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H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

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  1. I was doing some research on my own 73 rifle, and while I was doing so, I came across a reference that Winchester stopped making them in 1923.


    That means that ALL of them are at least 100 years old.  So to any pards out there who are using an honest to goodness made in Connecticut real Winchester 73, kudos to you for using a centenarian rifle.  :)

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    I was wondering if there are any folks knowledgeable about the Remington Rolling Block that could help me identify one in my collection.  It was sold to me as an antique, Model 1867.  

    Here's a few images of the guns markings.


    The Tang...



    Left side of frame...


    Right side of frame...



    Top of barrel...

    As you can see, it's a 12 gauge shotgun.

    Bottom of the barrel...
    No idea what any of these markings are.  :)

    A stamping on the butt...


    In the most recent issue of American Rifleman, there is a short article about Rolling Block shotguns that were recently imported by Simpson Ltd, so I went to their website, and found this one.  It's in really nice shape, and I think it was well worth the asking price.  I am looking forward to shooting it.

    Can anyone offer any guesses as to any specifics about the gun?

  3. Sounds to me like you are not belling the case enough.  


    I use Lee dies, but the procedure should be the same for RCBS or whatever.

    Lube case.

    Use 1st die to deprime and resize.

    Clean case.

    Use second die to expand case.  You should be able to see some belling, or its not enough.  If you are using Lee dies, you can pour the powder into the case through the die.  If you are using anyone else's, you need to remove the case to put the powder in it.

    Use a .427" bullet.  Some folks use .428" bullets.  I've had good luck with both sizes, but find the .427" is usually easier to seat correctly.  

    Use 3rd die to seat the bullet, but NOT to crimp it.
    Crimp with a Lee Factory Crimp die.

    Using this method, I have excellent results with .44-40 and .32-20.  Before I used this method, I had a lotta messed up cases.  Now, the only time I get a rumpled case is when I don't pay enough attention to line everything proper, or go too fast.  IE, human error on my part.

    As far as using the smaller bullets in a .429" bore, it does not seem to be a problem.  I have several .44-40's from antique to modern Colts and S&W revolvers.  All of my .44-40 rifles are modern made replicas except for one vintage Colt Lightning.  I also have a couple of Sheriff's models with 3" barrels with dual .44-40 and .44 Special cylinders, so I know they have .429" bores.  I still get acceptable accuracy out of those guns in .44-40.

    Take it all with a grain of salt. 

  4. 11 hours ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said:

    Just introduce a Pentecostal category. The Baptist category has been proposed for years, but this would be more entertaining.


    Well, being Baptists, we could never agree on a standard set of "rules" to define the category.


    Even my own suggestion never got very far, "Must carry a Scofield."  (Note the lack of an H.)

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  5. I think he has some valid points, but I also think his criticisms are a bit overstated.

    Now, as to the alternate way to shoot it, I see a lot of merit there.  I like how his 87 was loaded up full, for example.  I liked how there was a lot of shooting in a flexible format.  BUT, I think he took the solutions a bit too far.  Laying on the ground?   No thanks.   :)

    Longer ranges, that might be fun.  Going from one stage to another?  An interesting idea.  But I wonder about the safety, and the time it would take to put a buncha shooters through it all.  Using ANY guns designed before 1898, a great idea.  

    In other words, I saw some merit in all of this, but I think it took some things too far.   I'd like to try it, but don't think it's the "future" of CAS.   A novelty shoot, sure, but the regular way, no.

    And mentioning what is essentially Zoot Shooting at the end was kinda weird.  :)

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  6. I was at a shoot once.  Repeating shotgun may be stoked on the clock applied to all stages.

    One one stage there were 2 falling targets that launched a flier and 4 clays on stands.  Stage instructions said something like, "Successfully engage 6 shotgun targets in any order." 

    Everyone shot the one of the falling targets, went for the flier, shot the second falling target, went for the flier, and then went for 2 to 4 of the targets on  stands as needed.

    Me, I loaded up my 97 with 1 in the chamber, 5 in the magazine, shot the 4 on stands, and then the two falling ones, ignoring the fliers.   Everyone was like, "Is that legal?  Can he do that?"   I was, "I followed the stage instructions."   The eventual ruling was that I shot it correctly, if in a way no one anticipated.

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  7. 47 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said:

    The strangest rifle made into a shotgun was a Mauser 98 coverted to 12 gauge.  It was owned by a strange little man I worked with. He was prone to get stuff wrong. But he brought it in one day.  Sure enough it had been converted to 12 gauge. The magazine held one shell as I remember.  I don't know if they rebarreled it or forged the original barrel out. It had no locking lugs up front.  There was an adapter plate for a bolt face. The bolt handle locked it up.




    Now that is interesting!   I'd even say it's SASS Legal.  It's a pre-1900 design, limited to 2 rounds, and it does have what can be interpreted as an exposed "hammer."   :)

    All kidding aside, that is kinda cool.  Just goes to show you that with enough patience, almost anything can be converted to something else.


    AND, yeah, with that thing, a regular Mauser, and a .22 Bolt action, you're almost there with a complete battery.  I wonder if there are any bolt action pistol caliber rifles.

  8. 1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    Why wouldn't you??




    Well it's not "really" a .22 version of the 94.  More similar to the 92 in many ways.  That being said, I have no problem with it.  :)  Thinking about it, you could also "group" it with a 92, an 86 and, uhm....  Hmm...   Generically, an 87?

    It seems to me that, beyond the single shots, or the .410, the only way you could get a 20 or 12 gauge "rifle based" repeating shotgun, would be to make a massively upscaled version.   I don't think you could make, say, a 20 gauge 86 just be swapping barrels.  I doubt the frame is big enough.

    Maybe the take down version?  

    Thinking about it, the shotgun will likely have to be what's the most similar, not the same.

  9. .22 rifle.  Pistol caliber rifle.  Rifle caliber rifle.




    Is there any such thing where you can get all 4 types of long guns belonging to the same "family?"

    Amazingly, the answer is yes.   You can get all of the above based on the Remington Rolling Block.

    I have seen pictures of all four things based on the lever action Martini rifle.

    But, those are all single shot guns.  What about repeaters?  The closest you could come would be the Colt Small, Medium and Large frame rifles, with any pump action shotgun, but that's a stretch.  Same answer would go for a Winchester 73 .22 and CF cartridge, a 76 and an 87 shotgun.  Closer than the Lighting, but still not the same.  

    I guess you could say it can be done with the Winchester 94, there are .410 versions of it, if you will allow for the 9422 to count.


    All in all, I don't know that there is any practical reason to want to do this, other that, "isn't this a cool part of the collection!" type stuff, but it is interesting to ponder.

    Can anyone else think of a "combination" that, while it  may not be exact, sorta comes close?  I think it's just an interesting notion.



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  10. Ben is pretty well known here in New England, and I do know him, if somewhat casually.   I may be mis-remembering, but I heard something not too long ago that he moved somewhere to the southwest.  That is to say, south of Mason-Dixon line and west of the Hudson river.  But I could be mistaken.

  11. Happened to me once years ago with a .32-20.  I stopped shooting, went home and pulled apart all the ammo I loaded in that caliber and started over with an increased charge.   Never had it happen again.

    But it coulda been worse.  This happened last August...



    Two friends were each using one.

    Neither was hurt, but that was the end for all of us.   I would not risk further disaster.  

    PLEASE, everyone, be sure of your loads.

  12. Generically, what I call the "short and stubby" cartridges, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .38 Short Colt, and especially .38 S&W have always intrigued me.  Among other things, I have a Colt Police Positive that is stamped, ".32 Police CTG."  I've always assumed that it is a .32 S&W Long, but which Colt called .32 New Colt Police.  I am waiting on a letter for it, and based on some reading, I wonder if it might be a .32 Long Colt.  I suppose I should just go and see if the S&W round will chamber in it.  Depending on what it is, that may have bearing on my choice to rechamber the rifle.  In either case, it'll be nice to have a rifle in one of the short and stubby calibers.

  13. It's not a takedown, so I guess that's a plus.  A dual block?  That's...  really nifty sounding!


    I've done more research, and among other things, I've discovered that .32 Colt and .32 S&W do have the same size bore.  Given that, and given how some of the components for reloading the Colt are essentially unobtainium, I made have have it rechambered.  Would greatly simplify things that way, I think.

  14. If ever a "Frontier DA" side match is created, whereby you would use a pre-1900 design DA revolver, then (unless specifically ruled out) your Smith would be okay, IMO.  After all the Model 10 is just a refinement of the Victory Model, which is just a specific version of the M&P, which is a direct development of the S&W Model 1899.  

    Kinda  like how a modern 3rd Gen SAA is different from an early 3rd, 2nd or 1st gen.

    But that's a whole different conversation. 

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