H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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52 minutes ago, Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 said:
I the list price of the gun & unit is $479 you would think that just the unit could be priced fairly reasonable??
That's $497 Canadian, in a store in Canada.
That's $352.80 American. Reasonable price. But I need a store in the USA.
Getting just the unit and installing it on an old Hopkins & Allen would be fun, but I have a feeling that they are so purpose built that they can't be just bolted on to a random single shot. -
I have always wondered about this. On the one hand, if you commit a crime, there should be consequences.
But on the other, the blanket lifetime ban is troubling. Once you are released from prison, you have "paid your debt to society" and your rights are returned to you, except for the right to own and carry a gun. It essentially amounts to perpetual punishment.
Now, perhaps for some specific crimes, as determined by law, this might be advisable. But at least for non-violent crimes, it seems like overkill.
Of course, this has far reaching implications beyond just gun rights. The arguments against a lifetime prohibition on gun ownership could just as easily be applied to things like a "sex offender registry." Of course, owning a gun is a right. Keeping your criminal past a secret is not a right.
It's complicated.-
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14 hours ago, Bulldog7906 said:
I am looking for an affordable "new to me" option, either used or new.
This one looks pretty affordable.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1188900733
Might be just about perfect for our game...
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9 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:
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Okay... Just watched the video. That is wicked cool! I wonder if it'll do better with Magtechs?
Ugh... Screw in chokes.
I'd be very seriously considering taking it to a gunsmith to have the finish redone in something more traditional looking.
Can you imagine having one of these at a shoot and seeing the stage instructions say, "Shotguns may be stoked!"
I wonder how much they will go for if they are imported into the USA. -
Darn! I want one!
No way they ever could, or should, be SASS Legal.
But you know, if anyone ever organized, not a category, but a Steampunk SIDEMACTH, where the premise is to take 1800's tech to a logical, or even goofy, extreme, this would fit in. Right along with a shoulder stocked Broomhandle for the rifle and a pair of Mare's Legs for the pistols.
Nah... Never happen.
But I do have to say that the pics look like it has been far to modernized for my liking.
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2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:
"English is the product of a Saxon warrior trying to make a date with an Angle bar-maid",
I like it. I've heard something similar over the years.
"English is the result of Norman nobles consorting with Saxon maidens, and the resulting language is no more legitimate than any of the other fruits of those unions."
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Part of the beauty of English, and the part that drives non native speakers mad, is how we have multiple terms that essentially mean the same thing. We also have words that, if by strict definition the usage is "incorrect," it is usually perfectly understandable to almost everyone because colloquial usage has shifted with time. I think that's okay, irregardless of what the grammar snobs may try to assert.
But I would like to find me one of them thar 50 caliber clips I heard tell about.-
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Now, I'll freely admit that mine is a minority opinion, but, as others have said, it is what works best for me.
I feel that the ideal length for a barrel is 30" with a full choke. This is the exact opposite of what most will say, who will tell you 20" with no choke.
Let me tell you how I arrived at this opinion. My first ever shotgun that I used for SASS is a 20" no choke Winchester 97. It was purchased to be used for that purpose. I bought it because I thought the gun was really cool looking, and that it would be fun to use. These opinions have not changed. My second shotgun that I only used occasionally, was a 19" Parker with no choke. This gun I had from my father. I will never change my mind that the Parker was, and remains the best double barrel shotgun ever many in this or any country in the whole wide world. Some will tell you that they are too nice to use in our game. Well, poppycock. Sure, if you've got a $25,000 one I'd be hesitant too. But decent condition shooters can still be had for less than $1000, so go for it, if that's what suits your fancy.
Now, as much fun as both of these guns are to shoot, I had a problem with them; far too often I failed to knock down the shotgun targets. I figured maybe I was doing something wrong. It certainly wasn't my ammo. I was using the same load my Dad used for a years as a trap shooter, and in the Parker, it's a real shoulder thumper. I don't know if I wasn't aiming properly, if the pattern was too spread out, or what. It was just reality. But I had no idea what could be done to correct the issue, other than keep practicing.
Anyway, after I'd been in the game for a couple of years, I decided I wanted to get a "long barreled" 97, just to have one. Found one with a 30" full choke barrel for a good price, and all was well with the world. It was a bit more worn than my original 97, but it was still a useable gun. I decided I would take it to my next shoot, just for a lark, to see how it shoots. Well, to my surprise, I found myself acquiring the SG targets faster, and my failures to knock them down all but vanished. In fact, on the rare occasion when it still happens, I know what I did wrong; I was too quick on the trigger and fired before I was properly aimed at the target. I can't prove it, but I think the tighter pattern from the long, choked barrel hits harder than the more spread out one because more of the pellets actually HIT the target instead of going around it. I can't prove that, but that's my story, and I am sticking too it. Or, more simply, I just know I hit more reliably with the longer, tighter choked, barrel.
Not too long after that, I found a 30" Parker with F/F chokes, and it has MUCH less recoil than the short barrel one does. That is, perhaps, important as well. Longer barrel means more weight, means less recoil. (I have also switched to a lighter load, but that's a different topic. Even with my Dad's trap load, the heavier gun is much more pleasant to shoot.)
So anyway, there's my reasoning for why longer barrels are better.
For what it is worth, the 30" Parker remains my number 2 gun, but I have to admit that I've been using it and other doubles more often this year for various reasons, and are finding them to be a different kind of fun. My primary shotgun, is still a 97, I just switched to a Black Diamond Trap Model when I finally found one that didn't break the bank.
Good luck, and happy shooting.
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1 hour ago, J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE said:
Now a Mare's leg Henry... that would be cool
Well, that would be a Volcanic...
But seriously, or well, as serious as such a topic can be, I am starting to feel that Mare's Leg Fever is just as dangerous as the Lightning Bug. Only the huge expense of customization and legal issues keep it at bay. -
1 hour ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:
I have several number threes but.
I'm still looking for a Beretta Laramie.
Ditto,
Wow, talk about an old thread resurfacing.
Just for kicks, I have more Model 3's than I did 4 years ago when I posted what I have.
Here's the updated collection...
From top to bottom...
Cimarron Uberti American, 45 Colt.
S&W New Model 3, .38-44
Cimarron Uberti American .44 Special
S&W New Model 3, .44-40
Navy Arms Uberti Schofield, .45 Colt.
S&W Third Model Schofield .45 S&W.
S&W Model 3 DA, .44-40.
Still no Laramie or Russian. Would love to find one of each in .45 Colt, then I'll have all the replicas in the same caliber.
I'd love to have a New Model 3 in .32-20. But, S&W never made them, and none of the reproduction makers do either. Oh well.
I also have this...
Looks like a New Model 3, right? Well, it isn't. This is a Model 1891 in 38 S&W. It's about 3/4 the size of a NM3, and is only a 5 shooter.
There's also this....
This sorta looks like the model 3 DA, but is only about half the size, and is a .32 S&W. They called it the Double Action Fourth Model. They really got a lot of mileage out of this basic design.
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11 minutes ago, Howlin Mad Murdock SASS #4037 said:
The number of SxS shotguns with ejectors is very small, and pretty much non-existent among the more recent manufacturers and importers.
I've been looking for one for years and haven't found one yet.See if you can find an Ithaca Flues. They are not all that expensive, and they have ejectors. Or at least the random one I acquired turned out to have them.
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58 minutes ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
I would like one now and while I am at it have Nate Kiowa Jones take my Rossi Ranch Hand and turn that into a more realistic Mares Leg like has done.
How about one of these?
This one is made by Chiappa, and is a .44 Magnum. They also make them in .44-40 and .45 Colt, and they also make a non takedown version. The loop on this one is aftermarket. The "D Lever" that they put on is not a D like the Rifleman or Stagecoach rifles. It's about half the size of this one. I had their "Rio Bravo" lever installed instead. Other than that, it's all factory stock. Very smooth right out of the box. Comparable to a real Winchester. You pay for it, but it's worth it.16 minutes ago, Stump Water said:Can't forget the bolt action, scoped rifle... that he shot left handed.
Oh yeah! Back to the Future Part III. Doc Brown uses a 66 rifle with a loop like the above and is all tricked out Steampunk style.
Don't know why Stumps comment about a bolt action made me think of it, but it did.
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5 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:
When a good friend passed, his wife asked our mutual gunsmith to help dispose of his guns and gear and I got a bunch of his 12ga brass shells, related components, and a set of CH4D 12ga dies for brass shells. These ain’t cheap, big they’re, (in my opinion) the pinnacle of options for reloading brass shotgun shells! They greatly improve and streamline the entire process. One die sizes and deprimes the shell and the other seats the over shot card and applies a perfect roll crimp to the finished shell which makes them much easier to load into any kind of shotgun! The roll crimp also eliminates any need for applying an adhesive to secure the over shot card.
I agree with almost all of this. Only the last sentence will I take issue with. Now, about 99% of the time, it is an accurate statement, but every once in a while, the overshot card can somehow wiggle its way out of the case, spilling shot all over the place. So, with MUCH reluctance, I started gluing them in place with Elmer's after crimping. Maybe I just need to crimp more, but, I wanna keep it minimal. -
4 hours ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
First, I was kidding
Second I know there were 3 rifles, 2 Winchester and one El Tigre that would get thrown on the ground
Third I believe someone did give Chuck Connors one
Fourth, Robert Mitchum did have a D lever, with the screw, when he throws it to John Wayne you can plainly see it, John Wayne’s is his style.
So normally HK I am on your side but not this time. Thought this was supposedly a fantasy post, more about whimsical observations. But I would be willing to bet that it was borrowed from The Rifleman prop dept. However it is not that important to me and I have packing to do for my move. Have a nice Sunday.In all fairness, it's been over a year since I saw Rio Bravo, so I may be misremembering the details.
Keeping track of all the Hollywood weirdness is...
Very difficult.I never seen anything like these in an old Western though.
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13 hours ago, Alpo said:
Bones. Booth is a Catholic. Bones and Booth make the beast with two backs, the result of which is Christine. They move in together for a couple of years. Then they finally get married. They are going to get married in the church. Bones doesn't believe and she knows that it would mean a lot to Booth so she is going to let that happen.
This touches on something that really annoys me. You have a character on a TV show, who in almost every way lives in a way that is contrary to their stated faith, and then it suddenly becomes important for some reason.
If Bones cared about being a good Catholic, he would not have been sleeping with Christine before they got married.
There is an episode of Big Bang theory where Bernadette makes a big deal about how she can't lie because she went to Catholic school. And yet, she's sleeping with Howard out of wedlock.
There's the episode of Friends where Ross is all paranoid about his kid celebrating Hanukkah because he's Jewish, when the rest of the time he is portrayed as an atheist.
There are many other examples across many TV shows and probably many movies. I find it to be very bad writing. -
1 hour ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
Who else believes that Johnny Crawford asked Chuck Connors if he could “borrow” one of the Winchester “D” loop 92’s so Robert Mitchum could use it in El Dorado?
Not me.
Compare Chuck's rifle to Mitchum's. The shape of the lever is very different.
Also, Chuck didn't own the "his" rifle. It was a studio owned prop, and he didn't get to keep it when the show ended.
I am more likely to believe that story that the Chuck's rifle is the same one John Wayne used in Stagecoach. I'm not 100% certain, but the resemblance is there. The documentary evidence is contradictory though. -
Maybe 30 years ago, I was called. We were welcomed and it was explained to us it was one day or one trial. That's the rule in Massachusetts. Wait here till you are called in to see if you'll be seated on a jury. At noon they told us to go to lunch and be back by 1:15. At about 1:30, someone came out and said no juries being seated today. Thank you all for coming. Go home. You can not be called again for 5 years.
I have duty again next Tuesday. But I am to call on Monday to see if I need to report or not.
Jury selection is one of the few things Massachusetts does right. -
55 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:
After 10 seasons running Mag Tech, only two or three needed resizing. Chamber and come out of all three of my Hammer Doubles without any problems.
This is a very good point. To resize or not resize is going to greatly depend on how many different guns you run them in. I don't know what Colorado's doubles are, but all 6 chambers must have very close to the same dimensions.
Me, between 5 doubles, 3 singles, 5 97s, 2 87s, a 93, a Burgess, and even occasionally in my 870, I've got a lot more variation to deal with, which is why I always resize. In other words, your milage will vary on that front -
The Magtechs use Large Pistol Primers. So do, if you come across them, vintage Remington and Winchester ones.
Originally, I used the RCBS dies, and as long as the only shotgun I tried them in was my 97, there was no problem. But after I got my original 87 Winchester, and tried them in the Parker, better resizing was needed.
So, I got the CH4D dies. These do require lubing.
Anyway,After the hulls are clean and primed, for 12 gauge, I load put in 12 grains of Red Dot.
Then I put 1 of these...
https://www.buffaloarms.com/circle-fly-1-2-fiber-shotgun-cffiber.html 11 gauge.
Then I put 4 of these...
https://www.buffaloarms.com/circle-fly-135-nitro-shotgun-cfnitro.html 11 gauge.Depending on how heavy I want it to hit 1, or 1-1/8 ounce of shot.
Then I put an overshot card, 11 gauge again.
Use the die to put a very slight taper crimp, and then use Elmer's Glue to make sure it won't fall out.
I do pretty much the same for 16 and 20 gauge, except I use 12 grains of Green Dot. Haven't experimented with .410 yet, but that's coming.
And yes, you CAN use smokeless in these things. Been doing it for years. If for some reason you want a heavier load for hunting, you can increase the 12 gauge load to 16.4 grains of Red Dot, but in a lighter gun, it'll be a shoulder thumper.-
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I can usually find old posts that I made.
I Google "HK Uriah SASS (topic)" and there is a good chance it will come up.
Sometimes the results are more obvious than others, but it generally does work. -
5 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:
Cool? Yes.
$7,000 cool? No.
Agreed. Which is why they still own it, and I don't!
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Now, in a reversal of the conventional wisdom around here, I prefer long barrels on my shotguns. The longer the better, I say. But, I just stumbled across this one with a factory 22" barrel that I'd obtain in a heartbeat, if I could afford it.
It seems that the folks over at IMA-USA have got a prison issue Winchester 93 for sale.
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-winchester-model-1893-12-gauge-pump-action-riot-shotgun-marked-to-yuma-prison-with-factory-lettered-22-barrel-one-of-42-made-serial-no-24192a-manufactured-in-1896?variant=45371946631237&trk_msg=KS35PB2RN5G4R66JJIPLB47FO0&trk_contact=TK7UBRPONA2BAF9BR5G5QKK5GG&trk_sid=BB4VDVGCODOORO7LQJE4QHOUB8&trk_link=KFAF3LFHMGFK7CCLC653CKQCJ4&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=View+product+recommended+for+you&utm_campaign=20260718&utm_content=20260718
Yes, you read that correct, this is a 93, not a 97. Sadly, that makes it not SASS legal, but so what? This looks remarkably incredible. I mention it here in the hopes that someone who know, understands, and loves old Winchesters will scarf it up, rather than some unknows collector. -
3 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:
Or Junior High School to Middle School.
Technically there is a difference. Jr, High is always just 7th and 8th grade. Middle school adds 6th, and sometimes 9th to that mix. Also, th structure of the schooling is traditionally different. The day to day experience of Jr. High was always pretty much the same as High School. but middle schools tended to be structured with a different way of doing things.
SAA Conversions
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Posted · Edited by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
An interesting aspect of collecting SAAs is that you will sometimes come across ones that have been converted from their original factory calibers to something else. I have three First Generations that this has been done to. Two of them have been converted to .32-20 from .44-40. Apparently this was a common mod that was done in the 1920's and 1930's for some reason. I'd assume people just wanted one in the small caliber, and it was easier or less expensive to convert an existing one than to buy a new one. Strange, but understandable. Both of mine were very well done. One of them it is rather obvious when you take a close look, but the other one was clearly done so long ago and so carefully that if I didn't have a factory letter saying it was built as a .44, I'd think it was all original.
The third one is a very odd duck. It began life as a Bisley in .32-20, and is now a standard SAA in .22 Hornet. This one is far more intriguing to me. Both of my .32-20s I got because they were .32-20s and I wanted guns in that caliber. But this one, I did a double take when I saw it, and grabbed it rather quickly. Even though it is not factory original, it is quite a fascinating bit of custom work. And I think this opens the door to the most interesting part of the topic; how many SAAs are floating around out there, not only not in their original caliber, but that may have been changed to a caliber that Colt never offered? Or perhaps only offered in very limited numbers. It is an intriguing question. Barring any documentation, which is probably the case for 99-44/100% of them, there is no way of knowing who did the mods, when they were done, or why, but I do find the question an interesting one to ponder.
Some would say that "collecting" such guns is foolish. Because of the modifications, they have "no collector value." Well, maybe in the strictest sense of collecting this is true, but not everyone collects for "investment value." Some collect just because a particular piece is of interest to them. My .44-40 to .32-20 conversions are nothing special. But that .22 Hornet conversion has made me want to start looking for more things in strange calibers. Maybe there's an SAA floating around out there in .25-20. Or some other caliber that they were never made in.
Anything is possible.
Anyone have anything that "qualifies?"