Garrison Joe, SASS #60708
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Hate (literally) the Win 94 I have in .45 Colt. Never runs a magazine without a jam. Stroke long enough to load a .300 Win Mag. No one else wants it either. Guess I'm picky. GJ
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32 minutes ago, bgavin said:
Question: does a taper crimp also have merit for cast lead bullets in the '06?
Nope. So WHAT if the crimp bites into the copper plating or the poly coating? You are not making bullseye competition ammo. Plinking does not take sub-moa accuracy. You WILL need the stronger bullet "pull" that a roll crimp provides to get the powder to burn well when you are using a fast powder and a light bullet.
Use a moderate ROLL crimp, either into the crimp groove or a full-diameter band of the bullet. Won't need a hard bullet (12 BN or harder) for your purposes.
Load with 12 grains of Red Dot. Or Unique. Or 7 grains Bullseye. Fire away. You don't want to load H4895 for a light cast bullet load anyway.
Here's a great primer that applies to 30-06 cast bullet loading over a wide range of power, by perhaps the biggest guru of cast bullet reloading.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?13425-Cast-Bullet-Loads-for-Military-Rifles-Article
BTW - this tagging of your question onto another topic hides your question from most forum readers. You would get more answers by starting a new topic for this wide diversion from the original topic.
good luck, GJ
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'73 easier to take apart for deep cleaning. Much less chance of an Out of Battery discharge. Better fit for most folks statures.
The most used rifle in SASS is the 73. So, more likely you can sell one faster (and for more money) than a '66 if you want to later on.
The real way to tell - drag your carcass out to a local match and try them out. Bet you will be offered the chance to shoot a wheelbarrow full of guns. Ask lots of questions and thank all the kind cow-folks.
good luck, GJ
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That is not an appropriate substitution to make unilaterally. With customer permission, perhaps.
Those will be stout loads for cowboy.
good luck, GJ
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15 hours ago, Hogleg Hunter said:
Why would a removable cylinder make the gun not acceptable?
Doesn't by itself. It can be a clue, however, that the design may not be pre-1900.
Did the design that this specific manufacturer (IJ) used for this model (the Cadet 55-SA) originate with IJ before 1900? No, it first was used by IJ in 1961 or so. So, IMHO, this makes the Cadet not a legal "SASS pocket pistol." I have seen several British Bulldog guns with short barrels used successfully for pocket pistol matches.
IMHO, the rules for Pocket Pistol are just about the hardest to understand and make accurate application of, in all of SASS's regulations. Be aware also that there are usually very few pocket pistol side matches. Usually takes a state match or higher for there to be enough attendees to get to a critical mass of PP and Derringer shooters to make a side match go.
good luck, GJ
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I shoot Iver Johnson black powder or smokeless era top breaks. Never had anyone complain that the smokeless gun having better steel and a hammer safety is not legal for pocket pistol. Even though the Third Model were not made until about 1908 - the basic design dates from about 1894. But your IJ Cadet is a LOT newer than that.
Most all of those old IJ guns will be "loose" and may not even stay latched when fired. Check them carefully before you by. Make sure the double action still is reliable. Use VERY light smokeless loads. Not even factory 38 S&W ammo if you want them to hold up for very long.
Now, SOME pocket pistol match directors may allow a
removable cylinderpost-1900 design like your Cadet. You can always ask.A lot of pocket pistol side matches are won with well-cared for Smith "lemon-squeezers."
good luck, GJ
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Regardless of what you think of US police departments and state governments, neither are going to allow multiple home invasions and murders by any group of outlaws. If someone really believes the US will not be able to enforce order in the near future, then yes, something other than a varmint gun is in order.
If they are losing chickens, then a better maintained hen house may be in order. Rarely is the head of the house awake when a varmint hits the hen house. Especially if they don't own a dog.
A shotgun will be more effective and easier to hit the target with if you are wanting to interrupt a night raid on the poultry (or stop a home invasion). Pistols are rarely anything but noise-makers in the dark and in the hands of someone who doesn't practice much.
Feel-good-defense-purchases are pretty easy to make.
Effective home protection takes more planning and practice and commitment.
Best if you decide beforehand what the real need is, and what the level of ability is of the likely firearm user.
But that Win 94, even if a gunsmith is found who is willing to smooth up the action, is not a very conventional defense gun (regardless of how many B Westerns someone watches). I could use one, but it would be after I ran out of ammo for shotguns, semi-auto rifles, handguns and maybe even 22 semi-auto rifles.
good luck, GJ
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Legal if they are break opens, because swing-out cylinder guns not allowed. Also, fixed sight, pre-1900 design with barrel length of four inches or less. You should verify that those exact models you are considering were first made no later than 1899.
Not familiar with the H&R 925 model. But it seems to be a top-break gun that was first made in 1964. Which would have adjustable sights and also not meet the 1899 cutoff, IMHO.
Have a book on Iver Johnson revolvers, and the only Cadet named model is the Model 55-SA, which was first made in 1965, is solid frame with swing-out cylinder, and would not be legal for a couple of reasons. Can you find a Model name or number other than Cadet on it? The Model 55-SA should say that on the top strap of the gun. If there were other models marked Cadet, the Goforth "bible" on IJ firearms doesn't mention one.
So, sounds like neither one fits the rules found in the Shooter's Handbook on page 31.
Reliability will probably depend upon how much use/abuse/deferred cleaning they have seen. Both were second line guns compared to the top-of-line S&Ws and Colts of the day.
good luck, GJ
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Black powder really NEEDS to be dispensed to a volume, not a weight. The amount of compression affects it's burn and resulting accuracy. I never weigh my individual charges in .44-40 or .45 Colt or .45-70 with black.
And only weigh individual smokeless charges for smokeless powder for high-precision rifle loads. Other smokeless reloading is done on progressive loaders after setting the measure to drop the weight desired, on average.
good luck, GJ
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Simple Savage or even CZ bolt action .22 solves a ton of varmint visitation vexations. At the cost of having a gunsmith try to lighten up the stroke of that Win 94 Angle Eject, which is probably too heavy and too much gun anyway. Ammo will be one quarter the price, too.
Unless he has 400 pound varmints....
GJ
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Be careful about cutting a Model 12 barrel below about 20 1/2 inches, makes reassembly a pain.
good luck, GJ
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19 minutes ago, Griff said:
Oh, and my son loves "unloading" ammo, reloading? Not so much!
There are consumers, and there are shooters. Many today are just consumers. Some wise guy centuries ago wrote about "Much sound and fury, signifying nothing." Believe that applies to lots of ammo dumping I see at ranges today.
Could it be that high volume shooting helps contribute to our current ammo buying panic? Where a range trip involves shooting up 500+ rounds?
Yeah, sure, it's great for ammo vendors. For building shooting skills? Not quite so much.
good luck, GJ
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A shooter who does not understand that every gun has it's own favorite load has not gained enough experience to worry about. And if you think a gun writer has found a perfect load for YOUR gun by shooting his choices of factory ammo in his gun, you are seriously ill. It's the precision shooters (of either rifle or pistol) who are MOST in need of a custom load.
Only in shotgun ammo does accuracy not play as much importance. Consistency of velocity and high quality shot (thus patterns) rules those sports, and even that is possible to obtain with custom loading.
Let him go spray bullets around targets. Put your first shot where it needs to go with confidence.
good luck, GJ
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16 minutes ago, Cat Brules said:
How tough would it be ... to hire somebody who knows what they’re (writing) about
Old saying, Those who can - do it. Those who can't - write magazine articles.
Besides, articles in most magazines are accepted so that advertisers will have a publication to place their ads. Articles don't have to be right, just eye catching. Like news broadcasts.
Masterson feller was an exception, and could sorta do both. And that Skelton feller - sure miss my monthly dose of Skeeter stories.
good luck, GJ
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Yes, Win 231 / HP 38 powder can be used for cowboy loads. It's meant for power loads, so it won't go to real low power levels. Look for loads in the manuals with either powder name. Won't be real clean (like Clays), but it works well. I have personally shot .45 Colt cowboy loads made with this powder.
For example, a starting load for 231/HP38 for .38 special with 125 grain lead bullet is 3.8 grains of powder to make 876 FPS.
Right from the Hodgdon on-line loading data at:
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com
good luck, GJ
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4 hours ago, Cholla said:
A few absolutely will not.
Possibly shot in a machine gun.
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It damages the slug inside the cartridge to resize a loaded cartridge. Slim above has the answer - you are bulging the case mouth at the crimp most likely. For most folks, this means the bullet seater is set to seat a little too deep, and then when the crimp is applied, the edge of mouth can't fit into the crimp groove cleanly. The brass has to go somewhere, so it bulges just below the crimp. One can feel the bulge with fingers, or measure with a caliper (digital or vernier). If larger than the rest of the cartridge diameter, even a thousandth or two, it can be a tight fit getting it into a chamber or cylinder.
And yes, the Redding Profile Crimp die is by far the best die to apply a crimp with on thin-wall bottleneck cartridges. And it works well on the straight wall pistol cartridges too. It is only a crimp die, not a seater/crimp combination. So keep your current seat/crimp die, just back off the crimp that it applies and let the Redding do that part.
good luck, GJ
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No to retempering. Very hard to guess exactly a good temp to quench and to draw when you don't know the steel used.
Browning company parts service:
https://www.browning.com/support/parts-service.html
Art's Gun Shop - a well known factory repair center in Kansas (IFRC)
Ol # 4 - this thread from last December describes a spring he has for BSS lever.
https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/309829-browning-bss-lever-spring/
If all else fails, a SlixSpring for the Colt 1878 (TTN) may have the right shape.
Good luck, GJ
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Simple Green cleaner is banned from US Military aircraft cleaning (and probably any aluminum cleaning) since it is corrosive to aluminum. Has been known to be so since at least 2001. Of course, Nickel plating is not Aluminum. But I'd consider it off limits myself. Use tested gun cleaners on firearms - they are too expensive to damage trying to save a few bucks a year.
good luck, GJ
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No, there are two real BP sites, different names and different URLs. Powder Inc is in Arkansas. Powder Valley in Kansas. Both very reputable outfits from my experience. I've ordered BP from both.
I can believe that Powder Inc may not have the high level of IT support that Powder Valley has.
Powder Inc sells no smokeless powder. Powder Valley does mainly smokeless, with a variety of BP as well.
Note - as I got to some of the second level pages on Powder Inc sites using Chrome browser, even Chrome starts showing a malware warning.
good luck, GJ
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Details that Firefox shows on my windows 10 machine:
www.powderinc.com has been reported as containing malicious software. You can ignore the risk and go to this unsafe site.
If you have ever ignored a warning about Powder Inc's site, you may have a cookie set that says you are wanting to ignore the warning now. And probably another 100 reasons why your computer does not show a warning. I can easily confirm that Firefox shows the warning on MY machine. As the OP reported.
Computers, contrary to popular opinion, can give different results than other computers, based on the history of software installs, updates, and even user choices in the past.
good luck, GJ
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It's some sort of problem between the Powder Inc web site and the Firefox browser. Perhaps there is a minor malware situation (as the alarm says) with the Powder Inc site which Firefox detects and other browsers do not.
Chrome browser on Windows thinks things are fine.
Edge browser on Windows thinks things are fine.
This isn't the end of shooting as we know it......
good luck, GJ
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They ARE a wide-body shotgun. Action is as wide as two 12 gauge barrels "side by side," you might say. Nothing svelte to see there.
good luck, GJ
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Remember that repair work on the outside of a nickeled gun will stick out like a sore thumb unless the gun is stripped, rebuffed and replated. Almost sounds like your wife could be well served by a nickeled gun (minimal modifications down the road), whereas you would be better off with stainless or blue.
The popularity of a nickel plated gun in the black powder era was due to trying to prevent rusting (when the guns were not cleaned well after firing). Now I hope we all know that any gun shot with BP needs to be cleaned in a timely manner, then re-oiled. Cleaning is actually better at protecting firearms from BP corrosion than nickel plating.
Stainless can be buffed to the same high polish as nickel. Ruger produces revolvers in either matte or buffed stainless, Nickel has a slight golden tone in it's color, while stainless does not.
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Winchester 94 - 44 Mag
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Stripping it down is a pain. Putting it back together right is even more so. Be warned.
Mine's not rough, but it won't feed very reliably.
good luck, GJ