H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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There was an article in the Garand Collectors Association magazine 2 issues ago about someone who shoots 3 gun with an M-1 instead of an M-16 derivative. Got a few odd looks, but everyone thought it was super cool. I even wrote in to the magazine and suggested paring the M1 with a 1911 instead of a Wonder9 and using a M97 Winchester instead of a modern shotgun with an extended magazine to complete the "theme." They printed my response, along with a few other along the same lines.
Now, I know of no W3G clubs here in New England. But if there was one, I would like to try it.
But you know, nothing in the "regular" 3-gun rules would prevent me from showing up with my S&W New Model 3, Uberti made 66 and my 97 and going to town. Sure, I'd have to reload a lot, but I betcha everyone would think it was awesome....
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Whenever I got any kind of a gun, if I didn't already have ammo, I would buy a box or two of new ammo. This was especially true for *some* of my SASS guns, because I couldn't find brass any other way. Not had to do that in a long time though.
I have found that even "Cowboy" commercial ammo is much hotter than I like it to be.
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Howdy
I own three of them, and I can tell you from experience that they were not 'ahead of their time'. They were simply an alternative design for a cartridge revolver because S&W had all the patents sewn up for Top Breaks. Not so incredibly precise to machine either, as many seem to think.
My hat will be off to any company that can produce them, for they were a truly unique design. But I gotta tell ya, it is quicker to reload a Top Break than it is to reload a Merwin.
I have two M&H revolvers, a pocket, spur trigger model in .38 S&W and a full size in .44-40. Both are neat old guns that are fun to shoot. As Driftwood as said it is quicker to reload a Top Break than a Merwin, but the Merwin IS quicker than a Colt. To an extent. Driftwood will also tell you that it is is very easy for some shooters (me) to forget about the Merwin's really nifty unloading trick, but I'll let him tell you about that. (Assuming he remembers)
An interesting thing about the Merwin is that the action is identical to the S&W New Model 3, to the point where parts are interchangeable. This has been confirmed to me by more than one gunsmith as well as the evidence of my own eyes. I seem to recall another gun that used the same innards, but can't remember what it was. So, while the ejection method was unique and interesting to look at, the rest of the design was pretty standard for its day.
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I have several riles that I use...
A (real) Henry, 66, 73, several 92's, a Spencer and a Lightning.
I enjoy them all, but the Lightning is my personal favorite. (Go fig)
I did get a chance to use a .38 Big Boy at a match recently when I had a problem with my own rifle. I found it to be be a little awkward, loading like a .22, and the action was, to me, a little clunky feeling. In spite of that, it worked the way it was supposed to, and I never had any problems with it. It was also accurate as all get out, which impressed me. The only real drawback I experienced was hot gasses burning my right wrist upon brass ejection. (I shoot left handed.) I assume the Marlin has a similar problem for those of us of a sinister nature (look it up) but I do not know from experience.
Bottom line; based upon actually SHOOTING a Big Boy, I found it to be functional, but something that did not appeal to me for various reasons.
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Atz a good question Roy.
The rifle shown in the picture is a vintage 1866. Don't know if there giving that one away or not. Winchester (Miroku) is purported to be making a "new" 1866, but other than the one on display at the shot show, nobody I know has seen hide nor hair of the new manufacture 1866.
Would be good/bad if it's the one in the picture. Good .... a collectable 1866 (yuck) that you can't get ammunition for. Bad .... a collectable 1866 you can't get ammunition for. I'd actually like to see the Miroku 1866. I really like Brass Rifles (4 Henrys and an 1866).
Coffinmaker
PS: Make that a consumer priced Miroku 1866. The "Commemorative" is just a couple of bucks out of my budget.
Well, you could always track down and install a centerfire conversion bolt....
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I load both with 200 grain bullets and an identical charge of powder. With smokeless I observe no significant difference in similar guns. When I load up for lotsa smoke, the .45 does have a bit more snap than the .44.
That's a nice, practical, unscientific comparison!
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Sorry Kreps ,I will be shooting Gunfighter Steam Punk this winter here in East Tennessee. The guys and gals that shoot cowboy here let a NY Yankee in. So now comes Steam Punk Gunfighter.
New York is NOT a part of New England. There is therefore no such thing as a NY Yankee. (Other than that improperly named baseball team)
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No dog in this fight, as I am not interested in trying it, but it does sound like fun for those who are interested. But I would like to offer some questions and/or comments.
1. There is nothing to prevent someone who likes the costume aspects of "steampunk" from dressing that way if they want to, unless they were shooting in a different costume category with specific requirements.
2. It could be argued that steampunk could be a part of B Western, especially since Best of the West is mentioned.
3. Since part of the idea of steampunk is to take late 1800's technology to its practical extreme, that is to say pushing the limits of what was possible, or at least theoretically possible, it seems to me that a requirement for a repeating shotgun (97 or 87) would make more sense than allowing any SASS legal shotgun. (Other firearms options would require this to be a sidematch instead of something that can be done as an option at a main match, so I will not voice them)
4. I think this is a great idea for an unofficial category and look forward to seeing it from time to time.
5. Why no gunfighter style?
6. There is no idea/question number 6.
7. Would a traditional cowboy hat be considered legitimate for this category? "Any Victorian head gear constructed of Felt, Straw, cloth or leather. Including but not limited to: Pith helmets, Military caps, Deer Stalkers, and leather flight helmets." That would seem to indicate that it is. Key words being "any," and "not limited to," suggests it would. But for some reason I am wondering.
8. I have to admit that I have never seen anyone dressed up steampunk. (Perhaps I am unlucky) How popular is it in "reality?" Is to more of a regional thing?
9. I wonder if there is any way to involve real steam into the category. (Well, not really, but it would be cool to see steam coming out of someone's hat.)
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Making a wild guess at the third one, but was that black rifle on top made by mattel?
Note my other 2 original guesses were already guessed and were wrong.
I also think I see a smith and wesson, but don't know how to describe it's location because it's kind of in the middle. It's the double action revolver that's got a medallion at the top of the grips.
I feel like giving off a good natured chuckle.
The black rifle on top is indeed a Colt. And there are no S&W's in this picture. Everything is a Colt, (or in three cases, a copy thereof)
As far as the DA's go, starting with the one directly under the tigger guard of the Lighting, that is Model 1894 DA 38. Genuine GI surplus. Beneath that is M1909, .45 Colt also Genuine GI surplus Beneath that is an M1917, .45 ACP, GI surplus. Directly under the white framed .22 (A real Colt) are a pair of Lightning revolvers, both in .38 Long Colt. Below all the others are a pair of Colt 1878's The top one is a .44-40, and the bottom is a .45 Colt, genuine GI surplus.
I don't think anyone's gonna get the third "non Colt." It's the bottom 1911. (Or the only 1911A1 if you wanna get technical) It is genuine GI surplus, but it was made by Remington Rand during WW2.
Thanks for playing everyone!
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I bought a copy of GUNS magazine in 1986 that had a picture of a Winchester on the cover. (A model 71) Among other things there was an article in the magazine about a new sport called "End of the Trail Shooting," that intrigued me. In the early 2000's, I finally gave it a try after wanting to do so ever since reading the article.
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I'll add one other bit of info as to why a lunch break is pretty much universal here in New England, even if it's it BYOB. Going to a local eatery after the shoot would be, at least in Massachusetts, against the law. Leaving your guns unattended in even a locked vehicle is forbidden.
The other states may vary in that regard, especially NH, VT and possibly Maine, but CT and RI are, I believe similar.
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I shoot double Duelist.
I mostly shoot Colts with barrel lengths ranging from 3 to 12 inches. (Sometimes I pair one of my 3s with my single 12)
Most of my Colts are in the 5.5 or 7.5" range, although my favorite pair are a 4-3/4 and a 5.5 inch set. (Shot EoT clean with 'em this year!)
I also occasionally make use of a pair of 58 Remingtons, or I mix and match a 75 Remington, a Scofield, a Merwin and Hulbert, a S&W New Model 3 or a pair of Nagants.
Calibers range from .32-20 to .45 Colt. Normally I shoot smokeless, but I have played with black a little bit for fun.
In other words, shoot what you like, the way you like it, and have fun. There is no right or wrong answer, just what you enjoy.
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I have 2 Uberti 58's and a real Remington. All are cartridge converted.
I'd assume Piettas are similar enough to the others that this information will be of use to you.
Operation wise they are not all that different from a Colt. They fit the hand well, and I don't really notice any appreciable difference in them. The "shape" is a little different of course, but not so dramatically that it feels weird to me.
I will say this...
Both of my Uberti's and the real Remington developed some timing issues. It seemed to be exactly the same in the original as in the reproductions, which makes me wonder if it's a design flaw. A good gunsmith was able to fix the issue for me on all three pistols. I don't know if the Pietta has the same issue or not. Or if I just got very unlucky.
Good luck with the pistols and enjoy them.
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As far as keeping the Colt running, here's a good bit of info.
The 4-3/4" one in my picture is a .45, and it was my father's. Once I was at a three day shoot and I suddenly noticed that cylinder pin was missing. A quick look around and I saw it on the ground near where I was standing, but the screw pin thing that holds it in place was also missing, and I could not find it.
I took the pistol down to Hartford to have it fixed. Within two weeks they had mailed it back to me with the missing part replaced. They also replaced the hammer which unbeknownst to me had a broken half cock notch.
Total cost to me was $0.00. They really do mean it when they say a lifetime warranty.
However, there is a limit to that. When I tried to get them to fix something that was wrong with the .38 right under the trigger of the Lightning they said words to the effect of "Uhm... That's an old one that we don't make any more. Can't fix it cuz we don't have parts."
But the bottom line is, if you buy a third generation SAA, if it ever breaks, Colt will fix it free of charge.
I also know that if you've got a 2nd Gen, they will work on it. The nicer looking 7.5" one in the picture was unfired when I bought it, but the action was as rough as sandpaper. I took that back to the factory as well, and they did an action job on it for less than $50. It now has a very smooth, nice action that works fine. But this was NOT covered by the warranty.
I'd be willing to bet they won't look at a first gen gun.
Of course, I live in New England, so taking a trip down to Hartford is easy for me. But it is an option to keep your SAA's working if you have problems.
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Third gun is the DA revolver, second row, second gun below the Lightning. Base on the size of the grip hardware and the fact that many manufacturers in South America copied Colt and S&W designs.
Nope. That's a Colt 1909, .45 Colt, genuine US Army issue.
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Lower right 5-½", middle 1911, and Lightning.
Well, Griff, you are close. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
The Lighting rifle is an AWA The lower right 5-1/2" SAA is an Armi San Marco.
But the middle 1911 is a real Colt. It's one of the new original 1911's that they made in the early 2000's I took it back to Hartford and had them put the ambi safety on it at the factory.
Special recognition now goes to Griff for getting 2 of the 3. Good for you, Griff.
Shall I reveal the third, or does anyone else wish to guess?
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BONUS try:
the WHITE GRIP pistol
Top row, upper right pistol with the diamond mark on the grip.
The Buntline, third row.
..........Widder
Well, Widder, I am sorry to say, nope, nope and nope. All three of those are real Colts. The "WHITE GRIP" pistol is a 3rd Gen .44-40 Those are not the grips that came with the pistol however. They are a "Ivory laminate" grips that I found at a shop in Pennsylvania about 3 years ago that had the Colt logo on the package. (Which I kept.) As near as I can tell they are mostly wood, with a thin layer of ivory over the wood.
"Top row, upper right pistol with the diamond mark on the grip." That's a 1st Generation gun, in .32-20 According to the Colt letter I got for it, it was made in the 1880's as a .44-40. The mods are why I got it so cheap! Colt has no records of the change, but two different gunsmiths who know old Colts think it was probably done at the factory sometime in the 1020's That's jyst a guess, of course, but it still shoots well.
Interesting note: It letters as a nickel gun. All of it is nickel, except for the ejector rod housing which is blued.
The Buntline is a 3rd gen .44 Special.
Any other guesses?
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Here are most of my Colts. Many of which I use for SASS.
With three exceptions, these are all real Colts. The SAA's range from 1st to 3rd generation. The bottom middle one was my fathers. It and the one in the lower right hand corner were used along with the Lightning to shoot EoT clean earlier this year.
Special bonus recognition to anyone who can spot the 3 non Colts in the bunch.
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I have not bought a pair of Levi's since they stopped making them in this country.
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While a few clubs here in New England do advertise for shooters to "bring a lunch," most provide some sort of a hot meal.
I have seen things where there is a prepared lunch served buffet style which is included in the cost of the match, where you go back to the clubhouse where you can purchase a hamburger or something made to order for a very low price, where a food truck shows up, some sort of food vendor is there to cater the shoot, or a grill is set up to make burgers, hot dogs, sausages and so forth. Entirely up to discretion of the local club it seems. Usually we will shoot 3 or 4 stages before lunch and then 2 or 3 after. It seems to work well.
Most shoots start between 9 and 10, and the lunch break will start anywhere between 11:30 to 1:00 depending on how many stages are shot, how early/late we started, how many posses, how the food is made available, etc.
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These are my Lightnings. Both are in .38 Long Colt
The top one was made in 1880 something. The bottom 1900 something.
Cool, guns, fun to shoot. Very comfortable to shoot, but not SASS legal.
If the Cimarrons (Which are SASS Legal) feel anything like these old Colts, your wife should enjoy them just fine. In fact, you may like them so much that you'll decide you want a pair for yourself.
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A revolver has a cylinder with multiple chambers.
A 1911 type pistol is loaded via a detachable magazine
An M1 Garand rifle is loaded with a clip.
Mounted soldiers served in the Cavalry
Calvary is a hill outside of Jerusalem.
The Lemat is a weird but very cool looking pistol. It'd make a great gun to use at a "Steampunk" type match where you use weird things.
And so would this...
Where to find gun cart wheels?
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Check your local hardware store. That is where I got the wheels for my cart. If they don't have the exact/size you want in store, they may be able to order it.
Remember, the wheels are the things that allow you to push the cart over sometimes rough terrain. While the rest of the cart may very well look like something made in 1887 if you want it to be, completely modern wheels may be preferable just so you can move the think when it is weighted down with guns, ammunition, going uphill, over a gravel or dirt path, or any other myriad of things you'll see at the range.