Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933
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On 12/12/2024 at 2:51 PM, Kodiak Bill said:
The import marks are on the cartridge cylinder.
If there are import marks then the gun is at least partially reproduction. The cylinder looks to me to be in too good of condition. The cylinder engraving is very sharp and well defined. These were quite shallow on the originals and there is almost always some wear on an orignal cylinder.
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So sad. I sure hope it was not arson. I really worry about the Winchester House and the Hotel Del Coronado.
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That is really neat. It looks like a modern conversion of an original gun. They did not have Allen head scews like those holding on the conversion ring in the 19th Century and the barrel is lined for .38 caliber. I have never seen an original with a liner and the rifling looks modern compared to the style used in the 1800s. The rear sight also does not look like how they were done by Colt.
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Well hell I have been cleaning out some cabinets trying to downsize and get rid of stuff I have not used in years. Look what I found way in the back. (Also found four one pound containers of Red Dot.) The Clays are unopened. The Trail Boss is filled to the brim which means I dumped a partial bottle into this one so it is over the normal 9 ounces.
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Heck they even have primers that went out of production 20 years ago.
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Take a look at the payment methods.
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Any #10 washer will work. You certainly do not need aircraft quality for a shim.
The washer ID has to be able to slip over the spring strut. The OD has to be narrower than the width of the gripframe. On old Vaqueros and all Birdshead models the OD has to be 1/2" (.500) or less. On the New Vaquero plow gripframe they are 7/16" wide (.437) or less. I just took the strut to ACE with a caliper and bought a bunch of washers to fit both.
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56 minutes ago, Ya Big Tree said:
Maybe Clays will follow.
Clays is not made in Australia. Made in Canada.
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Trail boss is that a new category?
Does that come before or after Cattle Baron?
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9 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:
A Pard mentioned he was seating his 158 grain LRNFP bullets at the grease ring, rather than the crimp ring and they were feeding OK in his .357 rifle.
For this post to have any meaning you have to state what KIND of .357 rifle. A .357 Uberti 73, a .357 Browning 92, a .357 Rossi 92 and a .357 Marlin, etc., are all different animals. It is not so much the brass as it is the OAL of the round. Just crimp the bullet where it needs to be for a particular round to fit a particular.357 rifle. This bullet is the Bullets by Scarlett 125 grain and has no grease groove so you can crimp it where you want to.
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11 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:
About time to get the gun to a smith for a close examination. This could be caused by a number of root causes, and with what I can read of your level of experience with the 73 action, you may hunt for a long time.
I agree with Joe. This is especially hard with 12 to 24 hours between reponses and no photos. Makes an on-line diagnosis very difficult. Someone with the gun in their hands will probably be able to diagnose the problem in a few minutes.
Two things as parting suggestions on what to look for. In your original post you noted:
On 12/7/2024 at 3:35 PM, slow poke gear said:It seems like it happens no matter the brand casing
Are these reloads? If so or with whatever ammo you are using with the links still out pull the bolt back and make sure the carrier is fully down. Point the muzzle at the floor and drop in a round. Does it go in the chamber freely all the way up to the rim? If not you may have an ammo problem.
Also look at the bottom tab on the bolt face. The ejector is at 12 o'clock and the tab is at 6 o'clock. Is the tab bent down? Good luck finding your problem.
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1 hour ago, Tall John said:
My only negative comment is that the are a little “stiffer” to hand prime than Federal SP’s.
I bought 100 Large Rifle to prime a few cases I needed for some non-CAS loads. I have a KM hand primer which is all steel and a good quality hand primer. The first two or three were very hard to seat. Then it got stuck like the primer had caught a rough edge on the shell casing or the edge of the primer punch. Had to basically squeeze it in a small vise. The seated primer looked fine. Same for the next several rounds. Two or three hard but seated with hand pressure. Then one was stuck and had to be muscled in and so on. They all fired but are definitely harder to seat than other primers I usually use.
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10 hours ago, scasey0119 said:
The frame and bolt are both faulty.
How?
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Take the links out and push the bolt forward with your fingers. Does the extractor snap over the rim?
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You need to supply some additional information. Stock links or aftermarket? Have you checked the headspace? Have you removed the side plates to see if the three pins in the linkage are lined up? How old is the gun? Did the previous owner ever have an out of battery discharge? Does the lever come all the way up to the lower tang when you close it?
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My dad's birthday was December 7. He was at the recruiting station in his small town on the morning of December 8. They would not let him join because he had just turned 16. The next year on December 7 he joined the Navy. We lived in Hawaii in pre-statehood days and several sunken ships were still sticking out of the water. The Arizona superstructure was still attached. They removed it when they built the memorial.
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I was always of the opinion that if your guns won't reliably set off Winchester primers they are not tuned correctly. However, people insist on setting up their guns so they only set off Federal primers. So I see no point in trying to change their minds and try to respond with that in mind. OP have you checked firing pin protrusion? You should have about .055" of protrusion. The after market pins are longer so they can be fitted to provide the proper protrusion. In the good old days some firing pin extensions came with an extension on the front to give more firing pin protrusion. With longer firing pins being on the market I have not seen these in a while.
Uberti firing pins are very blunt. Sometimes all that is needed is to make it more pointed. Stock on the left, reshaped on the right.
One caveat to this whole primer situation. Federal, CCI and Remington are all owned by the same company. The primers are used across all product lines and as we all know profits are the number one priority. For example, shotgun shells that were premium before the pandemic are now junk. Each year at the Grand National there are people who test the shells used at the Grand. I.e., hull quality, shot hardness, powder types and primers. They have varied dramatically the past few years. The fact that a primer was good five years ago may not mean it will be good next year. For example here is some advertising for the "new" CCI primers. Note it says they are more sensitive. Who knows.
CCI Primers are continuously tested and improved. As a result today's CCI primers are more sensitive, easier to seat and more compatible with progressive and automated loading equipment than ever before. They utilize modern non-corrosive and non-mercuric initiator mixes for the cleanest burn possible. These are the “bread-and-butter” of reloading, the most commonly called-for primers in reloading recipes. CCI standard primers are remarkably clean-burning, leaving primer pockets cleaner and extending the time between pocket cleaning. That’s a huge benefit for progressive reloaders. They are more sensitive and easier to seat than older CCI primers, and engineered for smooth feeding in automated equipment. Available in 1000 or 5000 count boxes.
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3 hours ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said:
Tighten up the strain screw a 1/4 turn or two.
Probably a typo. Maybe a 1/4 turn or 1/2. Two would make levering noticeably more difficult.
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Have you read this thread? Simple solution, do not use CCI primers.
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19 hours ago, Ol Salty Sailor said:
The new Marlin Classics in .357 only hold 9+1 rounds due to an 18.63" barrel so that seems to be out of the running.
They hold 9+1 rounds of max OAL .357. They hold ten rounds of .38 Special with no problem and I can get ten rounds of .357 in if the OAL is less than maximum.
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Opinions on primers needed
In my opinion primers are definitely needed.
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Air rifle carried on the Lewis & Clark expedition. Could easily kill a man and terrified the Indians.
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He also had a decent band.
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This and removing the burr from around the firing pin hole will probably solve your problem. .44-40 has been produced for over 150 years and the chamber and ammo dimensions have varied widely. If the Magtech ammo does not work try another brand. If you have a bullet puller pull some bullets and drop the empty cases into the chamer. Sometimes even the bullet nose shape can cause problems in some chambers.