H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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If anyone has purchased one of the so called "Range Grade" 1911's from the CMP, the ones that they say are shooters, not collectors, and probably modified in various ways, and you have determined that you actually don't want it after all, I might be interested in purchasing it from you. The only proviso is that I want one with an ambi safety, which the description said is a possibility. Doesn't matter all that much who made it. Other mods don't matter either. PM me if we might be able to do business.
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You know, if/.when it finally does hit the shelves, there will prolly be a huge run on it and it'll vanish again
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Well, the creek has risen....
The shoot I was gonna go to tomorrow has been cancelled for various reasons.
Don't worry, I will still do the comparison, I am just not sure when. But when I do, I will make the appropriate posts. -
46 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said:
I still have a pre '83 Winchester in45 Colt. The action was designed for rifle cartridges, so it isn't really suited for rapid fire pistol cartridges. I used it for one season, but went to the Uberti models after that. The '92, which I owned for a bit had smoother action, but it would have been better if it had been worked over.
I did not know Winchester made any in .45 Colt that early. The only pistol caliber m-94's I knew of prior to 83 were the .44 Magnums, and the .44-40 in the Winchester/Colt Commemorative set. When/where did you get yours? It might be a real rarity. Got pics?
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1 hour ago, Preacherman said:
Good luck! I started in'99 with a '94 in 44 mag. It was awful, a disaster and a mistake for cowboy shooting for me. Gone after 6 months. A common mistake for a cowboy newbie. Although for hunting, I bought a 16" 44 trapper and got the nicest 10 point of my hunting endeavors.
I always wanted to have one of these Pre-83 94's, just to have one in the collection. I very much doubt that unlike some other things I got for that reason that it will become a favorite go to main match gun.
I'd *almost* like to compare mine to a post-83 angle eject, safetied, rebounding hammer messed up one, but not really... -
Be the Good Lord willing, and if the creek don't rise, I plan to attend a shoot this Saturday. It is my intention to shoot half the match with a pre-safety Rossi 92, and the other half with a pre-83 Winchester 94. Both rifles will be in .44 Magnum. I figure this will be a good "apples to apples" comparison to see which gun is "better." The Winchester is out of the box stock and seems to have a nice, smooth action. The Rossi has had an action job by Happy Trails, but I specifically said I just wanted it smooth like real Winchester and not turned into a race gun. So, I figure these two rifles are of "comparable quality." Of course, they are very different, and it has been stated here on the Wire ad infinitum about how the M94 is not really suited to our game. Since this will be the first time I've ever tried to shoot a match with a 94, I will soon know how true that is. Now, I am a bottom 3rd shooter. (Maybe even lower, but I'm trying to be charitable.) But, I think it will be interesting to see how these guns compare. It is my hope to get someone to record me shooting, and I'll post the videos here if I do.
Hopefully, it'll be an intriguing experiment and the results will be fun to watch.
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The bullet never goes below the groove. If the bullet passes the groove, you've set it too deep into the case.
Depending on what powder you use, it will just come up to the groove, but never pass it, cuz that's where the bullet will be,
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I doubt it would be a problem. While not exact, the dimensions are similar, so both pistols should fit
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13 hours ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said:
PS lets someone not named on the box sign?
I can't tell you how many times a firearm has been shipped to my front door on my C&R, and it's just been left there with no one asking for a signature. Doesn't matter who the carrier was. UPS, FexEx, Postal Service. And, the sender asked for a signature. -
46 minutes ago, Bowtie747 said:
If so what pistols or lever actions do you chose?
Well, for pistols, I'd use a pair of Colts...
For a rifle, my first choice would be a Small Frame Colt Lightning, since I shoot a Medium Frame one as my primary Main Match rifle. But, I do occasionally shoot a Winchester, I'd practice with either an Uberti 66, which is basically a brass frame version of a reproduction of the Winchester 73 .22, or a 9422. That last one is one of the best lever .22s ever made.
Sorry, no pics of those rifles at the moment.
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6 hours ago, Red Rider Rudy said:
What load do you shoot in the shotgun. As I have one I've never shot.
Well, I haven't fired it yet.
I have done more research and learned that it was not 7mm, but a Rolling Block conversion of .58 caliber musket, prolly in the late 1860's. Then, much later, the Belgians rebarreled it to become a 12 Gauge shotgun.
Long story short, it'll only get black powder loads, loading in RMC all brass shells.
Hmm... It's a muzzle loader converted to become a breach loader by putting a new reciever on the original barrel. Then the original rifle barrel was swapped out for a shotgun one.
Sounds like my Grandfather's hammer that's had the handle replaced 3 times and the hammerhead twice!-
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For reasons I will explain below, I have wanted what I will call a "rifle caliber" Rolling Block for some time now. By rifle caliber, I mean a caliber that can't be chambered in a main match type pistol. Generically, I'd always figured I wanted one in .45-70, since I already loaded for the caliber, and is an easy one to load for.
When I began to search for one though, I found that ones in this caliber either don't show up very often, or they are are very expensive, or both. I considered 7mm Mauser, they seem to be plentiful and I do also load that caliber but I've read that there are some "issues" with the RB's in this caliber, so I was hesitant. Since I was in no hurry, I figured I'd just my time till one is a desirable caliber showed up for a reasonable price. In the back of my mind, I did not rule out .50-70, especially if I could find an Army Surplus one, and I learned there were other good calibers to consider. Then, about two weeks ago, I found an auction for one in .30-40 Krag! This is one of my favorite calibers, and the first one I started to reload for. I made a bid, but sadly, about a day before it ended, other people started bidding, and it soon reached a price that was, to me, unreasonable. Bummer.
But, that very day, I found one in .45-70 for a very reasonable price on a soon to end auction. I made a bid, no one out bid me, and I should have it in a few days, for about half the price that the .30-40 went for. Needless to say, I am pleased. Not only do I have my rifle caliber Rolling Block, it's in the caliber a originally wanted.
So, this will "complete" my Rolling Block collection!Pistol: Model 1901. .22LR
.22 Rifle: No. 4. .22LR
Pistol Caliber Rifle: No. 4. Converted to .32 S&W from .32 Rimfire.
Rifle Caliber Rifle: Exact Model TBD when I finally get it. .45-70
Shotgun: Model 1867, Model 1. 12 Gauge. Has Belgian proof marks. Likely converted from one that started life as a 7mm.
So now all I need is for someone to organize a "Single Shot" side match where you take two shots from each type of gun. I'll be able to do it with everything being the "same."
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2 hours ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said:
H.K.: They are probably replacement grips, hence no S&W logo on the grips. I have seen lots of European knockoffs of S&W revolvers over the years, and none of them look as authentic as Bowhunter61's revolver. I think it is the real thing.
That's a fair assumption. This one does look a bit too "correct" compared to the few knockoffs I have seen.
But dang blast it! Now I have to do this!
New Model 3, Target. .38-44. Actually my first S&W to be acquired. Letters to 1887
Model 3 DA. .44-40. Letters to 1891
New Model 3, .44-40. Letters to 1897. Notice the different sights from the target model
4th Model Pocket Pistol. .32 S&W. My most recent acquisition. Got it from a local gunsmith. Letters to 1889. Looks very much like a scaled down Model 3 DA.
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Well, this thread what not what I expected based on the title of the thread.
I thought it was gonna be a joke about two English gentlemen having a gunfight on Bruce Wayne's private jet. -
2 hours ago, Orient Express said:
I'm sure you know but we in Australia are not the UK even though we are still part of the Commonwealth.
Yes, I know. That's why I didn't comment on how extensive metric use is in Australia; I've never been there, so I don't know.
But knowing of the Commonwealth connection, that allowed me to "transition" to talking about what I had seen somewhere I had been, if that makes any sense.
I would like to visit Australia some day, there's a lot of things there I'd like to see. As and Paul Hogan once said, "And we speak the same language. Although you lot do have a funny accent." Of course, he was speaking about the American one. I think.
BTW, I do own a few Australian surplus guns. My Martini Enfield (.303), SMLE and a S&W Victory Model all have Australian status.-
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On 4/2/2024 at 4:49 AM, Orient Express said:
And we also use the metric system.
Why?
That crazy French system has messed so many things up!
Interestingly enough, contrary to popular misconception here in the US, the UK has not *really* gone metric. Yes, they due use celcius to tell you the temperature outside, but several people told me that ovens are in Farenheit. The spedomitor and odomiter in cars are in miles, not kilometers, and all road signs and distances are given in miles or yards. Ask someone how much something weighs, and they are likely to tell you how many "stone" it is, which is, I forget, so many pounds. Kilos or kilograms are not mentioned. Same for height. People referred to how tall they were in feet and inches, not centimeters or portions of a meter. Folks in the UK were VERY upset when the EU told pubs they had to start selling glasses of beer by however many milliliters instead of by the pint. (I maintain this was the real reason for Brexit.) Curiously, a UK pint is slightly bigger than a US pint. Ounces are the same size though. Interestingly, I was surprised at how cheap gas, or petrol as they call it, seemed to be. If I recall correctly, it was 1.65. But then I remembered that this the price per Pound, not Dollar, and then I realized it was price her liter, not gallon. So it was more like $5. Ouch!
It's very curious. Especially since the UK is "officially" metric. But in practical reality, there seems to be a mixture of Metric and Imperial measurements.
Oh, and by the way, in the US, we don't use Imperial. We use "Customary American Measurements." (Yeah, I wish we had a better term. I refer "normal.") I make the distinction because there are some differences in the US and UK measurements, in spite of using the same name. The aforementioned pint is one example. Tons are also different. In the US, a ton is 2000 pounds. In the UK, it's 2200. Neither should be confused with the strange "metric ton" which comes in at I have no idea how many pounds. But it should be spelled tonne, to avoid confusion! There are other minor differences as well. I think gallon, and possibly mile are also different, but inches, feet and yards are the same.
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Okay....
In order of acquisition....1. Winchester 97, 20" barrel. My original main match shotgun.
2. IAC 97 Trench Gun. Obtained to be part of my military long guns collection. Even have a bayonet for it, and shot a round of Wild Bunch with it attached.
3. Winchester 97, 30" barrel. Wanted to get a long barrel 97, just to have one. It quickly became my favorite main match shotgun. I'll admit that this one is also the most worn of everything in my collection. But it still works flawlessly.
4. IAC 93/97. 20" barrel. Figured this was a close as I'd ever get to a real 93, so I got it, even though it's not SASS legal for some bizarre reason. I just wish it had a longer barrel.
5. Winchester 93, 30" barrel. When I found this, with a $280 price tag, I had to buy it. Okay, it's not a 97, but it's in the family. Again, not SASS Legal, but so what? The finish looks its age, but mechanically, the thing is flawless. I don't think it's been fired all that much, or in decades. I will load up some black powder shells to shoot it, eventually.
6. Winchester Black Diamond Trap model. Another 30" barrel, of course. This is in mechanically perfect condition. Finish is nice, but old. Likely to become my main Main Match shotgun with time.
And that's all I have, so far. If I get a 16 gauge 97, that'll be the 7th. -
A nice looking New Model 3. Which .44 is it? American, Russian or .44-40?
When you say the cylinder is worn out, what do you mean?
As far as the extractor being worn out, well, there are couple of different pieces/parts that may be the problem. I don't know what they are called, or how easy they are to swap out, assuming you can get them. My guess is that the "thingee" that is inside the pivot that catches on the frame as you open it and pushes up the extractor star is the problem, but I of course, am just guessing here. (Are those terms imprecise enough?)
I am wondering though, is this a real S&W, or a made in Europe copy? The lack of the S&W logo on the grip makes me wonder. Several American guns had unauthorized knockoffs made in Spain and Belgium back in the late 1800's. I wonder if this might be one. -
17 hours ago, watab kid said:
i know a lot of trap sahooters that have them , they work well , some reload regularly - they shoot them , those that dont reload are less inclined , as to SASS i see no reason why not save that i like my shotgun 20" or so , that begs the question do you want to cut your 16ga off , if not have at it , if so have at it , if i had a 16ga it would have been a family heirloom , i would not be inclined myself ,
Heh heh. That's the wrong question to ask me. My primary Main Match shotgun is a 97 with a 30" barrel. My secondary is a Parker with a 30" barrel, F/F chokes.. My third choice is a Winchester 87 with, guess what, a 30" barrel. Those are all 12 gauge. Up next would be a 28" Parker with F/M in 20 gauge. Sensing a pattern? Now, I'll admit that once in a great while I'll use a 20" 97, a 19" Parker, or an 18.5" 87, (12's) but those are for when I am feeling a need to do something different. The 16's I am looking at all have 30" or 28" barrels, and while I would use 'em for SASS, they would never be cut.
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I recently came into possession of a Winchester 1200, 16 gauge shotgun. The person who had it didn't want it anymore, so he gave it to me. Now, this is my first and as of this writing, only 16 gauge. I figured I'd just buy a box or two of shells in case I ever wanted to shoot it.
I never figured on tooling up to reload for it.
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I found myself thinking that if I also had a SASS legal shotgun in 16, I'd get some Magtech brass and take it from there.
Well... I have found three shotguns that have peaked my interest. A Winchester 97, a Fox Sterlingworth, and an Ithaca Flues Field Grade. Now, I am normally a 97 guy, I have a 12 Gauge Fox, and I know that they are good guns. But I am not familiar with the Ithaca. While it is the least expensive of the three, I just don't know if they are good guns or not. Can anyone offer any insight into the quality of these guns? -
.32-20
".32 Nagant"
.38 Long Colt
.44-40
.44 Special
.44 Magnum
.45 Colt
And that's just main match calibers that I have pistols for.
I suppose I could add 56-50 Spencer.
I love 'em all!-
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And let's not forget aluminum and aluminium.
Although, those 2 DO reflect the different pronunciations.
But I have never been able to figure out why labratory is not considered legitimate. -
On 3/23/2024 at 1:20 AM, Warden Callaway said:
Nice video.
Decent looking gun. Clearly a copy of the 94, and no stupid safeties.
Still angle eject though, but... Looks like better version than the Winchester. I may consider this. Thanks for sharing. -
This has been a fascinating discussion. Thank you to everyone for the information.
I have to admit that after reading all the info here, and the article on Starline's website about it, that I am a little hesitant to look into this caliber. That might be silly, but I have to be honest. The only reason that I considered it to begin with was that of all the calibers one can get an 1881 Marlin in other than .45-70, this was the only one that seems to still be around and popular. I'd still prefer a .45-70, but they seem to be harder to find for some reason. (And more expensive.)But, since I am in no hurry, I'll just bide my time, work up my extra funds, and then pull the trigger when the time is right.
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WTB: Range Grade 1911
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I know. I put an ambi safety on my Colt reproduction 1911 when they first started making them again. But the trouble is that while back then I was able to find an ambi that looked like original equipment, those don't seem to exist any more. Every one on the market is extended or otherwise strange looking.
And, the idea of getting one that is GI surplus and has an ambi put on it by the government is an idea that really appeals to me.