Widder, SASS #59054
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WILD EAGLE: thanks for that info. I may contact them.
DEACON: thanks for that info.
PatRiot: Your right....."be very careful with OAL". When I reload for ALL my semi-Auto's (9mm, 10mm, .45 ACP, .460 Rowland)
I actually make sure my powder charges and bullet seating depth do not create a compressed load.
I actually have a method to measure the 'available seating space' of any particular bullet to ensure I never have a compressed
load..... of course, also ensuring all our other safety standards are adhered too.
I particularly watch loading up my .460 ammo. The .460 Rowland is a beast of a round but I never experience any pressure
signs.
Of course, I also use the same safety measures in loading up my .44 mag and HOT .45 Colt ammo.
I've blown up 2 guns in my life....... a shotgun and a SIG P320. BOTH while using factory ammo. Go figure.
..........Widder
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LUMPY: The problem is that loading a round specified in the book OR the same OAL as box of military/NATO
will chamber well in the H&K....... but not necessarily so in the S&W and CZ.
RIP: Yea, I've done the 'Plunk' test, which is how I concluded that some bullet styles will 'Plunk' correctly
in the H&K, but not so well in the S&W and CZ. ...... UNLESS I shorten their OAL.
Obviously, the chamber throats are cut different and I was wondering if any of the Saloon Pards had ever experience
this with their 9mm's. Of course, most folks have only one 9mm and therefore, they would never encounter the same
situation.
..........Widder
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Gator,
Thanks. That sounds exactly the situation I'm experiencing............. short chamber throats.
The S&W competitor seems to be in the middle range of the H&K and the CZ. I'll probably
just have the CZ changed a little.
One of my favorite 9mm powders is 5.4 gr. of BER-86. This particular charge doesn't allow me to seat 2 of my favorite
bullets to the appropriate OAL to allow full seating in the chamber.
Those 2 bullets are the 125 grain Sierra JHP and the 124 gr. Nosler JHP 'ASP'.
But, I can use my other favorite powder, CFE, in the 4.9/5.0 grain range and seat both of those bullets deeper to help
accommodate appropriate OAL for the CZ.
EDIT: both of those bullets have an OAL of .548, but because they are designed a little different,
varying OAL is needed to correctly fit in the pistols.
..........Widder
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SIC!
Probably shoots water downed bollits.
..........Widder
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3 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:
Probably goes without saying but, Bullet profile is going to have a lot of impact.
Hey Dave.
Yea, no doubt you are correct because different bullet shapes are giving me the same issue but with some
variances of OAL.
I'm just wondering if my issues are normal and common, especially with these pistols.
I shoot a lot of 10mm (3 different pistols) , 45 ACP (2 different pistols). and .460 Rowland (3 different pistols) and seem to never have this issue.
Of course, the barrels for those .460 Rolands were all made by the same company.
..........Widder
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SGT Sabre: Thanks. As to add to the information, all my empty brass will fall freely into the chambers of all the pistols
and sit correctly in the chambers. I can actually put a 'primer only' shell in the chamber and fire it in all 3 pistols.
I'm thinking the 'lands' are cut more shallow in each pistol, atleast right in front of the end of the chamber.
Cousin Blackwater: YEA, I thought about taking them down to 'our friend'. I've tested factory ammo with
Winchester white box 115 gr., Hornady Critical Duty and Hornady Defense (124/125 gr) , and DRT 85 grain HP.
They all work perfect in each pistol.
Mongo: I've mic'd cases at the top, middle and bottom to see if there were any variances and couldn't discern any.
But remember, all these cases were resized with the same resizing die and ALL my testing and double checking
leads me to think the 'lands' have no 'lead in' on the S&W and CZ.
Example: Using Sierra 125 gr. JHP, the MAXIMUM OAL to fit the H&K is 1.065.
Same bullet, the Maximum OAL to fit the S&W Competitor is 1.036.
Same bullet, the Maximum OAL to fit the CZ P01 is 1.020.
And there are a couple of other bullets that follow the same pattern on these pistols.
..........Widder
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I own 3 great shooting 9mm pistols: H&K P30L, S&W Competitor, and CZ-P01.
When I use loading data and seat the bullet(s) to recommended OAL, all of them will drop in and freely fall out of the chamber of the H&K.
But with the S&W Competitor, some of those same loads will jam the bullet into the lands and won't freely fall out, indicating a tight fit and in some instances,
prevent the slide from going into battery.
Now, even worse, is that MANY of those rounds will jam into the lands of the CZ P01 and/or prevent the slide from going into battery.
To solve these issues, I've had to seat certain bullets to a deeper position, having a shorter OAL than the H&K.
Naturally, I'm using a couple powders with appropriate powder amounts as to eliminate any 'compressed' loads.
QUESTION: Why did the manufacturer cut their chamber throats of varying lengths that created this situation AND.....
have you experienced this situation with your 9mm's.
Thanks
..........Widder
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Those are two LUCKY guys standing next to Scarlett..... 🥰
EDIT: I just notice Shamrock Sadie is also there (small picture). Those guys are double lucky.
Happy Shootzmore is JEDI GF #362
Sixgun Schwabe is JEDI GF #365
Congratulations to both and a 'Hardy THANK YOU' to Scarlett for making these recognitions.
..........Widder
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I load up the .45 Vaquero's with blanks using SG primers. My ariel target shooting ain't exactly the best, but I have fun blasting
a few of them and letting those who survive know its time to leave the war zone.
I'm not allergic to the stings and rarely get popped. But I still keep an agressive attitude towards Yellow Jackets and Wasp.
..........Widder
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The video above is excellent, as he is a world class shooter.
Video's by Deuce are also 1st class and very informative. Deuce is also a world class shooter and know his firearms as well
as anyone.
Video's by Widder also are good and fun to watch. There are 3 'Dry Fire' practice videos that are helpful with the 97.
The 97 ain't exactly slow. A good 97 shooter can basically make it sound like a SxS, even with a single loading technique.
And some 97 shooters can make a semi auto shooter feel ashamed.
The Oak Ridge Outlaws are having their monthly 'TUESDAY' match tomorrow on the action pistol range.
Shooting begins at 9:30. I plan to be there. Bring your guns and ammo and join in on the fun.
Usually, only about 12-15 of us show up for this TUESDAY match. We shoot 5 stages and have a blast.
Come join us. There's enough fun for everyone!
Personally, I like the LNLR ammo for the SG.
..........Widder
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I don't trust 'bonus' stuff that can favor a particular person(s).
Example: Stick the knife in the stump..... and the stage writer brings HIS favorite throwing
knife. Same with hatchet, trickery of poker card colors, etc.........roll the dice, blah, blah, blah.
I 'earned' a 'P' once by NOT shooting at a bonus flyer that hit the ground and broke apart
BEFORE I could get a shot at it. I think its stupid to shoot at a flyer that's already broken
on the ground and earning a 'P' for not shooting at it.
On the other hand, I enjoy KD's with rifle/pistol and make up with SG.
These are challenging and entertaining. God bless the stage writers who
take time to create a stage with a little extra fun like rifle/pistol KD's.
..........Widder
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A hearty congratulations to Jen. She's a great competitor and even a greater asset to our game.
Friendly and fun to shoot with.
..........Widder
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2 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:
Probably keep escalating until Israel nukes Iran.
Or something close ^^^^^
Sooner or later, the citizens of Iran might overthrow the Regime. Who knows?
They've been at odds since nickels were made of wood. Those folks over there are the original 'Hatfield and McCoy'
feud families.
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Because I have both types and shoot both types regularly, those who prefer a tube over the box magazine only
because they are weary of misplacing the box mag, let me share this with you.
Indeed, its easier to lose a box mag than a tube. BUT, those tubes can bend and they also have internal springs and a follower
which can malfunction..... although rare. And, also rare (but does happen), the tube is under spring pressure
when the mag is full of ammo and if its little locking pin gets wiggled from its little notch, the tube will propel itself out
of it 'mother tube' and you've got another situation you did'nt anticipate. And remember, that tube can bend and be
unusable.
As for the box mag, such as the Ruger 10/22 or the 'B' mags in the Savage models, those can also have a spring
that can 'give up the ghost'........ but in my experience, its no more rare or troublesome than the 'Tube' issues that
can occur.
All this stuff is so rare is that we never hear about it much. Pick the rifle you want and be happy with the manner
in which it holds the ammo. That are some great .22 rifles on the market.
Grandpa and his boys (my uncles) had some super nice rifles from their day. But they would be enamored with the
quality and choices we have today and wouldn't think twice whether it was a box mag or tube fed rifle.
Good luck..... and keep a healthy stock of .22 ammo.
..........Widder
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If ya want to go 'lightweight', don't overlook the Marlin model 60 and especially the Remington Nylon 66 (no longer made).
The Nylon 66 can still be found at gun shows or pawn shops and is super light and handy.
I have both, along with a few supped up 10/22's by Volquartsen and KIDD. Great for accuracy.
But I probably enjoy shooting my model 60's as much as any .22 'rifle' I have.
..........Widder
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1 hour ago, Whitey James said:
I just bought a new Ruger/Marlin 1894 in 357. Have only shot one match with it so not much to go on. Is this just a Marlin Design flaw or was this a Remlin QC issue that may have been solved?
Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.
The design itself IS NOT a flaw but rather the integrity of the ramp material.
The RAMP needs to be 'timed' in relationship to the OAL of the ammo. Normally, this is all well and good from the factory.
Occasionally, the timing ramp may be off enough to give problems even on a new rifle.
BUT, the fix is to make the timing ramp using material that isn't prone to wear, such as a hardened piece of carbide steel
used for the ramp. Even something like a piece of jigsaw blade is a great improvement and isn't prone to wear much.
EDIT: although this isn't a design flaw, normal usage of the 1894 won't wear on the timing ramp.
BUT, Cowboy shooters use these rifles 100X more than the design ever realized being used.
Therefore, it wears down, which in turn, offsets the timing.
..........Widder
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For anyone having issues with the 'Marlin Jam', these carriers from Jackrabbit should solve your timing issues
and prevent the Marlin Jam problem.
The $35 plus carrier swap is a darn good price.
..........Widder
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I guess because. 99% of my shooting is fun type practice and plinking..... it would probably be a .22 LR.
And that .22 would be the S&W model 41
If I were to choose a rifle, it would probably be the Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt.
..........Widder
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9 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:
No way should Bama have passed UT though. The last time they played UT showed them the door. Too much politics in the ratings.
TM
YEP, the Longhorns should still occupy #1.
If TN can get pass the Razorbacks and Gators, The VOLS and Bama game should be a couple GOOD undefeated teams again.
I predicted that Bama would beat the Dawgs. I also think the VOLS will win in Knoxville.
BUT, I think the Dawgs will edge out the VOLS when they play down in GA.
I dont know if the VOLS still have to play those Cats from Kentucky. I hope not. Them guys are crazy set on whoopin
up on rank teams.
I dont know how the Longhorns schedule is set up but hopefully they play atleast Bama or GA.
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Indeed, a great game. I like both teams, but I was rooting for Bama.
The excitement in the game almost reminded me of the TN-Bama game back in 22.
And KY whooped up on Ole Miss. I loved it.
The SEC can never be accused of being 'boring'.
I also thought Virgina Tech got that last second TD and here is my reasoning: The VT player had the ball in his possession
when he hit the ground. Within a moments time, the Miami player push it out of his hands........ BUT, that particular Miami
player had already landed 'out of bounds' with his torso and elbows touching 'out of bounds'. This would have negated ANY
action committed by that Miami player as 'voided'. Therefore, VT should have been awarded the TD.
..........Widder
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I like peanuts. In the jar are o.k.
BUT, I REALLY like Peanuts that are still in the shell. What is about those Peanuts that are seemingly better?
..........Widder
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Hey PatRiot,
when are you gonna load up some 'thunder boomers' and let us know what you think about em?
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El Chapo,
if you can, let me know if the .454 brass you have also has the slightly recessed area around the flash hole.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing its designed that way because of the smaller primer pocket.
I once read that original .454 Casull brass used large pistol primers but Dick Casull decided that small
primers were better suited for the higher pressures generated by the .454
My guess is that my Hot .45 loads generate LESS pressures than my .44 Mag loads.
..........Widder
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More info on the brass:
If you look down inside Starline .454 Casull brass, you will see the brass has a small
recess in the bottom, around the primer flash hole area. This is probably why the Casull brass has more volume than
.45 Colt brass.
The numbers above indicate that LESS pressures are likely obtained using Casull brass than with .45 Colt brass when
using the same data for 'HOT .45 Colt' loads.
..........Widder
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9mm inquiry: questions, dilemma, etc......
in SASS Wire Saloon
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ShadowCatcher: After I check with one of my local smiths, I may have to get that chamber checker.
JEDI Creeker: Those 'one 9mm owners' are those folks I know who always tell me they have a '9mm pistol'
but rarely shoot it because of ammo cost. Actually, I know a few 'one owners' that also own no other firearms.
For whatever reason, they chose a 9mm for their 'all purpose' gun.
..........Widder