H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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I was looking over my collection today, and I noticed that while I have several nickeled revolvers, I don't have a single rifle with a nickel finish. I have *seen* such rifles in the stores on occasion, but I just "realized" that I've never bought one. Nor do I have a shotgun so finished. Those I have seen at the range on occasion, but never in the stores.
For some reason, I found myself wondering about all of that. I've always thought that nickel guns look really cool in general, and a 73 or a Lightning has a look that is just super fine.
So... Does anyone out there have an "all nickel" battery? Did they come from the factory, or did you have 'em done? One of the best "all nickel" pards I ever saw was a fellow dressed up as The Lone Ranger. His rifle was a 92, and it looked really nifty. Told me he had it done after market. Shotgun was SxS if I recall correctly.Sadly, the only nickel Lightning I ever saw was a Taurus. Oh well.
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45 minutes ago, Chicago kidd said:
I have a question. They say a lot of 12 guage mag fed shotguns need 250 rounds through them to run consistently. Wouldnt sitting there and racking it up and down 250 to 500 times accomplished the same thing without wasting all them shells. Just curious
Just get some snap caps...
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As mentioned above, Zoot Shooting is a game similar to Cowboy Action Shooting, but instead of Colts and Winchesters, it's built around Thompsons and 1911's. The "cutoff" date for firearms is 1949. Some folks even shoot it with their Cowboy guns, but that's a rarity.
You see a lot of DA revolvers, Lugers, and other early autoloading pistols. For the rifle, I have used my Thompsons, a reproduction of the Russian PPSh43, and my Broomhandle with the shoulderstock and fixed 30 round magazine. I've also seen people using M1 Carbines, reproduction Sterlings, Soumi's and even a BAR. 97's are common shotguns, but so are Model 12's and Browing Auto 5's.
It's a fun game. Full auto is allowed, unless there are local laws or club rules that prevent it. In the Zoot World, I go by the moniker, Uriah the Inkblot and dress up as a cartoon character from the early 30's.-
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Sooner or later, I'm gonna get a 20 Gauge Parker to play with from time to time. I already run light 20's in my grandfather's Stevens that he got in WW2 for Zoot Shooting. It'd be nice to use the gauge in CAS occasionally.
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12 minutes ago, Hoss said:
Ive never understood why folks like TB so much. The ONLY advantage it has is one cannot double-charge a case with it. It’s smelly, dirty, expensive. I use a lot if Bullseye, Unique & Red Dot. Old powders that just work!
I do use 5744 in my heave 535 grn 45/70 Sharps loads. But also use Unique with 45/70 with 405 or less Bullets. Also use unique with 45/60 & 38/55. It’s a good all-around powder.You can use it in just about everything from .32 S&W to .45-70, rifle or pistol. It creates loads that are pleasant to shoot with very little recoil. Almost none at all in heavier rifles. It can also generate decent accuracy out to a few hundred yards.
All plusses in my book.
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2 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:
Unique is the smoless version of BP .
Please elaborate on that.
Can it be used in antique cartridge guns? Do you just fill the case with some light compression? Are there "Trapdoor safe" loads for it? How is the recoil? Can you use it in rifle as well as pistol cartridges?
Inquiring mind wishes to know.
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People have mentioned other powders being just as useful as Trail Boss.
I want to get some clarification on that.
See my above post for an overview of the calibers I use it for.
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One of the things, heck, the main thing, I like about Trail Boss is that even with a maximum load, it has practically no recoil. I use it in every pistol caliber from .32 S&W to .45 Colt, and I think it's great.
I also use it in rifles. Things like .30-30, .30-40, .30-'06, .45-70, 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, and a few others. No, it's not high performance, but it creates negligible recoil loads that are good for 200 to 300 yards. And that's good enough for me. I even hit a target once at 500 yards with my .45-70 Trapdoor. Once. Out of several tries. It's capable of accuracy, but I myself am not so much so.
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factory nickeled
case hardened.
Which is it?
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Hey, anyone who's ever seen "Specter of the Gun" knows that the Earps were the bad guys and the Clantons were the vanquished heroes!
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Wait... No more Trailboss?
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Saying SASS or CAS is going to be meaningless to most. But actually saying Cowboy Action Shooting, or Single Action Shooting Society, is pretty self explanatory.
Remember, what is abbreviated CAS is a generic term, SASS is specific to our rules and interpretation of the game. -
As the owner of a Colt 2nd Gen Dragoon, I have two words. "Buy it!"
For that price I have three words. "Buy it quick!"
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3 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:
There is a machinist who made his own volcanic rifle, and ammo to shoot in it. It has been mentioned on here before. And some company made volcanic pistols in .22 I think. Just heard of those, never saw one.
Seen that. Pretty well done. Never did understand why he made it work with a shortened version of .40 S&W. Seems to me that it woulda been easier to make it of a .380 if he wanted a rimless cartridge. But I'm just glad he was able to do it.
I've heard of the .22's, but never seen one, not even a pic. But as a .22 it'd be hard to use at a match. Yeah, yeah, just like a Mare's Leg, it'd prolly not be SASS legal, but some clubs'll let you use 'em if you ask nicely in advance.
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As far as making your own ersatz Volcanic out of a Henry frame, it would seem to me that there are a couple of "options." The first, as has been discussed, is get a frame that has never been made into a rifle. You could then put a 12" barrel on it and declare it to be a "pistol." As to if the frame is identified as a "rifle frame" or just a "frame" is something I do not know. You'd have to check with the ATF to be sure on that, and get it in writing.
The other option would be to put a 16" barrel on it and think of it as a "Volcanic Buntline," and made sure that the overall length of the thing is at least (I think it's) 26". Then, no matter what it's shaped like, it not an SBR, just a very impractical rifle. In this option, you'd probably have to have a Mare's Leg type grip instead of trying to reshape the tang to get a more Volcanic like grip. (In fact, I have long considered doing this with a reproduction 86 to make a "real" version of what the Mare's claimed to be.)
In either case, you'd probably have to find someone with great skill as a welder to customize the lever into the Volcanic's circle lever instead of the Henry's oblong one.
I doubt that anyone will ever market a replica Volcanic. On the one hand, it would fill in the same niche as the Mares Leg, but would be a lot more work. Mare's Legs are basically chopped versions of existing rifles. A true Volcanic replica would require tooling up to make frames and things in the correct size. But it would be cool to have one in either .32 S&W or .38 S&W. (The most logical calibers to put it in, IMO.)Ah, the possibilities!
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Well, I decided for various reasons, to go with the 66. Thank you all for your thoughts on the matter. They were helpful.
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Well, I drove from Boston to Reno for a shoot once. But that was part of a vacation.
Two and a half hours'll get me just about anyplace in New England. But of the two clubs I shoot at more or less regularly, one's about 30 minutes, and the other is just over an hour. Used to go to a few others in that general amount of distance, but they switched from Saturday to Sunday, so I don't go to them anymore.-
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Ah, never mind.
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Since girls can be "Boy Scouts" can boys be "Girl Scouts?"
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5 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:
Oh...I don't know...Frame...Action...you know, little things.
Boy I'll tell ya, some of y'all sure take this Fantasy aspect of our game to the extremes.
Phantom
Uhm...
I have said from the beginning the beginning that the whole point of the comparison is to examine how they are different just as much as it is to look at the similarities. I have specifically said that the frame and action are different.-
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It's not about the names. It's about how the pistols themselves are similar, and how they are different.
To say that you can't compare different pistols to each other to see what they have in common and/or how they differ is bizarre to me.
Sure, I don't see much point comparing, say, a S&W New Model 3 to a Russian Nagant. Those are so radically different that there's really not much to compare.
On the other hand, the various Model 3's have a lot in common with each other, a lot of differences, and yep, some portions of the Merwin & Hulbert, while very different overall, have interchangable parts in the lockwork.
The whole point of the original post is that these two pistols have enough in common visually as to invite comparison.
"But they're different, so you can't compare them."
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I generally don't buy nickeled brass, but I get some occasionally at random. I just toss it in with the rest of my brass in the same caliber and use it until it's not usable anymore.
The one exception to this is Winchester made .38 S&W nickel brass. This is unique in that if you put a .360" bullet in it, the case bulges and will not chamber. It is the only brass I have that has this odd quirk.
So, if I want to reuse it, I use a .358" hollow based bullet. I also load it hotter than my regular .38 S&W. Basically, I try to replicate .38/200 for use in my Webley Mark IV or S&W Victory Models. (Don't know if my Colt Police Positives/Detective Specials can handle the hotter load, so I don't bother.) Gives me a visual difference from my normal low power stuff for use in everything else. -
A friend of my in the Air Force once gave me 5 shotbags full of once fired .38 Special military brass. For free.
Yes, you gotta swage the pockets. But it was free brass, and it works just fine. I wouldn't throw the S&B away. If you don't want it, I am sure someone would be willing to make use of it.-
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The 1860 Henry
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Looking at this image, at first I thought it was Henry Rifle on a 73 frame. But a careful second looks says it's just a 73 with the forestock removed. That being said, the way the barrel and magazine are nickeled and the "brassed" frame looks really nifty. I wonder whatever happened to this gun.