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H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

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Posts posted by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

  1. But SLIM,


    what category would there be for someone shooting an unaltered Colt buntline in .45 in their left hand, and a Ruger 'SASS' Vaquero in the right hand? ;)







    You mean like when once a year I take out my 12" Buntline and my 3" Sheriff's Model, both nickeled in .44 Special?


    Sheriff Buntline to the rescue!

  2. What say you H.K? I know you have a few Colts. Is your 44 Mag heftier than a standard SAA?


    Well, that's a question that calls for some photographs. :)


    Let's start by taking a look at a First Generation made in 1881 that started life as a .44-40 that has been redone as a .32-20




    Up next is a Second Generation .45 made in 1971




    Next is a Third Generation .44 Special. Not sure exactly when it was made.




    Sorry about the Buntline nature of this one, but it's the only "long barreled" 3rd Gen I have.


    And finally, here's the Uberti .44 Magnum.




    Comparing the four revolvers, they feel pretty much the same in the hand, and at a glance to they don't look all that different to me. The one that is most similar to the Uberti is the .45, and they feel to weigh about the same.


    But let's take a closer look at some of the details.




    Upper Left is the 1st Gen, Upper right the 2nd, lower left is the 3rd and lower right is the Uberti.


    The topstrap of the First is noticeably thinner than the 2nd and 3rd, while Uberti is clearly thicker than the Colts. And that's not all.




    The cylinder on the left is the .44 Special from the 3rd Generation Buntline.

    The one on the right is from the .44 Magnum Uberti.


    It is very easy to see how the Magnum cylinder is just a little bit "beefier" than the Colt.


    And then there is this...




    As you can see the Uberti Magnum cylinder is just a little bit longer than the Colt one. A quick check confirmed for me that 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Colts all have the same length cylinder, regardless of caliber. I also checked a couple of others at random and made it a point to check my ASM and my other Uberti that are both in .45, and they have the same length cylinder as the Colts. I am gonna assume that Uberti made this cylinder longer so that it would not accidentally dropped into a gun without the thicker frame.


    So to answer Driftwood's original question, yes, the Magnum does seem to be slightly heftier than a standard SAA.


    Oh, and according the box it's an S.A. Buckhorn revolver. Imported by American Arms and made by Uberti.


    Okay, that's it. Comments?

  3. Well, today I made a great fine, a Uberti SAA clone with a 7.5" barrel for $390. And it was in .44 Magnum! Always wanted an SAA type pistol in this caliber, and it was amazing to find one here in Massachusetts.


    I doubt very much that I'll ever fire "full power" loads in it even though I know it would be perfectly safe to do so.




    1. Anybody here have one of these things?

    2. Anybody who has one ever fire full power loads in it, and if so what's the recoil like?

  4. I need help with the reloading dies of the 45-70

    What are the best dies

    I am using the Redding 80209

    with the Lee factor crimp

    the bullet setter is not working on 500gr projectiles

    Please let me know what dies to get?



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  5. I looked it up. The NFA '34 actually does call them "Silencers." What is all this "Suppressor" terminology?


    That said, their is one SASS legal pistol that can use a silencer. The Nagant. I got 2 of 'em.... :)

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  6. If your side match is speed based, it'll be too slow.

    If your side match in accuracy based, it'll be just fine.


    I've been to a few big matches that have both. I tend to use something DA in the speed ones, but my Merwin & Hulbert Spur trigger .38 in the accuracy ones.

  7. Trail Boss.


    I started out with 4198, but while the "Trapdoor safe" loads were fine in my 1884 Trapdoor RIFLE, were real shoulder thumpers in my 1873 Trapdoor Carbine and 86 Winchester with a 20" barrel.


    Switched to Trailboss and now it is a very pleasant round to shoot in all those guns.

  8. I believe that a .56-.50 is a .50 caliber round. The Spencer cartridges are the diameter at the base and the moth diameter. The .56 Spencer was the first Spencer cartridge amd was renamed .56-.56 when the rifle started being offered in other chamberings.


    How about a .56-.50 revolver with a cylinder that spins around a 12 gage barrel, like a LeMat? Talk about a weapon of mass destruction!


    Yes, the 56-50 Spencer is a .50 caliber cartridge. Uses .512" bullets. (Just like the .50 Browning, but not the same ones!)


    The 56-56, 56-50 and 56-40something all used the same cartridge case. The smaller bullets just had more crimp in them. At least, that's how they are described in the articles I have read.

  9. Based on the original post, I figured the stage was probably written something like this...


    Draw first pistol and engage target

    Make pistol safe

    Use shotgun to engage target twice

    Make Shotgun safe

    Use rifle to engage target

    Make Rifle safe

    Use Shotgun to engage target twice

    Make Shotgun safe

    Draw second pistol and engage target.



    Seems pretty straightforward to me. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

  10. The first problem would be is that it would be an NFA registered firearm. A handgun over .50 caliber would require a tax stamp. Not overly hard to do. Hamilton Bowen built a .575/585 caliber revolver a number of years ago. But it did require BATFE approval and stamp.



    I have wondered about that.


    If the Spencer rifle does not require a stamp, why would a pistol in the SAME caliber need one?

  11. Is it just me, or does the thought of a single action revolver chambered for the 56-50 Spencer round sound really cool?


    I mean, if they can make those .50 caliber super magnums then certainly one for this old and relatively calmer cartridge would be possible.


    Purely speculative of course.

  12. Contrary to apparently popular belief, Gunfighters do not have to draw both pistols at the same time. The one time I tried Gunfighter, there was a state with split pistols. I shot it double duelist. Caused some confusion but somebody checked they handbook and saw that it was a perfectly legal way to do it.

  13. PPU ammo is very nice quality. And no longer made under communist management. And makes reasonable empty brass to reload.


    It is, however, not made in USA. :lol:


    Good luck, GJ



    My experience with PPU is excellent. Especially in .30 Tokarev. Great brass, about the same price as that "Red Army Standard" stuff, but is reloadable. They also have good .30 Mauser stuff. Very inexpensive compared to some of the others in both of these calibers. A great way to get brass for both of these harder to find calibers.


    They even make affordable ammo in that weird Nagant cartridge.


    Not sure what else they have available.


    I wonder how many people that criticize the M-9 have spent much time learning how about it and how to shoot it. It has a far longer production history than the 1911 and has been as much combat as the 1911.




    I have one made in 1913. Used it at End of the Trail last year. Colt is STILL making them in one form or another.


    The M9 is no where near over 100 years old, and even though I have one, I doubt very much if after it is itself over 100 that my theoretical grandson will wanna shoot it in a competition.

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  15. Sounds like your crew has about 46.23% of the 44SP guns used in SASS competition.


    I must have another 4% I've got 2 Sheriffs models, that accounts for .5 since the barrels are so short. I also have a 12" Buntline that accountes for 3.5 since the barrel is so long.



    That being said, a few years ago, I saw an original Russian in an antique store for $300 that was in excellent condition. I didn't buy it cuz I didn't wanna tool up for a new caliber and it could not safely be converted to .44 Special.


    I have regretted that decision ever since.

  16. Does that mean a lot of used Berettas will be going on sale?


    Not unless we get a new law to allow it. See, this is why I thought that the law that authorized the sale of 1911 .45s via the CMP should have said, "Any surplus pistols regardless of caliber or action type." While we're at it, let's let just the law authorize it without needing the Secretary of the Army's permission and not limit the total to 10000 a year.


    (I hope someone suggests this to President Trump!)

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