Widder, SASS #59054
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I don't trust 'bonus' stuff that can favor a particular person(s).
Example: Stick the knife in the stump..... and the stage writer brings HIS favorite throwing
knife. Same with hatchet, trickery of poker card colors, etc.........roll the dice, blah, blah, blah.
I 'earned' a 'P' once by NOT shooting at a bonus flyer that hit the ground and broke apart
BEFORE I could get a shot at it. I think its stupid to shoot at a flyer that's already broken
on the ground and earning a 'P' for not shooting at it.
On the other hand, I enjoy KD's with rifle/pistol and make up with SG.
These are challenging and entertaining. God bless the stage writers who
take time to create a stage with a little extra fun like rifle/pistol KD's.
..........Widder
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A hearty congratulations to Jen. She's a great competitor and even a greater asset to our game.
Friendly and fun to shoot with.
..........Widder
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2 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:
Probably keep escalating until Israel nukes Iran.
Or something close ^^^^^
Sooner or later, the citizens of Iran might overthrow the Regime. Who knows?
They've been at odds since nickels were made of wood. Those folks over there are the original 'Hatfield and McCoy'
feud families.
..........Widder
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Because I have both types and shoot both types regularly, those who prefer a tube over the box magazine only
because they are weary of misplacing the box mag, let me share this with you.
Indeed, its easier to lose a box mag than a tube. BUT, those tubes can bend and they also have internal springs and a follower
which can malfunction..... although rare. And, also rare (but does happen), the tube is under spring pressure
when the mag is full of ammo and if its little locking pin gets wiggled from its little notch, the tube will propel itself out
of it 'mother tube' and you've got another situation you did'nt anticipate. And remember, that tube can bend and be
unusable.
As for the box mag, such as the Ruger 10/22 or the 'B' mags in the Savage models, those can also have a spring
that can 'give up the ghost'........ but in my experience, its no more rare or troublesome than the 'Tube' issues that
can occur.
All this stuff is so rare is that we never hear about it much. Pick the rifle you want and be happy with the manner
in which it holds the ammo. That are some great .22 rifles on the market.
Grandpa and his boys (my uncles) had some super nice rifles from their day. But they would be enamored with the
quality and choices we have today and wouldn't think twice whether it was a box mag or tube fed rifle.
Good luck..... and keep a healthy stock of .22 ammo.
..........Widder
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If ya want to go 'lightweight', don't overlook the Marlin model 60 and especially the Remington Nylon 66 (no longer made).
The Nylon 66 can still be found at gun shows or pawn shops and is super light and handy.
I have both, along with a few supped up 10/22's by Volquartsen and KIDD. Great for accuracy.
But I probably enjoy shooting my model 60's as much as any .22 'rifle' I have.
..........Widder
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1 hour ago, Whitey James said:
I just bought a new Ruger/Marlin 1894 in 357. Have only shot one match with it so not much to go on. Is this just a Marlin Design flaw or was this a Remlin QC issue that may have been solved?
Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.
The design itself IS NOT a flaw but rather the integrity of the ramp material.
The RAMP needs to be 'timed' in relationship to the OAL of the ammo. Normally, this is all well and good from the factory.
Occasionally, the timing ramp may be off enough to give problems even on a new rifle.
BUT, the fix is to make the timing ramp using material that isn't prone to wear, such as a hardened piece of carbide steel
used for the ramp. Even something like a piece of jigsaw blade is a great improvement and isn't prone to wear much.
EDIT: although this isn't a design flaw, normal usage of the 1894 won't wear on the timing ramp.
BUT, Cowboy shooters use these rifles 100X more than the design ever realized being used.
Therefore, it wears down, which in turn, offsets the timing.
..........Widder
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For anyone having issues with the 'Marlin Jam', these carriers from Jackrabbit should solve your timing issues
and prevent the Marlin Jam problem.
The $35 plus carrier swap is a darn good price.
..........Widder
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I guess because. 99% of my shooting is fun type practice and plinking..... it would probably be a .22 LR.
And that .22 would be the S&W model 41
If I were to choose a rifle, it would probably be the Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt.
..........Widder
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9 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:
No way should Bama have passed UT though. The last time they played UT showed them the door. Too much politics in the ratings.
TM
YEP, the Longhorns should still occupy #1.
If TN can get pass the Razorbacks and Gators, The VOLS and Bama game should be a couple GOOD undefeated teams again.
I predicted that Bama would beat the Dawgs. I also think the VOLS will win in Knoxville.
BUT, I think the Dawgs will edge out the VOLS when they play down in GA.
I dont know if the VOLS still have to play those Cats from Kentucky. I hope not. Them guys are crazy set on whoopin
up on rank teams.
I dont know how the Longhorns schedule is set up but hopefully they play atleast Bama or GA.
..........Widder
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Indeed, a great game. I like both teams, but I was rooting for Bama.
The excitement in the game almost reminded me of the TN-Bama game back in 22.
And KY whooped up on Ole Miss. I loved it.
The SEC can never be accused of being 'boring'.
I also thought Virgina Tech got that last second TD and here is my reasoning: The VT player had the ball in his possession
when he hit the ground. Within a moments time, the Miami player push it out of his hands........ BUT, that particular Miami
player had already landed 'out of bounds' with his torso and elbows touching 'out of bounds'. This would have negated ANY
action committed by that Miami player as 'voided'. Therefore, VT should have been awarded the TD.
..........Widder
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I like peanuts. In the jar are o.k.
BUT, I REALLY like Peanuts that are still in the shell. What is about those Peanuts that are seemingly better?
..........Widder
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Hey PatRiot,
when are you gonna load up some 'thunder boomers' and let us know what you think about em?
..........Widder
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El Chapo,
if you can, let me know if the .454 brass you have also has the slightly recessed area around the flash hole.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing its designed that way because of the smaller primer pocket.
I once read that original .454 Casull brass used large pistol primers but Dick Casull decided that small
primers were better suited for the higher pressures generated by the .454
My guess is that my Hot .45 loads generate LESS pressures than my .44 Mag loads.
..........Widder
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More info on the brass:
If you look down inside Starline .454 Casull brass, you will see the brass has a small
recess in the bottom, around the primer flash hole area. This is probably why the Casull brass has more volume than
.45 Colt brass.
The numbers above indicate that LESS pressures are likely obtained using Casull brass than with .45 Colt brass when
using the same data for 'HOT .45 Colt' loads.
..........Widder
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1 hour ago, El Chapo said:
Which is all the more reason why shortening a piece of brass meant to operate at 65,000 PSI and putting a 45 Colt load in it, even a Ruger Only one, is dangerous.
Howdy El Chapo.
Your concern is a valid concern. And, its is one I verified years back when I started using shortened Casull
brass in my .45 Colt hot loads.
Here is my data concerning the case capacities which many who are following this thread will be surprised.
I used a powder trickler to OVERFLOW each case, and then I skimmed off the top with a straight edge so that each case
was full to its maximum WITHOUT being a compressed powder charge.
Each charge was weighed using my Ohaus 1010 scale, which is a very accurate scale.
The brass was not weighed...... only the powder capacity.
For H-110 powder in the .45 Colt brass, full case capacity was 42.6 grains.
For H-110 powder in the shortened .454 Casull brass, full case capacity was 43.4 grains..... an advantage of .8 of a grain.
For Lilgun powder in the .45 Colt brass, full case capacity was 39.9 grains.
For Lilgun powder in the shortened .454 Casull brass, full case capacity was 41.0 grains.....an advantage of 1.1 grains.
EDIT: All the brass was resized using the same Redding, carbide die. This eliminated
any variances in the brass in resizing.
In reality, there is more capacity inside the shortened Casull brass than the .45 Colt brass. So any excessive pressures that
might have been a concern from using the shortened Casull brass has been no concern for me.
In the past 50 years, I've done a lot of testing with my reloads, including powder capacity, bullet seating depth, crimp
security, flash hole uniformity and many other aspects of reloading. Like I've stated before, I don't get into
Wildcat loading but rather try very hard to check out all aspects of my reloads, ESPECIALLY when working with
loads such as Hot .45 Colt fodder and my .460 Rowland reloads.
Thanks for bringing up the 'case capacity' topic, which has allowed me to post my information on the brass.
..........Widder
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51 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:
Here ya go. By the way, I wasn’t posting to prove your loads. I was posting to show El Chapo that Hodgdon doesn’t start at 10% low.
My bad PR. My previous post wasn't in response to you or any thing you said. Sorri!
I'm trying to understand why others find it necessary to disparage my test, The shooting results are what they are, plain and simple.
If someone don't like the manner in which I test or the results, it still doesn't change the facts of those results.
Thanks for posting the extra screen shot. Have a good day.
..........Widder
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Thanks for posting PR.
I don't know why anyone has to 'confirm' or 'disprove' the data I posted. My test results speak for itself.
Sure, some folks will cringe at shooting 'Hot' stuff, but it can't be denied the loading information is available from
powder Manufacturers, including MINIMUM and MAXIMUM data.
And, like wise, some folks will salivate over the data and use it to work up their own 'Hot' stuff.
The data itself needs no 'confirmation'. Its just data from my reloading and shooting results from 3 different firearms.
And there is a lot of good data involved that I have shared.
I don't know why anyone feels the need to disparage my results or the manner in which I obtained those results.
It ain't much different in the manner in which manufacturers gather their data to share with us.
We take the same data and share it, plain and simple.
I've yet to blow up or destroy a firearm from my reloads...... BUT, I have blown up an 1897 SG and a SIG P320 using
FACTORY ammo. Go figure.
Again, thanks for posting that 'screen shot' on the load data from the powder manufacturer.
Maybe you can also post a screen shot of the 240 grain bullets.
..........Widder
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So true. and Soooooooo Sad!
..........Widder
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My favorite line is: "You're a Low Down Yankee Liar".
But, I'm happy with 'Ready'. or. "Lets Go". Heck, I once shot a stage where the starting line was....."Widdermaker Ready".
The stage writer really put a lot of thought into that one.....
..........Widder
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5 hours ago, El Chapo said:
H110/296 doesn't really have "maximum" stuff. It isn't to be downloaded in any cartridge and should be loaded more like a shotgun, following a recipe.
I don't know where you are getting your information, but you should atleast reference it so we all will be more knowledgeable
of what you say.
Once again, I will share the information that is listed on Hodgdon's website, regardless of what brass they used or the time of day
they did their test or what they had for breakfast.
From Hodgdon's website: NOTE: they list minimum AND Maximum load data.
240 grain HP. H-110. Min: 27.2 MAX: 28.0
250 grain HP. H-110 Min: 25.7 MAX 26.5
240 grain. LilGun Min: 27.0 MAX 27.8
250 grain. Lilgun Min: 23.5. MAX 25.5
I don't know where you are getting your information, but the website states Minimum and Maximum load data for
H-110.
And the pressures given for H-110 are about the same as LilGun charges, if not a little more.
Maximum pressure given for the LilGun data is LESS THAN 30,000 CUP.
Maximum pressure given for the H-110 date is a tad OVER 30,000 CUP.
I shared my info from 1st hand test shooting, especially checking for multiple pressure signs. If somebody don't
want to use it, then don't.
If ya don't like the brass I used, then don't use it.
But if you are going to neglect and refute the load data I have stated, you should check out the referenced Hodgdon
Website before trying to contradict such data.
While some are weary of pressure, check out the pressures generated by H-110 in the .44 Mag.
Some of those pressures EXCEED 36,000.
..........Widder
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56 minutes ago, El Chapo said:
I don't shoot jacketed bullets in .45 Colt but I'd also warn anyone that the loads above are hotter than I've ever seen published anywhere. My loads are 24 grains for 255s and 21 grains for 300 grain bullets (and those loads are more powerful than any book 44 Magnum load so use with caution in Rugers only!).
Hodgdon's website has all the info I listed and NONE of my listed load data is maximum stuff, based on their website.
AND..... the load data on their website has a section just for .45 Colt. (Ruger, Freedom Arms and TC only) firearms.
I don't load wildcat stuff. I often check loading manuals AND the powder manufacturers website before I start
testing my handholds. And even with my .460 Rowlands, my handholds are well within their recommended
power ranges.
..........Widder
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Howdy PR
1. I've never check out the brass thickness EXCEPT the 'web' is thicker because of the use of Small Primers (pistol or rifle).
2. In my Marlin, YES, the pressures seal very well. I get NO blow-by coming back at me.
3. YES, Small pistol primers would work. I use the Rifle primers because of their noted 'thickness' to help withstand
the higher pressures. Even with these high pressure loads, I never experience a flattened primer or any signs of cratering.
4. LilGun is my favorite, without doubt. A few years back, H-110 was my favorite until I tested LilGun.
If you check my velocity results above, you can see a distinct difference using the LilGun.
Now, using H-110 will still give you great results but PLEASE be sure to follow the manufacturers load information concerning
H-110. It IS NOT a powder that needs to be used to 'down-load' your ammo.
Feel good that you were able to get the H-110. If your price was right, you might want to go buy another couple bottles.
At the amount you will be using to reload, it doesn't last long.
One other thought: When you get that prized deer or ugly hog in your crosshairs, and you touch off that screaming .45 slug,
your game won't really care if that slug is going 1900+ fps or 1700+ fps. And it won't know the difference between being
shot with LilGun or H-110.
Like you, my eye sight ain't trustworthy and I have a nice Leupold 2X scope mounted on my Marlin.
I really like the XTP 'MAG' bullets, in both 240 grain and 300 grain. The XTP 'MAG' doesn't come in the 250 grain.
When you look at the 'Mag' bullets, you can tell the jacket is thicker/stronger and should work very well at high
velocities against deer, hog and bear.
..........Widder
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I own a 9422 (checkered stock), a 60's Marlin 39A, and the Henry .22
They are all excellent .22 rifles but I must admit, spending a lot of money on a vintage Marlin 39A or 39M can be
a big gamble because of availability of parts should something breaks or wears out.
As for the Winnie 9422, there ain't much inside that might break. Its about the simplest rifle I've ever owned.
And like the Marlin, its all steel.
The big plus for the Henry .22 is its availability in many variations, parts are available if needed...... and service
is first rate. They have Youth models and Adult models. And they can be tweaked to great smoothness and
short stroked.
And, they come in .22, .22 mag, and .17 hmr. All good choices.
I haven't seen the new Savage.
..........Widder
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Good question, JEDI Creeker.
I don't have a clue. SASS has given MD's a lot of authority and of the few big matches I have attended, those MD's
always seem to use wise discretion in their decision making where a protest has been made.
..........Widder
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Need to try my '97s
in SASS Wire
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The video above is excellent, as he is a world class shooter.
Video's by Deuce are also 1st class and very informative. Deuce is also a world class shooter and know his firearms as well
as anyone.
Video's by Widder also are good and fun to watch. There are 3 'Dry Fire' practice videos that are helpful with the 97.
The 97 ain't exactly slow. A good 97 shooter can basically make it sound like a SxS, even with a single loading technique.
And some 97 shooters can make a semi auto shooter feel ashamed.
The Oak Ridge Outlaws are having their monthly 'TUESDAY' match tomorrow on the action pistol range.
Shooting begins at 9:30. I plan to be there. Bring your guns and ammo and join in on the fun.
Usually, only about 12-15 of us show up for this TUESDAY match. We shoot 5 stages and have a blast.
Come join us. There's enough fun for everyone!
Personally, I like the LNLR ammo for the SG.
..........Widder