H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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Part of the beauty of English, and the part that drives non native speakers mad, is how we have multiple terms that essentially mean the same thing. We also have words that, if by strict definition the usage is "incorrect," it is usually perfectly understandable to almost everyone because colloquial usage has shifted with time. I think that's okay, irregardless of what the grammar snobs may try to assert.
But I would like to find me one of them thar 50 caliber clips I heard tell about.-
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Now, I'll freely admit that mine is a minority opinion, but, as others have said, it is what works best for me.
I feel that the ideal length for a barrel is 30" with a full choke. This is the exact opposite of what most will say, who will tell you 20" with no choke.
Let me tell you how I arrived at this opinion. My first ever shotgun that I used for SASS is a 20" no choke Winchester 97. It was purchased to be used for that purpose. I bought it because I thought the gun was really cool looking, and that it would be fun to use. These opinions have not changed. My second shotgun that I only used occasionally, was a 19" Parker with no choke. This gun I had from my father. I will never change my mind that the Parker was, and remains the best double barrel shotgun ever many in this or any country in the whole wide world. Some will tell you that they are too nice to use in our game. Well, poppycock. Sure, if you've got a $25,000 one I'd be hesitant too. But decent condition shooters can still be had for less than $1000, so go for it, if that's what suits your fancy.
Now, as much fun as both of these guns are to shoot, I had a problem with them; far too often I failed to knock down the shotgun targets. I figured maybe I was doing something wrong. It certainly wasn't my ammo. I was using the same load my Dad used for a years as a trap shooter, and in the Parker, it's a real shoulder thumper. I don't know if I wasn't aiming properly, if the pattern was too spread out, or what. It was just reality. But I had no idea what could be done to correct the issue, other than keep practicing.
Anyway, after I'd been in the game for a couple of years, I decided I wanted to get a "long barreled" 97, just to have one. Found one with a 30" full choke barrel for a good price, and all was well with the world. It was a bit more worn than my original 97, but it was still a useable gun. I decided I would take it to my next shoot, just for a lark, to see how it shoots. Well, to my surprise, I found myself acquiring the SG targets faster, and my failures to knock them down all but vanished. In fact, on the rare occasion when it still happens, I know what I did wrong; I was too quick on the trigger and fired before I was properly aimed at the target. I can't prove it, but I think the tighter pattern from the long, choked barrel hits harder than the more spread out one because more of the pellets actually HIT the target instead of going around it. I can't prove that, but that's my story, and I am sticking too it. Or, more simply, I just know I hit more reliably with the longer, tighter choked, barrel.
Not too long after that, I found a 30" Parker with F/F chokes, and it has MUCH less recoil than the short barrel one does. That is, perhaps, important as well. Longer barrel means more weight, means less recoil. (I have also switched to a lighter load, but that's a different topic. Even with my Dad's trap load, the heavier gun is much more pleasant to shoot.)
So anyway, there's my reasoning for why longer barrels are better.
For what it is worth, the 30" Parker remains my number 2 gun, but I have to admit that I've been using it and other doubles more often this year for various reasons, and are finding them to be a different kind of fun. My primary shotgun, is still a 97, I just switched to a Black Diamond Trap Model when I finally found one that didn't break the bank.
Good luck, and happy shooting.
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1 hour ago, J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE said:
Now a Mare's leg Henry... that would be cool
Well, that would be a Volcanic...
But seriously, or well, as serious as such a topic can be, I am starting to feel that Mare's Leg Fever is just as dangerous as the Lightning Bug. Only the huge expense of customization and legal issues keep it at bay. -
1 hour ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:
I have several number threes but.
I'm still looking for a Beretta Laramie.
Ditto,
Wow, talk about an old thread resurfacing.
Just for kicks, I have more Model 3's than I did 4 years ago when I posted what I have.
Here's the updated collection...
From top to bottom...
Cimarron Uberti American, 45 Colt.
S&W New Model 3, .38-44
Cimarron Uberti American .44 Special
S&W New Model 3, .44-40
Navy Arms Uberti Schofield, .45 Colt.
S&W Third Model Schofield .45 S&W.
S&W Model 3 DA, .44-40.
Still no Laramie or Russian. Would love to find one of each in .45 Colt, then I'll have all the replicas in the same caliber.
I'd love to have a New Model 3 in .32-20. But, S&W never made them, and none of the reproduction makers do either. Oh well.
I also have this...
Looks like a New Model 3, right? Well, it isn't. This is a Model 1891 in 38 S&W. It's about 3/4 the size of a NM3, and is only a 5 shooter.
There's also this....
This sorta looks like the model 3 DA, but is only about half the size, and is a .32 S&W. They called it the Double Action Fourth Model. They really got a lot of mileage out of this basic design.
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11 minutes ago, Howlin Mad Murdock SASS #4037 said:
The number of SxS shotguns with ejectors is very small, and pretty much non-existent among the more recent manufacturers and importers.
I've been looking for one for years and haven't found one yet.See if you can find an Ithaca Flues. They are not all that expensive, and they have ejectors. Or at least the random one I acquired turned out to have them.
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58 minutes ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
I would like one now and while I am at it have Nate Kiowa Jones take my Rossi Ranch Hand and turn that into a more realistic Mares Leg like has done.
How about one of these?
This one is made by Chiappa, and is a .44 Magnum. They also make them in .44-40 and .45 Colt, and they also make a non takedown version. The loop on this one is aftermarket. The "D Lever" that they put on is not a D like the Rifleman or Stagecoach rifles. It's about half the size of this one. I had their "Rio Bravo" lever installed instead. Other than that, it's all factory stock. Very smooth right out of the box. Comparable to a real Winchester. You pay for it, but it's worth it.16 minutes ago, Stump Water said:Can't forget the bolt action, scoped rifle... that he shot left handed.
Oh yeah! Back to the Future Part III. Doc Brown uses a 66 rifle with a loop like the above and is all tricked out Steampunk style.
Don't know why Stumps comment about a bolt action made me think of it, but it did.
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5 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:
When a good friend passed, his wife asked our mutual gunsmith to help dispose of his guns and gear and I got a bunch of his 12ga brass shells, related components, and a set of CH4D 12ga dies for brass shells. These ain’t cheap, big they’re, (in my opinion) the pinnacle of options for reloading brass shotgun shells! They greatly improve and streamline the entire process. One die sizes and deprimes the shell and the other seats the over shot card and applies a perfect roll crimp to the finished shell which makes them much easier to load into any kind of shotgun! The roll crimp also eliminates any need for applying an adhesive to secure the over shot card.
I agree with almost all of this. Only the last sentence will I take issue with. Now, about 99% of the time, it is an accurate statement, but every once in a while, the overshot card can somehow wiggle its way out of the case, spilling shot all over the place. So, with MUCH reluctance, I started gluing them in place with Elmer's after crimping. Maybe I just need to crimp more, but, I wanna keep it minimal. -
4 hours ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
First, I was kidding
Second I know there were 3 rifles, 2 Winchester and one El Tigre that would get thrown on the ground
Third I believe someone did give Chuck Connors one
Fourth, Robert Mitchum did have a D lever, with the screw, when he throws it to John Wayne you can plainly see it, John Wayne’s is his style.
So normally HK I am on your side but not this time. Thought this was supposedly a fantasy post, more about whimsical observations. But I would be willing to bet that it was borrowed from The Rifleman prop dept. However it is not that important to me and I have packing to do for my move. Have a nice Sunday.In all fairness, it's been over a year since I saw Rio Bravo, so I may be misremembering the details.
Keeping track of all the Hollywood weirdness is...
Very difficult.I never seen anything like these in an old Western though.
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13 hours ago, Alpo said:
Bones. Booth is a Catholic. Bones and Booth make the beast with two backs, the result of which is Christine. They move in together for a couple of years. Then they finally get married. They are going to get married in the church. Bones doesn't believe and she knows that it would mean a lot to Booth so she is going to let that happen.
This touches on something that really annoys me. You have a character on a TV show, who in almost every way lives in a way that is contrary to their stated faith, and then it suddenly becomes important for some reason.
If Bones cared about being a good Catholic, he would not have been sleeping with Christine before they got married.
There is an episode of Big Bang theory where Bernadette makes a big deal about how she can't lie because she went to Catholic school. And yet, she's sleeping with Howard out of wedlock.
There's the episode of Friends where Ross is all paranoid about his kid celebrating Hanukkah because he's Jewish, when the rest of the time he is portrayed as an atheist.
There are many other examples across many TV shows and probably many movies. I find it to be very bad writing. -
1 hour ago, Nimble Fingers SASS# 25439 said:
Who else believes that Johnny Crawford asked Chuck Connors if he could “borrow” one of the Winchester “D” loop 92’s so Robert Mitchum could use it in El Dorado?
Not me.
Compare Chuck's rifle to Mitchum's. The shape of the lever is very different.
Also, Chuck didn't own the "his" rifle. It was a studio owned prop, and he didn't get to keep it when the show ended.
I am more likely to believe that story that the Chuck's rifle is the same one John Wayne used in Stagecoach. I'm not 100% certain, but the resemblance is there. The documentary evidence is contradictory though. -
Maybe 30 years ago, I was called. We were welcomed and it was explained to us it was one day or one trial. That's the rule in Massachusetts. Wait here till you are called in to see if you'll be seated on a jury. At noon they told us to go to lunch and be back by 1:15. At about 1:30, someone came out and said no juries being seated today. Thank you all for coming. Go home. You can not be called again for 5 years.
I have duty again next Tuesday. But I am to call on Monday to see if I need to report or not.
Jury selection is one of the few things Massachusetts does right. -
55 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:
After 10 seasons running Mag Tech, only two or three needed resizing. Chamber and come out of all three of my Hammer Doubles without any problems.
This is a very good point. To resize or not resize is going to greatly depend on how many different guns you run them in. I don't know what Colorado's doubles are, but all 6 chambers must have very close to the same dimensions.
Me, between 5 doubles, 3 singles, 5 97s, 2 87s, a 93, a Burgess, and even occasionally in my 870, I've got a lot more variation to deal with, which is why I always resize. In other words, your milage will vary on that front -
The Magtechs use Large Pistol Primers. So do, if you come across them, vintage Remington and Winchester ones.
Originally, I used the RCBS dies, and as long as the only shotgun I tried them in was my 97, there was no problem. But after I got my original 87 Winchester, and tried them in the Parker, better resizing was needed.
So, I got the CH4D dies. These do require lubing.
Anyway,After the hulls are clean and primed, for 12 gauge, I load put in 12 grains of Red Dot.
Then I put 1 of these...
https://www.buffaloarms.com/circle-fly-1-2-fiber-shotgun-cffiber.html 11 gauge.
Then I put 4 of these...
https://www.buffaloarms.com/circle-fly-135-nitro-shotgun-cfnitro.html 11 gauge.Depending on how heavy I want it to hit 1, or 1-1/8 ounce of shot.
Then I put an overshot card, 11 gauge again.
Use the die to put a very slight taper crimp, and then use Elmer's Glue to make sure it won't fall out.
I do pretty much the same for 16 and 20 gauge, except I use 12 grains of Green Dot. Haven't experimented with .410 yet, but that's coming.
And yes, you CAN use smokeless in these things. Been doing it for years. If for some reason you want a heavier load for hunting, you can increase the 12 gauge load to 16.4 grains of Red Dot, but in a lighter gun, it'll be a shoulder thumper. -
I can usually find old posts that I made.
I Google "HK Uriah SASS (topic)" and there is a good chance it will come up.
Sometimes the results are more obvious than others, but it generally does work. -
5 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:
Cool? Yes.
$7,000 cool? No.
Agreed. Which is why they still own it, and I don't!
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Now, in a reversal of the conventional wisdom around here, I prefer long barrels on my shotguns. The longer the better, I say. But, I just stumbled across this one with a factory 22" barrel that I'd obtain in a heartbeat, if I could afford it.
It seems that the folks over at IMA-USA have got a prison issue Winchester 93 for sale.
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-winchester-model-1893-12-gauge-pump-action-riot-shotgun-marked-to-yuma-prison-with-factory-lettered-22-barrel-one-of-42-made-serial-no-24192a-manufactured-in-1896?variant=45371946631237&trk_msg=KS35PB2RN5G4R66JJIPLB47FO0&trk_contact=TK7UBRPONA2BAF9BR5G5QKK5GG&trk_sid=BB4VDVGCODOORO7LQJE4QHOUB8&trk_link=KFAF3LFHMGFK7CCLC653CKQCJ4&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=View+product+recommended+for+you&utm_campaign=20260718&utm_content=20260718
Yes, you read that correct, this is a 93, not a 97. Sadly, that makes it not SASS legal, but so what? This looks remarkably incredible. I mention it here in the hopes that someone who know, understands, and loves old Winchesters will scarf it up, rather than some unknows collector. -
3 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:
Or Junior High School to Middle School.
Technically there is a difference. Jr, High is always just 7th and 8th grade. Middle school adds 6th, and sometimes 9th to that mix. Also, th structure of the schooling is traditionally different. The day to day experience of Jr. High was always pretty much the same as High School. but middle schools tended to be structured with a different way of doing things.
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1 hour ago, Alpo said:
I know people keep saying it's Celsius, but they keep saying that magazine is not a clip and a revolver is not a pistol and a silencer is really a suppressor. I don't agree with any of that so why should I agree with Celsius?
I always figured Celsius and centigrade were two terms for the same thing; some metric temperature scale I don't use or care about. The whole magazine/clip thing is in my opinion, overly pedantic, and not worth arguing about. Pistol and handgun are again two terms for the same thing. They are both generic terms. All revolvers are pistols, but not all pistols are revolvers. The NFA '34 regulates silencers. That's the term used in the law. The guy who invented them, and the patent, call them silencers. "Suppressor" may be more accurate as to what they actually do, but it's a made up term with no legal definition. As far as the law is concerned, they are silencers, and there is no such thing as a suppressor. I will use the legal term.
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My! What is this?
It looks like some kind of a treasure chest! I wonder what's inside. Only one way to find out. It must be opened at once.
Oh wow! Looky at what I found!
Why, it's one of them thar .380 Pirate Pistols made by Tippmann Ordnance! Gee, I've wanted one of these things since they were first announced, and now I have one! No, it did not come with a box of .380 ammo, but it's nice to see that the hole where they put a trigger lock is just the right size for such a box. I guess I gotta find a vintage box of .380 to put in there.
Let's take a closer look at the pistol...
Well, I gotta say, it sure is a nifty looking pistol. The action is quite smooth, and it will slam fire. Now, I will admit that ever since I saw that they existed, I was of the opinion that I would cut off those ridiculous threads at the muzzle that are for a silencer or some other such nonsense. But... If I did that, the barrel would actually be ever so slightly shorter than the magazine tube. So, the threads and the cap stay. Oh well, nothing is perfect.
Now in case you are wondering, yes, the resemblance of the action to the old Stevens Visible Loader is undeniable, especially with the action open. I may do a photo comparison of the two, just for kicks, if anyone is interested.
Now, I do consider this to be a "Mare's Leg" type pistol. I put it in quotes and say type because it can be argued that only a pistol based on the Winchester 92 can properly be called a Mare's Leg. So with that in mind, how do you define a Mare's Leg "type" pistol? Well, I guess in the broadest sense, it would be any gun that is a pistol version of a lever or pump action longarm, usually one that fires a cartridge that can be chambered in a normal sized revolver.
With that in mind, I have to say that I am quite pleased to have obtained this pistol. It's gonna pair real nice with the reproduction Volcanic that's coming out next year. Wish they were all SASS Legal, but they aren't. Still a lotta fun though.
So anyway, to bring it back full circle to the title of the thread, my Mare's Leg collection continues to grow.
Top left, Tippmann Pirate pistol, .380. Top right, AWA Lightning Bolt, 45 Colt.
Middle Left, Taylors 1886 TC86 Takedown 16.5", .45-70. Made by Chiappa and modified to this configuration. If the One Big Beautiful Lawsuit throws out restrictions on SBRs, I'll cut the barrel to the same length as the takedown lever. If not, I'll leave it alone. Probably. Middle Right, Chiappa 92 Mare's Leg, take down. .44 Magnum. Factory D lever replaced with their "Rio Bravo" lever.
Bottom left. Taylors 73 with factory 16" barrel. Buttstock cut to pistol grip and large loop added. I call this my "Buntline Mare's Leg." It will get no further mods. If I decide I want a short barreled 73 Mare's Leg, I'll get another one and go the SBR route. Bottom Right, Chiappa 1887 Terminator Shotgun, 12 gauge.
The 86 and the 87 are why I said usually and longarm.
And so... I wonder if the Rossi R95 that looks a lot like a Marlin 95 Mare's Leg in .44 Magnum is worth getting...-
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Sounds like a good price to me. If the quality is comparable to their 66 in the same caliber, you can't go wrong.
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1 hour ago, Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L said:
In Big Jake , Christopher Mitchum (playing son Michael McCandles) carries a Bergman Bayard pistol. Looks similar to a Broomhandle Mauser.
I always did think that was rather cool. But if you look carefully, it's actually a disguised Walther P-38.-
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Oh yeah, what was the one with the guy who had a cartridge converted LeMat?
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2 hours ago, Rough 'N Ready Rob said:
Clint's movie with the Scofield Kid.
Hee hee hee. It's been a LONG time since I've been able to this, so here goes.
This is a Schofield.
But this is a Scofield.
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There can be no argument that in classic movie and TV Westerns, the "standard" guns were the Colt SAA and the Winchester 92. So much so that when a character used something else, the whatever it was almost became as big a "star" of the movie/TV show as the actor who used it. And sometimes it wasn't even a different gun, there was just something unusual about its configuration.
John Wayne may not have used one in EVERY movie he was in, but the large loop on a Winchester 92 is so associated with him that it is commonly referred to as a "John Wayne Loop."
There's a certain Jimmy Stewart movie titled, "Winchester 73."
Clint Eastwood often used various cap and ball cartridge conversions in his movies.
I am sure this happened on more movies, but the tropes was much more common on TV Westerns. I think it was something they did to try and make the particular show stand out from the crowd. For example...
Lucas McCain and his big loop, slam fire modified Winchester 92.
Josh Randall and the Mare's Leg.
Wyatt Earp and his Buntline Special.
Brady Hawkes and his Derringer.
It was long after the heyday of the classic Western, but Ethan Allen Chord's secondary gun was a 75 Remington. His rifle was Hollyweird Henry made out of a Winchester 66 replica.
There was even a show, I can't remember the title, where the main character made a big point out of carrying a S&W American. Smith and Wesson was supposedly so impressed by this that they looked through their parts bins and made him a brand "new" one as a thank you.
I am sure there are other examples, but those are what I remember off the top of my head.
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is anyone else still think it's Fahrenheit and centigrade?
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I like it. I've heard something similar over the years.
"English is the result of Norman nobles consorting with Saxon maidens, and the resulting language is no more legitimate than any of the other fruits of those unions."