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Myself... I would consider these as "sub-models", As sub brand might be like when Winchester made the Ted Williams line for Sears. Or like the Cadillac, Chevy Pontiac or Buick brands of General Motors. But, that's just my opinion... and we all know what those are.
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On 6/23/2025 at 4:22 AM, Sedalia Dave said:
In your Rossi 92 you'll likely need to shoot .357 vice 38 specials. most 38 special length ammo in a 92 action tends to stove pipe or have other feeding issues when run fast.
You won't know until you try, but I would test fire a couple boxes of 158 grain 38 specials and see how they feed cycling the action as fast as you can. I would also try the .357 ammo loaded with both 125 gr and 158 grain bullets and see which feeds better.
For your pistols either the 105 or 125 grain loads will work well.
Because the bullet profiles are different for the different 38 special bullet weights you won't have any issues telling them apart.
I've been shooting 92's for about 10 years. In all I have set up 6 Rossi 92's. Those that I have set up would feed 125 grain 38 specials with zero issues IF the COAL was 1.505" to 1.510". any shorter and I would have feeding issues. To get this length the bullets are not crimped in the crimp groove and I had to adjust my loads from what most people use to allow for the increased case volume.
They will also run .357 ammo with bullet weights between 130 and 158 grains with no issues.
I used the video sold by Nate Kiowa Jones at www.stevesgunz.com
I didn't use Steve's video on any of the 3 Rossis I have. But, then... I'm not sure it was available back in the late 1980s! But, the recommended techniques I was given by other shooters and developed on my own, are pretty close. Both of the .38/.357 carbines run either .38 Specials or 357s at speed. Both my wife & son used them when they were competing, and winning matches with them. The 45 Colt Short Rifle ain't quite as slick, but I didn't work on it quite as long either. And with 4 other 45 SASS rifles, not really needed for the game, it being more my hunting gun.
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2 hours ago, KatfishKid said:
...We've begun saving for another loadout...
And... undoubtedly a lot more as you attend bigger matches with more side events that catch your fancy. Since starting cowboy action, I've acquired an 1886, a derringer (or 3), a Sharps, several pocket pistols, a couple other single shots, hammered & hammerless backup shotguns, 7 additional 1851s, at least 3 backup pistol caliber rifles among others. It's either guns, gunsmithing, reloading equipment & supplies or clothing... each keeps the pocketbook in a constant state of disrepair!
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I have an AWA in .44-40 that I use in Wild Bunch... but since the targets are a bit farther than cowboy, I've never tried to see if it does slam fire.
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I'm been using a Hornady 366 for the past 2 years to load my BP shotshells on. Once you get each station set up to perform, it does a remarkable job, my finished hulls look and function better than what I'd previously loaded on my MEC 600Jr. I still have that machine for those instances when I'm in the workshop and only want a round or two to test something... (new primer, different hull, wad, etc.)
The only problem I've had on this "new-to-me" 366 is the auto advance. The "claw", or whatever that part is actually called, doesn't always return all the way to grab the shell plate. I haven't studied up on how to adjust its' travel, so it might just be a matter of adjustment, but if I watch for it, it's not a real hang-up. Again, once each station is occupied, one loaded, finished round per pull of the handle is far more productive than the 6 pulls per round of the MEC. My particular 336 doesn't have an easy method to shut off the primer feed, other than unscrewing it to raise it far enough so it doesn't drop a primer as the ram is raised. (Don't positively know that any do, but recently read that someone's does).
I'm way past the point where I was about to give up in frustration, (coordinating all the hand movements, moving shells from the decap/sizer, to the moveable platten, replacing that shell with a fresh on, inserting a wad) and visually checking each station that its ready for the handle pull. While not much different to running a Dillon, just different enough that the learning curve was greater than I anticipated.
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As far as I'm concerned the FCD is a wonderful stop-gap for those not wanting to trim brass to a uniform length... It can still seat bullets in a manner that won't pass a cartridge checker. But... I fall into that group that shoots in order to reload.
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So... stay home, in bed... and die of "nothing"... well, maybe boredom. Or, take reasonable precautions, and don't stress out over what ain't very likely to be what kills ya! And have a little fun outta life!
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K.I.S.S. With my 1860 & C45S carrier using 160 grain bullets it holds 19 in the mag.. With 2 less transitions, (no pistols), loading one over the top, I've often thought I'd attempt it at a monthly. No need to juggle 3 long guns. Just shoot the rifle sequence twice.
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IMO, it's the worst product ever foisted off on the firearms community. Read these and then draw your own conclusions:
https://www.chuckhawks.com/doc_white2.htm
https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56362.0.html
In a discussion I had with Mike Venturino back around 1987 @ EOT he advised me to cease using Pyrodex in my 1874 Shiloh Sharps due to it forming hydrochloric acid in its residue. Where he learned that from, I don't have a clue. The more moisture avail in the atmosphere the more rapidly it'll rust your guns. Both BP & Pyro residues are hydroscopic, but Pyro is more aggressive in its absorption and faster to convert that to rust.
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"No I ain't ready, but if you are, go ahead"
14 hours ago, Tn Tombstone said:However a nod of the head does not cut it.
Why? Works fine for rodeo riders...
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Might I suggest Horse Soldier, 1851–1880 The Frontier, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Indian Wars by Randy Steffen as a reference guide? It's been a number of years since I read it and don't recall if it'll have the info you seek, but still a handy reference.
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I was so hoping y'all would have said it was useless!
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From sometime in early 1991. We'd held our first shoot in June of 1990, and I believe this was probably around Jan/Feb of 1991. North Texas Shooter's Association. Later that year, Deacon, Warlock & I were founding members of LSFSC. Thanksgiving of 1991 we held our first annual "Roundup", hosting 150 folks.
Standing, l -r: Deacon Dean, Wyoming Red, Unk., Zeno Mallot, Unk., Warlock;, kneeling l-r: One of the two guys from Tyler... I should remember, but don't, & me...
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On 5/28/2025 at 6:22 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:
Early 2000 Sadly 3 of those guys are no longer with us and two don't shoot anymore, I guess I'm the last one standing. I'm the good looking one BTW
I took readin', writin' & 'rithmetic a long time ago, so's I struggle with this "new math" stuff. And ain't any of 'em fellers sittin'. He'p us out here!
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1 hour ago, Nickle said:
The original 303 British load was 71.5 grains of black powder behind a 215 grain bullet.
Try to duplicate this load yourself. They somehow compressed this load way more than what a normal handloader can do.
Hmmm... I think I said: "...there are no 'hard-n-fast' rules with loading BP. I don't shoot any foreign cartridges.... I only know that in the .30-30 BP doesn't work well in BP form, some feel due to small bore size, others because of the bottleneck design. I know from my own .40-90 Sharps Bottle Neck that any compression at all increases group size, SD #s. It is problematic as the relatively short neck and although relatively shallow, the shoulder angle doesn't allow even compression over the whole powder stack. Conversely, the Winchester .32Special was offered as a smokeless round that was easily reloaded with BP. Wait.... I think I said... "there are no 'hard-n-fast' rules with loading BP.
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I guess I'll be the damp rag thrown on the flames of fun. Adding non-consumibles in the form of glitter, confetti, powdered chalk, etc. to your shotshells is great fun until it gets blown back into the eyes and airways of the posse & spectators.
On the subject of BP... refrain from its use during the height of fire season. Have a thought or two about the proximity and condition of the grass on your range. Even green grass can catch fire and spread quickly. 2ndly, BP does not NEED compression. It produces more consistent & lower SDs in straight walled cartridges under light compression, but can become compacted and act as a obstruction in bottle-necked cartridges. There are no "hard-n-fast" rules to loading BP cartridges, I've been shooting BP in my rifles since mid-1986 and have never compressed a load. I've used from as low as 25 grain of 2f to as much as 35 of Goex "Cartridge".
The one thing I like about APP is that I can shoot coated, plain, or smokeless lubed bullets.
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2 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:
I believe the Smith sight is one of a very few SASS legal receiver sights for plainsman. I sold my 45=70 Handi rifle wiht ejectors. I found it heavy for trying to move or load fast. I bought a 50-45 rolling block carbine. Actually used ny the Nave. Very short barrel. If I swept the block back like a hammered double it would eject and cock the hammer for the next round. Original site was for 200 yards! Bought a new front blade and filed it down for 50 yards. 50-45 is just a cut down 50-70.
I don't believe there is ANY receiver sight that's SASS legal in all of cowboydom. The Smith Ladder sight Coffinmaker refers to is barrel mounted
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PS: To my knowledge, there is no cowboy category or side match where a Lyman 66 rear sight is legal. While receiver mounted peep sights are legal in the Teddy Roosevelt category for Wild Bunch, I'm not sure if the Lyman 66 or Williams 5D line of receiver sights are accepted as "period correct" as per their rules. The only receiver sight for WB would be the Type 21, or "Climbin' Lyman" which was patented in 1895. The type 38 was patented in 1899 so I imagine it would be legal as well, As for any others I'd suggest asking on the WB forum.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the "BEST" rifle for Plainsman is a matter of personal choice... For me, I absolutely love my Browning 1885 LowWall in 45 Colt. But, I'm nowhere near a "Champion"... To find out what World Champion Plainsmen shoot you'll need to contact those winners directly, or those who may know. For the Modern Plainsmen, I'll guess it's a Handi-Rifle with its auto ejectors. See the results from the last EOT to know who they are: 2025 EOT Plainsman Results
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23 hours ago, SHOOTIN FOX said:
A nickel case will ruin the finish on the other brass. Use one tablespoon of Hornady brass cleaner with pins. Comes out like new brass.
This is not a "hard & fast" rule/fact/given. I have a mixture of .32-40 cases. About 60 Winchester "Duke" nickel cases and about 120 brass cases mixed between, Win, R-P. I load the nickel cases w/ BP and the brass cases w/ smokeless. I wet tumble 'em together w/ pins & a Dawn dishing pod, no lemi-shine or other additives. I believe they all come out shiney.
Yes, I included a bunch of .30-30 cases along with the .32-40 to fill up the batch.
Water quality, hard/soft/treated will vary your results.
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5 minutes ago, Dapper Dave said:
Hmm....we don't USE dryer sheets...but we could start...
I've found two quarters of a paper towel works just as well.
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Larsen, that's good work. Kudos for taking on the challenge and seeing it thru successfully! It's too bad the rest of their tomato stakes are so heavy!
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2 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:
Misspelled Judah's name even though we shoot we each other at least twice a month!...
If he shot me... I'd misspell his name too!😁
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On 5/23/2025 at 5:51 PM, Dapper Dave said:
BTW, I forgot to mention - when I said the pistol got hot, I wasn't kidding - it was 107 degrees on the firing line.
Might I offer a suggestion? Shade. Even here in Texas we appreciate the actuality of it. I've traveled all over AZ, and know there's lots of it there. It might take a little effort to find it in some locales... but trust me... it's worth it!🫠
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Derringer Recommendations
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Btt... but... but... ain't they cool looking peeking out of a vest pocket? 😉