Widder, SASS #59054
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48 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said:
....and tell them the old man will be providing his secret lube for their competition 97s too...what a guy!
Kajun
Red Knee loves the Widder Lube. Basically, he swears by it.
Well, actually, he started swearing after using it...........
..........Widder
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Impressive, to say the least. I'm excited about the TN State and I have listed
on my application to be on a Posse with your family. Hopefully, it will work out.
Thanks for the info. AND..... Good luck to both your boys.
Tell them to bring their 'A' game to the TN State and show NO MERCY on this
old man.
..........Widder
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Lumpy is always reminding me to check the screws, first and foremost.
Its one of the best advices I've ever been given.
..........Widder
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36 minutes ago, Chicken George* said:
One of the TN State warm ups is going on right now (EOT). There is presently a battle going on at the speed event for pump shotgun (4 shots). Skrap P got a 2.73, Gut C Gunman came back with a 2.68. Then Skrap P with a 2.58, Gut C with 2.56 and now Skrap P with 2.55.
WOW.
Double WOW!
I'm hoping to meet ALL of you Pards at the TN State. My guess is that they are shooting
those custom 97's by Outlaw Gambler.
I'm looking forward to watching them at the TN State.
QUESTION: what is the starting position? AND... is Scrap P using the 'grab 2'
method?
..........Widder
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The carrier being in its down position and the carrier coming upwards to feed a round into the chamber are
two separate mechanical functions. Fixing up that 'notch' in the floor plate has no effect on the rising function
of the carrier feeding a round into the chamber. But, it can have an effect on creating the Marlin Jam situation,
as Long Hunter was emphasizing.
When the carrier is in its down position (lever closed), it rest on that floor plate AND basically, the timing
ramp is also resting on the snail cam. That is why, when you SLOWLY move the lever downward, you will notice
the tongue on the carrier will start to rise up into the receiver. This is SOLELY caused by the snail cam rotating up
the timing ramp (the ramp on the bottom of the carrier).
This action ONLY moves the carrier upwards about 1/4" or so........ really not much at all.
THEN, when you start closing the action (bring the lever back upwards), the snail cam and timing ramp
separate. The carrier rises because its plunger stud is riding the flat portion of the lever in front of the snail cam
area.
Your problem is common among Marlins that have feeding issues. Sometimes, one of the 'fixes' above can
help solve it. If you reach a point of 'flabbergasted', consider sending it to a good Marlin smith like Long Hunter
or Slater.
..........Widder (I'm a retired kitchen table butcher'r)
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IF the carrier is rising to fast or too high, its caused by the correlation between the plunger stud on the carrier and the FLAT EDGE of the
lever that extends out from the front of the snail cam.
That being stated, I ain't sure your problem is caused by that.
BUT, as Lumpy mentioned, remove the EXTRACTOR and cycle some rounds (one at a time because you will have to manually
pull each of them out of the chamber).
I'm gonna guess your problem is caused by one of two things.... or a combination of both.
1. Your EXTRACTOR spring is strong...... to strong to move a little back and forth when the rim is trying to push under it.
2. Marlin chambers often have a sharp edge at the 12 o'clock entry position of the chamber. You can lightly relieve this
by some light polishing between the 11:00 and 1:00 position of the chamber entrance. I've seen some 1894's
with slight burrs at the chamber entrance also.
Now I will tell you another gremlin that, from my experience, is part of feeding issues with Marlin 1894's.
The FRONT wings, particularly the inside (left) wing can often serve as a deflector and in effect, push the
profile of some bullets off center somewhat. The faster a shooter runs the rifle, the more deflection can occur.
I kinda hate to share the remedy because I don't want to be responsible for someone making a bad mistake on
their carrier........BUT, I've had good success cutting down that wing about 70%, and reshaping the area on the carrier
where the cartridge lies to keep it more centered to enter the chamber.
You could refer to the 'reshaping' as actually making a slight 'CRADLE' for the cartridge.
A word of warning: do NOT allow your cradle to extend to the front of the carrier. The height of the front is critical
in its function during the downward stroke of the lever. If you lower the front edge of the carrier, you will likely
create the Marlin Jam again.
Best regards.
..........Widder
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Well, if I ever get to meet GJ, I'm gonna tell him that 'Scarlett' is also a friend of mine.
I'm another GJ fan. One of the folks I would like to meet and talk with is LongHunter.
..........Widder
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I've never owned that particular brand, BUT..... I have owned and used 2 different belts with canvas loops.
The best canvas looped belt I owned was made by Doc Noper. Fantastic quality and super durable. I never could
wear it out and trust me, I tried. It was also a Single Loop belt design like your picture.
My present belt is leather loops. Actually, the loops are for double shells and I really like it, as I prefer to grab 2.
But in my opinion, if you want one of the fastest SG belts, check out the elastic loop belts. They can be as fast as you want to run.
..........Widder
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AHHHH, the ole 'make a gun jam' and take more than 3:20 to clear, erase all Misses and any 'P' acquired and get
a reshoot BECAUSE......... the shooter has to have a legitimate RECORDED time.
That is an interesting thought, TW.
I once shot with a person who always seem to have a SG problem but only after they had a miss or a 'P' in the stage.
I couldn't prove it, but I suspected the shooter carried some oversized SG hulls (non-resized brass) in his belt and
would insert them into his chambers of the SxS, close the action hard to JAM those brass bases in tight, and then
requested a reshoot because of equipment malfunction.
At the time, our club was offering reshoots for gun or ammo malfunctions.
I couldn't prove that shooter was manipulating his gun in such a manner, but it did seem that when a Miss or 'P'
occurred during the pistol or rifle run, he always seem to have a SG lockup.
Soooooooo, what do we do when there isn't a legitimate recorded time? I personally think a shooter has all the right
to achieve his/her clean match, regardless of excessive time. I love to compete....... but our game/sport isn't all about
the competition.
Just my .02
..........Widder
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14 minutes ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said:
If you don’t already load your own ammo you may be taking up another hobby. Factory .45 Colt ammo can be expensive. For now check out “Cowboy Cartridges” available from Bullets by Scarlett.
+1 for Scarlett's bullets. She also has a lot of various stuff to enhance our game, even gun carts.
PLUS...... she gives hugs.
..........Widder
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Thanks PWB. I had it wrong!
..........Widder
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5 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:
As long as this...
I had decided to give up, and at the same time, I was told to give up.
Looks like the shooter CLOSED his loaded SG, and then moved BOTH feet. OUCH!
..........Widder
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SLATER (slaters in house guns @ 865-591-5129) got 4 of them in recently and they are very nice. Although I ain't an 87 shooter,
they were nicely blued and had beautiful wood.
Slater uses an 87 and is darn fast with it....... especially after he also does a drop-2 mod on them.
He is also a SASS Merchant.
Give him a call..... and tell him Widder said so.
..........Widder
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40 minutes ago, Quiet Burp said:
How long has a shooter got on the line to try and fix a gun breakdown or malfunction on the line before the T.O calls enough?
Just remember that at some point, your delays on the timer will exceed any 'MISS' penalties that you would have accrued should you not
finish the stage.
..........Widder
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2 hours ago, Tennessee williams said:
Hey, I don't make this stuff up.
He makes EVERYTHING up! Don't be mislead by a Duelist wannabe.
TW is jealous of Deacon KFC because Deacon won't give him a discount on chicken feet or other chicken parts that TW uses
in his VooDoo stuff.
And if you have a pet Possum, keep it away from TW.
EDIT: why did the Possum cross the road? to get away from TW!
..........Widder
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If my memory serves me correctly, the 6666 Ranch is featured during a couple episodes of the TV series..... Yellowstone.
Interesting.
..........Widder
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11 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:
A 38 special Marlin would be the easiest action to make work.. You would have to do the Widder mod to the carrier so that it would feed the short cases.
As for the barrel, the easiest is to have it rebored. Trick will be finding someone that has the tools to do that caliber.
Would be an awfully expensive white elephant.
The Marlin 1894 might be a reasonable choice to also consider and here are my initial thoughts on it.
You WON'T need to do any mods to the bolt or bolt face that I'm aware of.
The CARRIER should be modified for proper positioning of the shorter cartridge AND..... the timing should be advanced
a few .000's on the timing ramp to prevent the 'Marlin Jam'.
Either a new barrel with correct chamber size and bore will be needed, OR... a competent smith SHORTEN and OPEN UP
the chamber and barrel to proper dimensions. The Case body size is slightly bigger than the .38 Special brass.
The EJECTOR would need to be moved forward..... or atleast I would highly advise it.
NOW for the meat of my thinking: If you proceed with this project, you might want to talk with Cowboy Carty and get
him to set you up with a short stroked 1894 to complete this job. Or maybe, have him build it for you. He's good with
short strokes and he understands the timing issues you will encounter going to such a short cartridge in the 1894.
More than that, he might also know of some things that would prevent it becoming a reality.
BUT...in my opinion, the modification might be possible and work well in the 1894, with or without a short stroke mod.
A few years back, I modified an 1894 Marlin for Randy St. Eagle to feed the .357, .38 Special and .38 Long in the same
rifle with good results. But I really don't know if he used it enough to know if it was a good mod or not.
Good Luck.
P.S. - I would love to hear some Pro's and Cons from LongHunter. He's got as much experience with the 1894's as
anyone.
..........Widder
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3 hours ago, sarcasmn said:
Thanks everyone. I wanted to try the truncated cone bullets. Somehow I got it in my head that they didn’t feed well.
I tell ya, the people I have met at matches and here on line are some of the best people.
The manner in which you are learning these things is the same manner in which most of us have learned....... from each other.
So always feel free to pass it along to others and help out whenever and wherever you can.
Best wishes for some good shooting this summer. And being down in Georgia, if you make it to Mystery Dog Ranch in Ringgold
this summer, we might cross paths and ring some steel.
..........Widder
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Don't forget about LEON and NOEL.
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Dang Brother Blackwater, I just now saw this thread, and its Feb 23rd. So sorry for the
late response.
Matters like this concern me and for sure, Schoolmarm and you will be in my thoughts and
at the top of the prayer list. Ifn ya need anything, just holler..... I'm just down the highway.
Love Y'all Brother.
..........Widder
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Your perception is amazing........ and the perception of all of US who have read this thread and responded
is questionable, to say the least.
..........Widder
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If you are going to send your rifle to LongHunter, let him give you the reasonable suggestions on OAL and bullet style.
He will be functioning and testing the rifle and will have a good idea (based on his vast knowledge) what will work best.
Best regards.
..........Widder
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52 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:
Yep. I heard @Widder, SASS #59054volunteered for one of those Neuralink implants Elon Musk is making. I'm think of George Segal in Terminal Man.
Actually, I will need all the help I can get, mechanical or bionic, at the TN State this summer.
Rumor is that Chicken George and his son, Gut C Gunman, are coming to whoop up on me
at the side match speed SG. And Gut C holds the Cowboy World Record speed 97 in.both
4 shots and 6 shots. The kid has incredible speed and ability with all his guns, especially
the 97. AND..... along with that, there are quite a few super speedsters that could possibly show up
like The Outlaw Travis James, Copperhead Joe, Missouri Traveler, etc....... Maybe even
Hells Comin.
Heck, on a good day, I might could finish in the top 5 or 6 on the side match event.
All that being stated, I don't think TW has enough chicken feet or Possum penis bones
to give me that much luck. Any and all Neuralink implants might not even be enough.
AND... since open heart surgery back in 2020, my practice and usage of the 97 ain't
exactly close to what it once was..... and at 73, ya just don't get it back with a couple
months of practice.
And now you know the rest of the story.
Come by the SG side match event and witness the onslaught. Watching those folks I
mentioned above will be worth the cost of admission.....
..........Widder
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1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said:
Why do I feel I'm being set up? All this talk about TW's handicaps makes me suspicious....
YYY, Capt BB, what do you mean?
Does this mean we can't be friend anymore?
Do you really think TW is gonna show up at the TN State as a Huckleberry?
And worse than that...... do you think a Southern Gentleman would stoop so low as to conspire with him?
Never. Well, almost never.
..........Widder
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Barnburning - Shootout at the OK Corral 1/27/24
in SASS Wire
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DANG, that was some AWESOME shooting.
Where did this barnburner happen?
Great video.
..........Widder