Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933
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Posts posted by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933
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Looks like a case separation.
Thought I better come back in case you are not familiar with this. A case separation is where the cartridge case breaks in two and part of the case stays in the chamber while the back half with the rim is ejected. One way to get out the piece is with a broken shell extractor like this one. You load it into the chamber like a cartridge and close the lever. The flanged end on the left goes through the broken piece and then expands back out so that, hopefully, when you open the lever it pulls out the broken part. See if someone in your club has one of these. Otherwise try a tight fitting bore brush with a patch on it forced down the barrel from the muzzle and see if you can push out the piece.
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Certainly check for defects but how far the gun opens is more dependent on how it is being held. Several years ago a group of shooters showed up at Winter Range and they had removed the locking block completely. With a standing breech and weak ammo it does not take much to hold it closed. Their theory was once the gun had fired all they had to do was reach for their reloads and the barrels would fall open. Quickly reviewed by the rules committee and declared illegal. Stoegers have no trace of QC. One may be bad and the next mediocre. Here are a couple of photos showing problem areas. On many the locking block is bent or warped. In this photo you can see how warped it is by where the light is showing through between the bottom of the locking block and the top of a machined flat surface. With the lug like this if the top lever spring is replaced but no other work done friction from the poorly fitted locking lug may reduce the rearward movement and limit stress on the spring.
After a while the lug will wear on the high spots and decrease friction in the receiver but put more stress on the spring. The bright spots on this lug show the wear patterns. To complensate sometimes the spring pressure might need to be increased. It is also possible the spring has weakened just a bit. The green and purple arrows point to where the locking block SHOULD be engaging the locking lugs on the barrels. Notice there is no sign of any wear where the lugs are supposed to engage the barrel.
In this photo the white thing is a machined steel plate I made that is the thickness of the water table on the receiver so I could see and measure barrel lug engagement. The forward lug, the green arrow, has zero engagement with the locking block. The rear lug, the purple arrow, shows the rear lug has only a few thousands of an inch engagement. With lug engagement like this it does not take much to bounce the locking block out of engagement with the barrel.
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You are describing the classic symptom of a too lite top lever spring. The spring is the only thing keeping the gun locked. The locking lug is pushed forward by the top lever spring and when the gun fires the locking lug attempts to (in effect) move to the rear by inertia. First check to make sure that no dirt or debris or a random pellet is not lodged where it should not be. Then try some Winchester AA Low Noise Low Recoil shells. If it works OK with them you have probably got it set up OK for cowboy loads. I could not find any subsonic Bornaghi 7/8 loads. The lowest velocity listed on their website and a couple of others is 1200 fps which is substantially hotter than your 10.7 grains of Clays load.
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5 hours ago, Pb Mark said:
Just take the picture of the modified loading gate from SB shown in the picture from Larsen and modify your stock loading gate to closely match. Use blue Loctite when putting the little screw back in. Take that $49 saved (now earned) and put it back in your pocket. Just a thought.
A basically non-workable idea. For those thinking about buying one of the Boogie gates here is why it works.
The stock gate, on the top in this photo, has a dish in it and the top of the gate touches the bottom of the side plate. The green arrow shows where the stock gate touches the side plate. On the Boogie gate, on the bottom in the photo, the cartridge guide is recessed all the way to the front of the side plate and is below the level of the side plate.
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This is shown in more detail by a photo of the front of the two gates. The stock gate on top and the Boogie gate on the bottom. The green arrow shows where the stock gate contacts the side plate. The Boogie gate is well below the side plate. The stock gate has to be pushed fully into the gun to load a cartridge. The Boogie gate is already about the equivalent of 1/3 depressed.
The stock gate installed in the side plate. In order to load a round it has to be pushed into the dish and the gate fully depressed into the gun before the round will slide into the carrier.
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With the Boogie gate you can already see into the carrier before a round is even started. Plus the spring steel in the Boogie gate is not nearly as stiff as the stock gate. Just push a cartridge into the large depressed guide in the gate and it slides into the carrier. This is not something you can go out into your garage and take a hammer to the old gate and produce satisfactory results.
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Because for decades the rule has been only Winchester 97s or its clones are legal.
"The only slide action shotgun allowed is the Model 1897 Winchester shotgun, whether original or replica."
Even if legal I would never shoot my Burgess in anything resembling competition as the pistol grip is made from gutta percha. It is kind of like stressing 150 year old bakelite.
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I just watched Piranha 3D on the SciFi Channel this afternoon and they were in a pool chomping on teenagers. My TV is only 2D but it was still an epic film.
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Shotgun Boogie Gun Works
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Identifying the shoot might help.
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Akneeling in church praying for some .300 Savage brass.
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John Wayne movies are entertaining. You are talking about baseball.
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So they were playing cards together?
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delete as needlessly cruel.
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Most of the time it is an easy fix. Assuming the gate spring is not bent all you need to do is slide a punch or flat blade screwdriver down the breach face and push the tip of the spring down. It will normally snap into place.
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It is 100% as authentic as all the Wells Fargo stuff on EBay.
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What does WTK stand for?
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The biggest change is that people who were 67 thirteen years ago are now 80.
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The range is on State land and has been there for 32 years. The State is closing them down. The club has to try and find a new location.
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I have been to the Western Regional hosted by the Chorro Valley Regulators many times. I was debating not going this year but when I heard it will be the last shoot at the range I booked a room and made plans to attend. The range RV parking and other facitlities are first rate. BUT it is not just the range and shooting that make this such a great event. It is also the location. It is literally just 5 minutes from Morro Bay and the temperatures are always right at 70 degrees. It was 115 in Phoenix when I left for the shoot but the temps at Morro Bay ranged from 68 to 72 with clear skies. The location is simply idyllic. In a few weeks the range will be gone.
Here is the clubhouse.
Some of the stages with some background scenary provided by the local hills.
Some more of the soon to be gone stages.
The Last Chance Saloon and the big tent where the prime rib dinner is served on Saturday night. The dinner was always excellent and they used real plates and silverware.
Now for part two of the location - Morro Bay.
Some of the docks.
A pair of Sea Lions sunning themselves on the rocks right next to the sidwalk.
Having a steak and lobster dinner and looking out the window at the Morro Bay rock.
I hope the Chorro Valley Regulators find a new range but I fear they will never find another location with the charm of Morro Bay.
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Looks like the follower is sticking in the mag tube. The follower pushing on the front of the carrier is what controls it.
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Yes it is in the Shotgun Boogie Ruger short stroke article. I am at the Western Regional. I will look for it when I get home if you do not find it before then.
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Silica content in poly or Hi-Tek bullets?
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Out of curiosity why are you asking?