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  1. On 9/22/2022 at 6:37 PM, Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L said:

    We all know the old adage that refinishing an old firearm, especially one with some collector value, usually destroys the collector value. Especially if alot of metal polishing and buffing has been done.



    If a gun is of collector value, leave it alone.  If you want to shoot it, you could clean out the 140+ years of collected gunk from the insides so that it functions properly again.  

    However, just because a gun is "old" does not mean it is sought after by collectors.   For instance, I bought a beater old Marlin off the Classifieds that I knew would have to be a reclamation project.  It sat there in the Classified Forum for quite some time, price drop after price drop.  So, I bought it at 600.   I simply wanted a 19th century .44W Marlin in an original configuration.   No, it probably wasn't worth what I paid for it.


    Restoration and repair was the cost of a new Uberti '73.  But, to me, it was worth it, and that's all that matters.  I could care less what I can get back out of it when my shooting days are done.  What matters is the amount of enjoyment I got from it while I was here,


    If you have a gun with true collector value, you might opt for "conservation" instead of "restoration".   Where any further rusting is stopped and any remaining original colors are brought to the fore.  Junk is removed from the innards and bore, screws unbuggered, and the gun put back into fully-functioning condition.


    This is my Marlin, before and after.  All original factory stamping is preserved.  Fully functional.  Rust bluing process was used.

    Again, to me, it was worth getting this old girl out of the recycle bin and back into the fight.











  2. On 9/20/2022 at 3:56 PM, Tallboy said:

    I am looking at 2 Uberti SAA for cowboy shooting, but I also was interested in buying an actual 2nd or 3rd gen Colt SAA. I would also be open to a USFC SAA as well.


    I've have a few Colts, not a huge collection, but enough to scratch that itch.   My personal opinion only (worth what you paid for it...), is that the 2nd Gen Colts were some of the best Colts ever made.   They're not as collectible as 1st Gens, especially not the blackpowder frame ones.  But, they are well worth having. 

    Of the later 3rd Gen Custom Shop guns, they are almost the equal.   But, some parts, such as barrels,  are not interchangeable with previous versions.   I was able to get a pair of blackpowder frame, bevelled cylinder, sequentially numbered, 1st Gen roll-stamped, stunningly case hardened examples with the removable bushings, in 38-40.    The Colt Custom Shop at one time turned out some absolutely beautiful guns.   Too bad they dropped everything except .357 and .45...  Now, I'm not even sure the Custom Shop makes SAA's anymore. 


    Of the current reproductions, the closest to the Colt Prewar models in a mid-priced revolver, are those offered on the EMF (Pietta USA) website, their Great Western II line.  In the higher end, those made my Standard Manufacturing.


    In the blackpowder frames, the Cimarron Uberti Old Models are the way to go.  They are a fine revolver.   When ordering, specify that you want ones with the old "4-click" action, if they are still on the shelf.   The retractable firing pin hammer/trigger mechanism have started filtering into the Old Model line.


  3. Just personal experience...  I've had an empty stay in the port of my Marlin after I've opened the lever, sometimes flipped backwards, because I didn't rack the lever hard enough.  Lift up the gun from port down and there it is.  Another time I made it all the way to the unloading table before we discovered an empty in there. 

    Have seen it happen to a shooter with a Henry BB also.  

    I solved my Marlin problem by going to a coil-spring extractor.   

    But, if the T.O. doesn't see the last case eject, they can't rule in your favor.  MSV.  Another reason for the T.O. to be keeping an eye on the gun and shooter.

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  4. 40 minutes ago, Vail Vigilante said:

    For a rifle, I have a original 1873. It belonged to my Grandfather that I never got to meet. It is in 38-40.


    Welcome Vail Vigilante!

    I run a Winchester Model 1873 in .38 WCF that was manufactured in 1880.   Although I do recommend shooting these iron-framed guns with black-powder, I have run a few lightly loaded "smokeless" rounds through it.  But, like I said, I don't recommend it.  When I'm shooting a match, I do it with BP cartridges.

    I had a gunsmith go completely through the gun.  I have new springs to replace the originals, (save the old ones for if you ever sell it).  All the gunk from over a century of life was cleaned out.  New links were be specially made.  (save the old ones!)  And, modern sights to make it easier to use in competition were added, (save the originals!).  The timing and headspace needed to be adjusted.  The work was done by Nate Kiowa Jones at Steve's Gunz in TX.   A little later action was smoothed somewhat and some minor work done by Three Cut in NC.


    Since you're in AZ, you have some great gunsmiths there who can help you.   

    Arizona - Jim Bowie, Cowboys and Indian Store, Mojave Valley, AZ (714) 210-2720
    Arizona - Tom Squibber, Old Western Gun Repair, LLC, Maricopa, AZ, oldwestrepair97@gmail.com - Email is the preferred method of contact.
    Arizona - (by Appointment Only), Johnny Meadows, James Peoble johnnymeadows55@yahoo.com
    Arizona - Ol' #4"s Tuning & Repair, Tucson, AZ, olnumber4@gmail.com, (503) 890-7440 Colt/Colt Clones (C&B, Cartridge); 1873’s; BSS Shotguns (by appointment only)· 
    and shortly...
    Shotgun Boogie, Uwe Bartch, Shotgun Boogie Gun Works!     


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  5. I never understood the concept of going into a store that has a new off the shelf product, and having to negotiate the price.

    New car dealerships are about the only throwback to the old "horse traders", left.      

    I want to go to a store and if I see a product I want at a price I want, then I'll buy it.   I don't want it to be an hours long trial just to get it.


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  6. It's kind of a given that many movies and TV shows will mess up with anachronisms or when depicting firearm usage.

    But, when writing a book, the authors have the time to consult on subjects they know nothing about.   Obvious errors really take me out of the flow when as I'm reading and I come across them.  So do passages in parentheses, but that's another subject.


    I was reading a "Repairman Jack" novel, when the protagonist takes out his revolver, which he describes as a .357 Magnum Ruger Security Six.   He then carefully loads it with 5 rounds, hammer down on an empty chamber, in preparation for confrontation with the bad guy.   Okay, but the Security Six has a transfer bar safety, and was made so you could carry 6.  It was, and is, a big selling point.

    Then he goes on to describe it as a double action, "because you have to cock the hammer before you can pull the trigger"  


    Sounds like the writer had a "gun friend" give him some tips and got the whole thing wrong, or the author took terrible notes.  

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  7. 7 minutes ago, Colonel Lou said:

    So why would this be legal?  It was a semi auto round developed in 1901.  I do not know of any SAAs that shot it back then. Is this a joke or have we altered history like the rest of the country,


    Cowboy Action Shooting has never been entirely about re-enactment, or historically "correct".   The first CAS match was won by a shooter (SASS #94), shooting a .30 Carbine Blackhawk.   Although rifle calibers in a revolver are no longer allowed, any pistol caliber that can be commonly found in a revolver has been legal for a long time.

    Ruger has offered the 9mm, .32 H&R Mag, .40 S&W, 10mm, and 45acp in revolvers for many years.  Colt and S&W have been making .45acp revolvers since WWI.  All these calibers are SASS-legal.  The .357 Magnum didn't arrive until 1935 - it is SASS legal.  The .44 Magnum wasn't developed until 1954 - it is SASS legal.  The 454 Casull is SASS-legal, (if the revolver meets SASS standards).  (All these late-comers are SASS legal if loaded to SASS specs.)

    "Revolver Calibers - Must be centerfire calibers of at least .32 caliber and no larger than .45 caliber or percussion calibers of at least .36 caliber and no larger than .45 caliber.

    - Must be in a caliber commonly available in revolvers. Examples include, but are not limited to, .32-20, .32 Magnum, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .44 Magnum, .44- 40, and .45 Colt."  SHB Pg 37 

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  8. "We lost one of the old Los Vaqueros Shooters, Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, today Sept. 13, 2022.  He was always fun to shoot with and a good shooter. He won the Modern category at Winter Range, back when it was a category.  Ride well, old pard!" - The Butcher



    Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, David W. Glenn







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  9. 35 minutes ago, Ace Holliday said:

    100 Brand new Starline 44-40 cases shipped to your door USPS Priority Mail. $50 PayPal, Venmo, Check, Money Order. Buyer pays PayPal or Venmo fees.

    Thank you for looking.

    I'll take 'em.  Send me a PM with yer PP particulars.





  10. 23 minutes ago, Johnny Knight said:

    Out of curiosity, do the original 1878's have the lug between the barrels?



    Yes, it's a "doll's head".  



  11. 2 hours ago, Johnny Knight said:

    As I understand it, some of the Cimarron models were TTN's, but not all of them were.  Is that the case?  If so, any idea on when the change occurred or how to distinguish one from the other?  How do the guns differ?  Thanks !



    First, T.T.N. models are the old copies of the Colt Model 1878 Shotgun that were made in China for Thomas Trans National, and sold through Cimarron Firearms.   TTN is no longer in the gun business.  They still exist selling herbal remedies.   The early years of these TTNs were rough, reports are (I'd have to go back and find the articles), that the later years of these guns were much better.

    The current 1878 copies distributed by Cimarron came from two sources, China and Pakistan.   If buying a newer one, try to get the one from Pakistan.   Reports from gunsmiths indicate these are the better guns.  


    IF you can find a TTN or a Pakistan-made 1878 on the secondary market, I'd give it a serious look.   


    Know that these guns are rather heavy, and have a lug between the chambers, that for some, increases the "fumble factor".  (Like anything else, practice!)  This is one of the reasons for the popularity of the hammered double made by CZ.  




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  12. 1 hour ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

    There are some clubs that have pretty much switched to facebook.   I don't know if that is the case with the above mentioned club, but if so then it would behoove them to at least have a link to the facebook page on their website.


    Yep, Texas Troublemakers current site seems to be on FB at:



    The website mentioned earlier should be updated, but who knows if their webmaster is still with the club, or even alive.

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  13. 4 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

    Has your email been hacked?


    I got an email from you this afternoon and seemed 'suspicious'.   I replied for you to contact me via SASS Wire 'PM' but

    didn't hear back from you.





    'Tweren't me.  Nothing went out from my e-mail.   If someone is making like they're me, I pity them.   They oughta copy a more interesting life.  :wacko:

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  14. 27 minutes ago, July Smith said:

    Yes, the Uberti/Colt 1862 is the same frame as the 1849.  


    Fair enough.  Uberti says the 1862 is built stronger than the 1849, but nevertheless, that means with a .32 S&W Conversion Cylinder, the 1849 could be a main match gun.  

  15. As long as this is an opinion thread, and the ROC hasn't spoken, here's my opinion:

    The 1862 Uberti is a main match revolver.  With a shorter barrel it's still a main match revolver with a shorter barrel.   It is not a small frame like the 1849 Baby Dragoon or the 1863 Remington with a .32 Conv. Cylinder   Just like the Uberti Stallion with a short barrel wouldn't be a pocket pistol.




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