Captain Bill Burt
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This sure was a fun match! Great stages, great people, great weather!
Congratulations to Groundhog! Match winner and SC State Champion. Also congratulations to Sue Render SC Lady Champion.
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On 4/11/2024 at 4:15 PM, Tennessee williams said:
I wouldn't worry about Widder winning any speed shotgun this year. He said he's barely getting the 5th shell in by the 3 second mark.
I don’t think he’s lost that much speed. He’s probably shucking the 5th hull at the 3 second mark
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Hi Doc,
I shipped them to Snake Oil and a little less than two weeks later he shipped them to Jimmy. Jimmy is in the middle of Maple Syrup season (I got a free Maple Syrup sampler shipped with the guns!) so it took him a bit longer than usual, but I would say a little less than 5 weeks later I had them in hand.
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There was a thread about octagon barrels a while back and several folks asked me to post pictures of mine when I got them back so here they are.
I'm very happy with these. They're Ruger Single Sixes with the longer OMV grip frames, Snake Oil George 5 inch octagon barrel with brass sights, Jimmy Spurs full race package with extra set back triggers and custom base pins. I also added some nice aftermarket grips.
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LOL. Just can't let it go can you.
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When I lost my famine insurance the gentleman who built my rig offered to modify it. I told him that if he did I would surely gain that padding right back so please make a new belt for me.
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1 minute ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
Hypotheticals aside... is the horse dead yet???
Probably not. There certainly isn't a consensus with some calling misses, some calling Ps, some calling both and some calling clean.
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15 minutes ago, Barry Sloe said:
So, with your logic - if I am shooting a plate rack, 6 knock downs, my first shot hits the frame and all the targets go down. I'm done with the plate rack and just dump the other loads? Not where I've been shooting. You shoot where the target(s) were at, then dump the extra rounds.
BS
If it's a plate rack, and all targets are down, shouldn't you be putting the remaining rounds on a static (dump) target? I've never seen a single shot drop six targets on a plate rack. I have seen someone hit the rack and drop two or three targets. In that case, remaining rounds go on the dump target, shooting where the plates were will give you misses.
I did once shoot the smallest plate on a tombstone rack, knock it down only to have it immediately bounce back up, shoot it again downing it only to have it bounce back up, at which point I said 'that target is down!' and moved to the dump target with the remaining rounds. I think everyone on the posse enjoyed that more than I did.
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I haven't criticized the stage writing nor do I intend this post as a criticism, but since the question was asked I'll give some thoughts.
The way this stage was written leaves the door open to some creative approaches.For example, what if the shooter draws his pistol(s) and knocks down four pistol targets, then with the next four rounds knocks down several rifle targets (intentionally or not, only the shooter would know). Maybe a round or two go into the berm. The ninth pistol round knocks down the remaining pistol target and the tenth round hits the dump target. The shooter is now faced with less than 10 standing rifle targets and has 10 rounds to engage them. At the end of the stage when questioned the shooter says that he was trying to hit that last pistol target and inadvertently hit several rifle targets.
I appears to me that the stage writer's intent was for the shooter to have 10 rifle rounds to engage 10 rifle targets, but in this case the shooter has a margin of error to get through the stage clean. I think most of us would conclude that the shooter willfully shot the stage in a manner other than intended and did it to gain an advantage, but could we call a SOG and make it stick?
I wouldn't write a stage this way for a variety of reasons, but if asked to 'correct' it such that a shooter couldn't do that I would insert a statement saying pistol rounds that hit a rifle target earn the shooter a P. That would over ride SASS rules stating that such an occurrence is a miss and prevent cheating (hopefully).
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Here’s an example of Fast Eddie magic.
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Hide the women and children it’s party time!
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He hasn’t had it yet. His doctor and I are talking Monday to schedule it.
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The check is in the mail. I'm traveling alone this time. The Iron Cowboy won't be able to defend his title as he'll be out due to shoulder surgery.
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The check is in the mail (finally). Shootin Sharyn and I will be there. Iron Cowboy will have to miss this one due to shoulder surgery.
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Maybe he's conserving his supply of blue 'ink'...?
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40 minutes ago, Barry Sloe said:
I'm curious. While all this magical shooting was going on, where was the TO and spotters?
The TO should have a clue as to which target was being aimed at.
The shooter seemed to be going down the line of rifle targets, what did the spotters see?
I'll revise my original count to 2 misses. 1 miss on target #4 and a miss for not shooting where the downed target was.
Sure wish PWB would chime in.
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So even though the stage directions said "ONLY STANDING BOTTLES OR MISSES ON THE DUMP PLATE COUNT AS MISSES." you would assess a miss on pistol target #4, which was not standing at the end of the stage? What is your rationale for that?
Also, what difference does it make what target the TO thinks the shooter was aiming at? I'm as prone to being wrong as the next guy, but I think what matters is what target the shooter hits.
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7 minutes ago, Shawnee Hills said:
Seems like "With rifle, engage the 10 rifle knock-down targets" covers that. I read it as all 10 rifle targets are to be engaged with one round each from the rifle . . . provided that it was to be loaded with only 10 rounds and no reload allowed. In the case of the already downed plate, then the shooter must shoot "where it was". Since the shooter did not do that then it seems like he/she earned a miss. Since no makeup was allowed, via "With rifle, engage the 10 rifle knock-down targets", then it appears that a P would have been earned as well. The pistol run was clean.
At least, that's how I'm reading it. May be right, may be wrong, but interested in how this shakes out.
You definitely have a point. Given what I see as some ambiguity I would not penalize the shooter.
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1 hour ago, Barry Sloe said:
1 miss and a P.
A miss because all 10 rifle targets were not engaged. The target that was down is shoot where it was.
A P because one of the rifle targets was re-engaged.
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Where in the instructions does it say that not engaging a target is a miss? Where does it say that a target can't be re-engaged
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2 hours ago, Rance - SASS # 54090 said:
Me??
One “ P”.. for inadvertently hitting a rifle target with a pistol..
one miss .. for failure to engage the already downed rifle target..
Shooting a target with the wrong gun (pistol target with rifle, or rifle target with pistol) is not a P. SHB page 21 "5 second penalties - each target hit with an incorrect firearm."
In this case stage instructions over ride that penalty, at least that's how I would call it.
Tough crowd, no offense, but there's no award for 'finding' penalties.
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45 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:
"Fall Open??" I may be sheltered, but I have never seen any internal hammer shotgun that would "fall open" and cock the Main Springs.
Iffin ya want a double that will fall open, gotcha a good Outside Hammer Double and go "real" cowboy.
Maybe you should get out more. All four of my SKBs will 'fall open' and cock the internal hammers. It's that Fast Eddie magic.
BTW, SKB's are 'real cowboy'.
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I haven't used a BSS for CAS, strictly SKBs, but I will share that two SKB gunsmiths have mentioned that shortening the barrels too much reduces their weight enough to make it difficult to slick them enough to fall open. It may be that the BSS barrels are heavy enough that it won't be an issue, but all three of the four SKBs in the Burt family have 22 inch barrels. The fourth SKB came with the barrels already cut to 18.5, but given it cost me less than $500 to purchase three years ago we've made do.
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Looks like they’re popular. Only one on Gunbroker and none at Bud’s. I think I’ll pick one up to match with my 1851 Piettas for the rare occasions when I shoot black powder.
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Outlaw Bullets generously sponsored the Magnificent 7 competition with a donation of 7,000 bullets which will be given to competitors! I bought several thousand bullets from them myself and proceeded to shoot 6 matches in a row clean! I'm not saying they're miss proof, but they're definitely high quality.
Magnificent Seven 2024
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