this if the JW shooter is using something other than shotgun?


    With respect to the holsters, my concern is directed more towards the fact that most of the ranges where I've heard of JW being offered MANDATED that the second set of pistols be staged on a table.  Just personal preference for me, I would rather have them holstered.  If holstered or staged on a table were optional that would be fine with me.


    I'm rather proud of my Jimmy Spurs SASS pistols, they shoot very well.  I'm also pretty happy with my wife's Single Six 32s.  I see no need to trade them in on any of the guns you suggested.  If you recall, I suggested that any SASS legal main match gun be acceptable.


    I think the debate is probably of little value anyway as I don't believe there is much interest in a Josey Wales category anyway, unfortunately.

  4. 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said:

    Somebody had a pair of Walkers or Dragons in shoulder holsters.  There was a video. But the angle was all wrong to see how he pulled them out safely.  I'd like to see that demonstrated.  




    I've got an old video of me doing transitions with four holsters.  Regular strong and weak side holsters with one LS crossdraw and one RS crossdraw inside them, but still separated by a fist.  I started with the LS crossdraw, then regular strong side holster, then RS crossdraw and finally regular weakside holster.  Not too tough.  I can't find it so I just did another one.


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  5. 9 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

    I don’t recall that he had a gun cart either. I’m  not sure what your point is. 


    8 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:


    PLUS ONE too Abilene Slim


    Kindly try and remember this is a "Fantasy Game" and Josey Wales is a "Fantasy Side Match."

    I'm well aware of that.  I mentioned the use of a shotgun and the Warden 'shot that down' because he doesn't recall JW using a shotgun.  If his fantasy interpretation can include staging pistols, which JW never did, then mine can certainly include using a shotgun, which JW also never did.

  6. 3 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:


    Adding two more holsters would be cost prohibitive for me as I would only shoot Josey Wales once a year. 

    I don't recall Josey Wales shooting a shotgun.  Maybe a single shot rifle shot at a gong out a ways?

    Black powder or sub. 


    Otherwise, I rather Josey Wales be left unofficial to allow shooters a better chance to come up with a combination that will work.  

    I don’t recall Josey Wales staging pistols on a table. I do remember him carrying all of them, in holsters.

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  7. I wish it were a "real category".  I envision it as 


    1. Four pistols, all holstered. (to me staging the second set is just not appealing, takes away the whole Josey Wales flavor)

    2. Shotgun as normal.

    3. Must be shot 'double duelist' or gunfighter.

    4. Any SASS legal main match revolvers.

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  8. I like the stories (usually) and if I remember the line or it’s posted I’ll say it with conviction. If I don’t remember I’ll ask the TO. More often than not he doesn’t remember either in which case I’ll  typically say either ‘I work for Mel Brooks’ ‘Dyin ain’t much of a living boy’ or ‘Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie.’ 

    I rarely use ‘shooter ready,’


    The presence, or lack, of stories and lines has no impact on my desire to shoot any particular match.

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  9. On 7/31/2020 at 9:04 PM, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

    Seems like nowadays the shooters are more concerned about how fast they can shoot the stage and win their category, or the match, and be a "STAR" than what the match is all about.  Most of the newby fast shooters have no idea who Hoppy, Gene, Roy, Dale, Gabby or any other of our heroes were.  It's all about winning a trophy or a buckle and have bragging rites.  The old days of CAS are gone.  It's no longer a "Social Event Interrupted By Gunfire".  

    It’s been my experience that people with this perspective aren’t particularly fast shooters (nothing wrong with that) who, rather than simply enjoying the aspects of the game that appeal to them, feel the need to vilify shooters who actually work to improve their skill set and value winning.


    They cry and complain about how the game has changed. They whine about gamers ruining the game, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that their poor attitude and sour grapes are the antithesis if what CAS should be.


    They have met the enemy, and the enemy is them.

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  10. Someone else may have mentioned this already, but I didn't see it.  A big factor in selecting a SD handgun is grip fit and sight acquisition.  When you're punching it out does the front sight naturally come up into your plane of vision, or are you searching for it?


    Last night the family and I walked down to the lake to see if we could see the comet (no luck, cloudy).   While they were playing around on the beach it occurred to me that I hadn't seen my night sights in a while.  I use XS big dot tritium on my Colt Commander.  Being careful to keep my finger off the trigger and the gun pointed into the woods. I did a punch out, slowly.  Sure enough, in the pitch black, there is that big glowing front sight coming up followed shortly by the rear sight.



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  11. On 7/26/2020 at 11:47 AM, McCandless said:

    How many who argue with the spotters calling a miss will argue with them calling a hit on one you thought you missed?  Calls go both ways.

    As TO I’ve overruled a shooter who argued that he had a miss . I told him all three spotters called him clean and he wasn’t a spotter so he didn’t get an opinion.

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  12. 12 minutes ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said:

    Alabama has 20% of the adult population holding a concealed carry permit (the highest percentage in the nation) and there's a push in the Senate for permitless carry.


    If there's 5 people in a gas station in Alabama, the percentages say at least one of them is armed.

    I haven't noticed a lot of Antifa activity in either Alabama or Georgia.  hmmm...

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  13. 2 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

    The latest info, year old, that I've seen is around 125,000 permits in Ca.  I wouldn't go by what someone at a gun store told me without investigating further.

    LOL.  Georgia has over a million permits out, with a population of 10.6 million, so basically one out of ten. California has a population of 39.5 million, so about one out of 316 people has a permit.  On top of that, you don't need a permit to have a loaded gun in your car in Georgia, so there are quite a few people who do that without the permit.  I would hazard a guess that on the road in Georgia more than 2 of 10 cars have loaded guns in them. 

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  14. Others have said it.  Reliability, familiarity, capacity, caliber, conceal-ability.  They all matter to varying degrees with different people.  For me the ability to conceal is least important and reliability is first, closely followed by familiarity and caliber. 


    I've been shooting 1911s for over 40 years, they fit my hand like an extension of myself, so that's what I carry.  Open carry is legal in Georgia, with a license, so I don't worry to much if I occasionally print or flash. 


    In a perfect world I would have a phalanx of bodyguards armed with ARs, shotguns, rocket launchers, etc.  Until that happens I'll make do with a 1911.

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  15. On 7/26/2020 at 10:03 PM, bgavin said:

    I figure sooner or later, we will have a Fort Sumter moment... which will kick it off.
    I figure it will be in the South first.

    I think you may be right.  Things are escalating and spreading.  Come November, about half the country is going to be mad as hell.  Those rioting will continue rioting because now they're madder than ever, or they're going to continue rioting because they know the new Boss isn't going to do anything about it.

    The good news is most of them are idiots, like this dead guy.


    I don't know if any of you were following the Not F***ing Around Coalition when they marched through DeKalb County Georgia a few weeks ago, but they had a similar march in St. Louis recently and three people ended up shot.  All of the wounded were NFAC members who were accidentally shot by one of their own during their weapons 'safety check' prior to the march.


    One of their leaders spoke later and said. "We had an accident.  It happens."



  16. Two self defense encounters so far in my life.  In both I was carrying a semi-auto,  Colt 1911 the first time, Mossberg 930 the second time.  Back then, with only one assailant, I would have felt just fine with a wheel gun. 


    Sharyn carries one, for the exact reasons Phantom and Bob mentioned.  I have one, but as a back up, it's only primary when I'm fishing. 


    Today, with 'protestors' who are 'mostly peaceful' I would not like to depend upon a wheel gun and the potential need to reload it under fire. 


    That wheel gun is fine and dandy, until it's time to reload.  Once that happens it becomes exponentially harder to use than a semi.  Think about the fine motor skills and the sequence of actions required to reload a wheel gun, speed loaders or not, compared to dropping a mag and sticking another one in. 



  17. 6 hours ago, Alpo said:

    I do every winter.


    Can't do it during the summer. Hard to hide that 1911 under a t-shirt.


    He didn't say diddly about a revolver. He said single action. B)

    Year round here. Try a t shirt with a Hawaiian shirt over it. I can carry my Colt Commander and two spare magazines without anyone noticing.


    Typically I carry the Colt or a S&W Model 37 (if I’m fishing), with whichever one I’m not carrying in the car as backup. With the current craziness I’m thinking I need to go with a short barreled collapsible stock AR15 in the car as backup.

    I used to think there weren’t many SD problems I couldn’t solve with 25 rounds of .45 Hydra-Shok. If I have to drive into Atlanta I’m thinking 90 rounds of .556 could be needed.


    Sharyn also carries a S&W Model 37. She cocks the hammer on it just as she does with her cowboy guns. That gives her a nice, short crisp trigger pull.



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  18. 4 minutes ago, McCandless said:


    The shooter is then invited to leave the match with an MDQ for belligerent conduct.

    We don't argue with the spotters.  Period.

    Just like arguing with an umpire over balls and strikes.

    I like the part where they start kicking dirt on each other.

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  19. 24 minutes ago, Waimea said:

    Pick your battles, Men.

    Wearing a mask does NOT equal "compliance".

    No more than not wearing a mask shows how Freedom Loving you are.

    I believe there will be battles ahead where you will be able to choose either of the above.






    I agree. Come November it’s going to get ugly no matter who wins.

    Different kinds of ugly, but I don’t see either side getting reconciled with what the other has in mind.


    Rioting and mayhem, or the erosion of civil rights and whatever follows that. Pretty much a guarantee we get one or the other.

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