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2 hours ago, Doc R Domingo said:
Question on 45 colt seating& crimping. I am using RCBS Carbide 45 colt dies, unfired new starline brass, 200 gr Cast SWC. To keep at just under max OAL (1.5970), the bullet is seated above crimping groove. I have also tried sierra 200 gr V and in order to stay just below max oal, the case mouth is above the cannelure.
Am I doing something wrong or is this acceptable?
Help, input suggestions would be appreciated!
Thanks. Doc
Different bullets will have the crimp groove located differently. In fact I would be quite surprised if even two bullets had the crimp groove positioned to provide the same OAL, let alone several. Sixgun Seamus is correct, SWCs don't work well in most rifles, the wider the meplat, the harder they are to feed. I seat & crimp in the same step, necessary to use a powder check on a Dillon 550. And while the SAMMI spec is a max OAL of 1.600", that's for revolvers, most rifle require a length shy of this by differing amounts. My newest 1873, requires a max length of around 1.579".
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Cleaning Supplies? In my gun cart? If I need to clean, I shouldn't have come to the match. I go to matches to shoot, stay home to clean.
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I'd have been more interested in seeing how he decapped those Berdan primed shells. I'll stick with my regular wet tumbling.
If you turn on closed captioning, then open the settings menu, select English, you might get a clearer picture... or not.
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With a PF of 60 and velocity of 400 fps... it's right there in the rules.
For me, personally, I find the C45S with a 160 grain pill and 3.2 grains of Clays. Although I generally use 3.4... for some obscure and mysterious reason.
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58 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:
You obviously haven’t read my post or those of several others who have explained how it is done!!
In the course of a regular monthly, (read that “small match with ten or twelve posse members”) match, I have worked the unloading table, spotted, run the timer, and or served as Posse Marshal!!
While doing so, I STILL checked and charged my cap ‘n’ ball guns and never held up the show!!
Get your possibles organized and your routine down and you spend little extra time reloading your “single cylinder” guns!!
+2! I might not be as fast at charging my cylinders as others, but I can usually get it done in 3 or 4 shooters and either stay there, or spot, score or otherwise help out. The key is being ready to shoot early in the rotation, (another reason why "shoot in order" is problematic).
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7 hours ago, Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L said:
Yep, my bad, I was thinking of 38-55 like I shoot, no 94's in 45-70. The 86 would be a good choice if you want a lever gun. Don't discount the single shots, lots of good choices there, plus you can shoot Quigley matches with it.
IMO, one needs at least 3 rifles for long range side matches. Two lever guns chambered in a cartridge suitable to the ranges one might expect to encounter... One for those where range might exceed 500 yards, and one suitable out to around 250-350 yards.
As for rifle #3, a single shot is almost mandatory if you're going for long range shooting. One rifle can cover most of the common long range events... In a traditional black powder cartridge loaded with smokeless you can reach out those far targets, and with black powder as propellant it meets the requirements of a "Buffalo Gun". There are many models to choose from, some of the most popular are the Winchester Hi Wall, Springfield Trapdoor, and the various Sharps models.
But, far more important than either the rifle model or the specific cartridge one selects are the sights that you put on them. If the rifle won't accept a quality tang sights, you're limiting your options. Expect to spend more than you'd like for those quality sights.
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+1 to Creeker, all correct. My problem with Henry Repeating Arms goes back to when they advertised their Henry Big Boy as SASS Legal before ever asking if it was. Dishonest at worst, simply fulfilling the mantra about assuming at best.
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I shoot Colt 1851s (2nd Gens), one cylinder per gun... I load on the gun, at home prior to leaving. Cap at the loading table... The only time I deviated from that I capped empty chambers at stage one to clear nipples... and guess what... had a bit of fission material plug the nipple. After that, I load all six chambers, cap 5, and shoot the stage, go to the unloading table with my loading kit and recharge the 5 chambers emptied at that stage. Repeat for up to 12 stages over a 3 day match. Clean guns at home, at my leisure, been doing it that way since they made Frontiersman.
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Big Boston, none of the Winchester post '64 parts were MIM. The receiver was forged of sintered steel, not mystery metal, the carrier was sheet metal until about 1972, when it was changed to a cast part, as it remained throughout the USRA production, (I don't know what Miroku uses); the balance of the parts were forged regular steel. Sintered steel doesn't take hot bluing the same as forged steel, therefore the purple color inside the receiver. The receiver was either coated with steel & blued, clad with brass, pewter or hard chromed depending on model and time frame. Some were coated with a special "black" finish, but almost all were susceptible to freckling. Carriers would bend with most any jam, as most folks don't have much finesse when brute force sometimes works. Among my 30 Winchester 94s, I have 16 post '64s, some of which are among the smoothest of actions. Nothing inside the action "folds"... the lever has either a straight slot or a "L" shaped slot in it to facilitate it forcing the "link" to lower into position to accept a cartridge from the magazine. At the very end of it's forward stroke the carrier is forced upward putting the cartridge in position to be pushed forward in the chamber by the bolt. Working the action "smartly" it can function smoothly and quickly. Worked slowly, one generally feels a hitch where the lever hits the pin thru the lower link, as it usually takes a bit of force to push the link out of position against it's catch in the receiver.
I think they undeservedly got a bad rap in the beginning, partly due to the metal composition, and yes, partly due to the fragile nature of the carrier. Just like with many other arms, they only improve with judicious stoning of mating parts.
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37 minutes ago, Mister Badly said:
Aiming?
Whether using the sights or not, you're aiming at a target. How accurate not using the sights becomes is a matter of eye/hand coordination, a feat that varies widely from one person to the next.
2 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:Its my understanding that a MDQ on side match day is ONLY for that day, but the MDQ is not carried over to the main match, assuming
this is approved by the Match Director/club.
BUT..... a MDQ on the 1st day of a multiple day match IS for the complete match.
Is my understanding correct?
..........Widder
You are correct sir.
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Montados were initially developed for mounted shooting. They carried features that made them illegal for cowboy action, but enhanced their one-handed handling. Ruger then produced them without those features, and viola, legal for cowboy action.
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Step one: buy rifle,
Step two: measure groove & bore diameters,
Step three: THEN buy mold, sizer and components.
All the advertising mumbo-jumbo is just so much gibberish until you have the actual article in hand.
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19 hours ago, Choctaw Kid Tulsa said:
Anyone got some 45 cowboy brass they’d be willing to let go? I’m looking for 100 pieces..
Thanks,
Choctaw Kid
PM your address. I'll put 100 pcs in the mail later this week.
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All y'all need to cease and desist all shooting & reloading activities; might just leave some components on store shelves!
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If you're gonna spew nonsense, be prepared to be schooled! Winchester Repeating Arms became defunct when it went into receivership in 1931, subsequently bought out by Western Cartridge Company in 1934, a subsidiary of the Olin Corporation . So, "Winchester" hasn't made arms since 1934. Olin made Winchester firearms until 1983 when the New Haven plant was sold to the US Repeating Arms and produced firearms with the Winchester name under license from Olin Corp. They ultimately got swallowed up by Fabrique National, who closed the New Haven plant in 2006. And subsequently were granted a license to produce firearms with the Winchester name in their Miroku subsidiary's plant in Japan. Similarly to how Browning Firearms were made there. (Browning is also an entity owned by FN).
Second, the Winchester mdl 94 is an engineering marvel from the genius of JM Browning. A medium power rifle in a slim, trim, quick handling lightweight carbine. Just as Thomas G. Bennett requested. The mdl 94 was first produced in a pistol cartridge in 1969, a 44 Rem Magnum. The 45 Colt was introduced in the mdl 94AE in 1985. Parts are mostly interchangeable,, except the bolt for an AE won't work with a top eject (pre-'83, USRA receiver).
Thirdly, the mdl 94 and mdl '73 share a similar length factory lever stroke, so it doesn't really lose anything to a factory '73 in that regard. The stroke is a little "clunky" as the bottom of the receiver drops out of the receiver in order to facilitate the longer rifle length cases. The factory lever stroke on the mdl 1892 Winchester is slightly shorter than the mdl 94 and mdl '73, minutely longer than the Marlin mdl 1894. A well tuned Winchester mdl 1892 was THE go to rifle for CAS prior to the development of the short stroked '73. A properly set up Marlin in the hands of a skilled shooter was a good match for the 1892. Any of which is far better platforms for a pistol length cartridge than the mdl 94.
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On 1/8/2024 at 12:23 PM, Hoss said:
This past weekend I wet tumbled about 600 38sp cases in a Frankfort Arsenal tumbler. Used brass cleaner, water. (No pins). Cases came out shining like a diamond in a goats behind!
As I was drying them I found 3 loaded rounds that had been washed. 1 was APP, other 2 Bullseye powder. I wondered if they would fire.
All 3 went bang, I could not tell any difference! I really thought that the tumbling in water for 2 hours would have gotten a drop or 2 of water in the case, but apparently no.
That would NOT likely be the result with pistol ammo for a Frontiersman!
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1 hour ago, Go West said:
Do any of you use a bottle support for MEC shotshell presses? The reason I ask is my shot bottle broke at the neck. I've used a Sizemaster for 3-4 years without one. It was a bit chilly in the garage and may have made it brittle. Will the bottle support help? Thanks in advance.
No, I've had both my 600Jrs set up in my uninsulated metal workshop for the 33 years I've lived in Texas and for the prior 16 years they lived in my So Cal coastal garage. I had the metal "cap" separate from its base, but no bottle failures. Define "chilly".
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If they're safe in your Colt SAA, they'll likely be more'n fine in the Miroku.
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Congratulations Rusty. Wished I coulda been there to do it in person... A well deserved honor!
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My rough take on this "experiment" is that the only thing proven is which YOU'RE fastest with on that given day, at that given hour. On another day or hour, you might be fastest with one of the others.
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10 hours ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said:
Exactly, load/gun combo problem, with the problem being the light bullet weight. The only thing that is changed is the bullet weight, rest of the load is the same, including the diameter. Same powder, powder charge and primer produce excellent groups with the 125 and 158 bullets. In 50 years of reloading, this tells me that there is something about the 105 gr. bullet that my guns don't like, so I don't use them. The only reason I mentioned it to the OP is that not every revolver will shoot a certain type of bullet well, maybe try a different bullet.
Your rifles & pistols may have different twist rates, thereby negated all the similar factors. MV also plays an important factor. I have a set in 45 with the exact opposite problem, bullets work great in handguns, lousy in the rifle. Or at least in that rifle.
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17 minutes ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said:
Correct, my handguns are very inaccurate with 105's. Five inch 5 shot groups at 15 yds. With 125 or 158 they will shoot 1 1/4 inch 5 shot groups. Rifle shoots 105's with no problems
That sounds like load/gun combo problem, more than just bullet weight issue. Could be bullet dia to groove fit, twist rate issues.
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There will be those that look at that as trying to make it into something it's not. Rust is hard enough to prevent when a firearm has all of its' original finish. Bare steel is not an original finish.
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Reloading 45 Colt Seating and Crimp Questions
in SASS Wire
Posted · Edited by Griff
In nearly 38 years of shooting 45 Colt in revolvers, and & 36 years of using a 45 Colt Uberti '73 Sporting rifle in cowboy action matches, I've never had a split case mouth, I will from time to time have a split in the body of the case. For the 1st 2 years I used a single stage RCBS press and their standard dies. In 1987 I went to a Dillon 550 and carbide dies. I have 3 sets of carbide dies, one set on a toolhead for the 550 for 45 Colt, one set on a toolhead for C45S, and one set in the box for range use with developing loads on the Lyman Spartan press. I don't tally how many times my brass has been loaded, so that with a little over 1,500 fired cases rotating thru my loading and cleaning cycles, undoubtedly some of it has probably seen much more use than others. Using what I consider a median load, (~850 fps from 24-¼" bbl), with bullet weights between 200 & 230 grains, the fired cases used in various 45 Colt rifles (6), will sometimes see a slight bulge on one side of the case. I believe this is the bottom of the cartridge as it rests in the chamber, being held more to the top of the chamber by the extractor, and therefor what case expansion there is, is at the bottom. I'm fairly confident that repeated orientation at the same position overworks the brass after full length sizing each time. As I don't segregate my brass by age or brand, this random repeated orientation is just that, random, & unpredictable. Losing a piece or 3 every 4-500 reloads, doesn't concern me. Way less than the number of cases ejected forward of the firing line.
With a couple thousand new cases ready to take a turn in my loading rotation, I don't sweat losing a few pieces of brass... If I were trying to shoot every weekend and had a "budget" of only a few hundred cases or less... I might sweat it a little more. Why, I might even get anxious over not being able to order brass at any given time!