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  1. 20 minutes ago, MaverickRV7 said:

    but don’t fully understand the power factor concept

     

    The power factor was adopted from other action shooting sports..  It's a momentum measurement. 

     

    So here's the formula:

     

    PF = Muzzle Velocity (in FPS) * Bullet Weight (in grains) / 1000

     

    Our cowboy shooting calls for a minimum of 60 PF.   So, a 100 grain bullet * 600 FPS / 1000 = 60 Power Factor

     

    It takes a very weak load in .38 or .357 to fail to meet the minimum PF.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  2. Nope.   Only if you were loading for that S&W revolving rifle, and probably I would not do it even then.  BP is pretty easy to ignite, the subs also.

     

    Enlarged flash holes are useful mainly for blanks!

     

    good luck, GJ

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  3. Have done - counted and RO'ed for M.B.. and Scr. and H.T. and E.R. and others running 12-14 second stages.   It will make you wonder on a round-count stage "Did I just see that right?"    :o

     

    Not every SASS pard is up to that task.  So, the Clint Eastwood  "limitations" line applies in spades.   

     

    good luck, GJ

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  4. 20 hours ago, Fordyce Beals said:

    original dilemma that I can not count fast enough if the total stage time in this case was 12 seconds. Not being able to comprehend the possible engaged target engaged I make no call.

     

    Well, if you are spotting or even ROing some of the best shooters, and you can't count fast enough or see well enough (or stop a shooter quickly enough) then hand off the spotting stick or timer and do some posse work which you can handle well.  This game is based on and requires spotters to see ALL misses and skipped targets, and an RO who counts rounds fired and also watches target order.  When a range officer "gives a fast shooter a pass" because of their speed, it does hurt all other shooters at that match.  Speed is the main goal and the winning strategy of the game anymore, and not having spotters who keep up with that increasing speed hinders that part of  the game. 

     

    We thank you for helping, just make sure you are up to the job.  And yes, we know all the match officials are volunteers.  No one thinks less of you if you say "I can't spot for this shooter..." 

     

    "A man's gotta know his limitations"

     

    good luck, GJ

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  5. 13 hours ago, Rufus Hurt said:

    the cylinder stop is fairly new, the cylinder stop spring and plunger are new.

     

    Gunsmith rule 13 -

    If some parts have been changed, tuned, monkeyed with recently - the problem is likely with the parts that were changed, or how they have been (mis) installed.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  6. I just trim down used .45 Colt cases and they run fine in all my .45 Colt handguns - no neck thinning needed.  Cases last longer before cracking than the ones Starline make, as well.  I figure my used .45 Colt donor cases cost me 5 cents per and I can convert about 50 an hour in my spare time.

     

    Either way, running a .45 auto cylinder or C45Spl cases, you will be 100% handloading exercise.  Not much ammo factory made.

     

    Probably a good chance a new cylinder will also need a little tuning to make it time just right with your existing gun.  So leave some room in the budget for fitting. 

     

    I have a Ruger with both cylinders - I have shot the .45 Auto cylinder maybe twice in 50 years.  And I load a ton of .45 auto cartridges.  Just don't enjoy shooting the Blackhawk that way.

     

    good luck, GJ

     

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  7. Could even have happened if the shooter loads 6 rounds in the cylinder, and fired all required rounds.

     

    Trust what your spotters called for any misses or skipped targets in the string's order, and what your RO called for did not fire enough rounds.    THAT is the truth as far as SASS scoring is concerned.

     

    If they all said, 10 hits and 10 shots fired, then you probably have a 6 round cylinder load.  Did you count empty brass from that revolver?  Were there 4 or 5 fired cases?

     

    good luck, GJ

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  8. Having a buyer or seller tell you he needs to have an intermediary instead of him/herself carrying the main part of the transaction - is a VERY big flag.   Especially if brought up after the initial discussion of terms! 

     

    I've been in three of those type of long-distance transactions in times past that I continued with because they were SASS members at the time.  All three went very poorly, two required great pressure to straighten out, and one required intervention by a LEO to achieve delivery of the firearm.  Those all got straight before we were done, but some were a lot of work.  Remember with a firearm transaction, there is a Federal requirement for someone to record the REAL buyer and the REAL seller.  If you take the word of an intermediary about the item, or the financial transaction terms, or take ID that they show you, you would be one of the persons likely to face Johnny Law if something is suspected of being in violation.  I find that the intermediary VERY RARELY knows even the basics of what is going on, and never seems to be willing to help straighten out a disagreement.

     

    Remember that any payment form but cash needs to clear your OWN FINANCIAL INSTITUTION and deposit into your account before you release the item to a buyer.  Beware of "fees" that the other fellow declares have popped up after settling terms.  Never take a form of payment that is "indisputable" like PayPal Friends and Family, Zelle, and many other instant electronic payment systems.  Having funds go through a Federal clearing house in this case will actually be a good thing. 

     

    good luck, GJ

     

     

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  9. Happy Trails retired from his parts manufacturing and gunsmithing about 10 years ago.   I'll almost certainly say you've got a scammer on the line.  Someone who can afford a rifle can afford a real email account - many are free.  Wrong age, wrong location, just wrong.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  10. Just about any gunsmith worth the name of the profession can do that very easily and quickly.   Including relocating the front sight.  Carbines are sometimes a little harder, but then again, they rarely need shortening!  Find one local to you and save shipping 2 ways.  If needed, ask local club members!

     

    good luck, GJ

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  11. Cleaning brass in the laundry is not proper lead oxide contamination removal.  It's more like a lead transfer to clothes that you will then wear and  spread dust around the house, vehicles and other places.    Or are you suggesting a separate laundry machine just for washing brass with a bunch of old rags thrown in for agitation purposes?  GJ

     

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  12. I shot real BP in a .45 Colt 73 for a couple of seasons.  Yes, action needs to be cleaned a little more often than a .44-40 rifle does.  Usually that was hose down the carrier and bolt with my cleaner after each day of shooting, as well as cleaning the barrel.   With a .44-40 I could skip over the action cleaning on multiple day matches.  So, the bottleneck case really only only saved maybe 1/3 of cleaning work.   Also, bottleneck cases designed in the 1800s are very thin and require a little special care when loading.  I never was content loading .44-40 with black and some filler on a progressive press.  .45 Colt I did.

     

    Sorry to hear Randy Redman is limiting his work now.  He has done a lot of barrel relines.

     

    Here's other gunsmiths who advertise barrel relining services:

    http://www.oregunsmithingllc.com/Reboring-Relining-MuzzleBrake.html      Wayne York

    https://johntaylormachine.com/

    https://www.facebook.com/p/Freischutz-Shop-100067685107021/    Bobby Holt

     

    Personally, I've not had a barrel relined.  Did have one recut from .357 to .429.  Many trips-around-the-sun ago. 

     

    good luck, GJ 

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  13. A loose tail of the extractor from a poorly fit extractor pin can make the extractor lose it's grip on the brass as the carrier rises up to meet it and give it a kick.  Resulting in jammed or weak extraction. 

     

    My test for proper tension- open action half way.  Put a fingertip under the nose of the extractor.   If you can lift the nose up higher than the top of the bolt without having your finger feel like you are going to tear a groove in it, the extractor does not have enough tension.

     

    GJ

     

     

  14. It's a gun that has been unwanted and unfired for 40 years.  Time to show it some use for which it was designed - shooting!  It's no one's heirloom at this point.

     

    But, it is now one man's property - to do with as he pleases.  If you are just beside yourself with unease at the concept of it being fired, then be quick and make a healthy offer to purchase it.

     

    THAT is capitalism.    GJ 

     

     

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  15. The importer is not going to matter - with respect to valuation or quality.

     

    As said above, these guns do not have any collector premium.   Just shooter's value, and that is largely limited to cowboy shooter crowd since VERY few hunters or other type of shotgun shooters wants side by sides now.   So, it matters little who the exact importer was and how nice the engraving is.

     

    Barrel length if shortened to remove chokes ruins any standard shooter value.  It might add $50 to the value to a cowboy since they don't have to cut it.

    Other Cowboy tuning and smithing work (even by the very best) also - only of value to cowboy crowd.  And that is a shrinking group.

     

    So, the only real value is as a shooting gun in cowboy action.  That makes it something you have tuned to suit yourself, and if you EVER do sell it, you won't get much out of it except to a cowboy who likes what you have done.  That makes it a $500 to $700 firearm.

     

    6 hours ago, Tall John said:

    if you were me, who (which gunsmith) would you pick and why?

    Pick the fellow closest to you that you have seen his handiwork.   Most likely with an SKB ALMOST any cowboy gunsmith will do a fine job, if you tell them exactly what you want.  SxS guns are the simplest things to work on in the sport.  Johnny is working on a few guns by appointment and might not be able to fit something else in right away.  But maybe you would get lucky. 

     

    good luck, GJ

     

     

     

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  16. 5 hours ago, SHOOTIN FOX said:

    I found it odd that the screw fit in both positions

     

    Comes about from the hole in the tube being machined sloppy and lots larger than the tip of the lock screw on the mag tube.   Mine have same condition - I can install the screw when the tube is one rotation short of all the way in.  So, I screw in the tube as far as possible then back out the tube part of a turn until the holes in tube and frame line up, and screw in the tube lock screw.   And, all my barrels and frames were factory marked with a sharp chisel to show proper tube alignment - they are just hard to see.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  17. Place a small scratch around right side of the mag tube that is just flush with the frame forward surface.  Use a sharp pointed awl or similar tool.  Then next time, you screw the tube in until the scratch meets the frame. 

     

    Glad you found the problem.  GJ

  18. Yeah, I have for several summers now seen the Ps mount up quickly in NM club matches and annuals in hot weather, especially on a 5th or 6th stage at 1 or 2 PM.   That is with lots of reminders to drink lots of fluids.   Some folks are obvious about drinking extra in hot weather.  Many are not.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  19. Low recoil is all about light payload, slow muzzle velocity and the weight and fit of the gun (heavier and nice fit give lowest felt recoil).   That's about it.  So, load light and shoot a heavy gun.  Factory ammo in 20 gauge will usually not even come close, as you know.   You will need to load, as you know.  And very little 20 gauge cowboy light load data is available, so unless someone here has a great load, you will have to build one up yourself.   You will want about 1/2 ounce of shot and 800 FPS, perhaps 900.   That means a really tall (long) wad and maybe even some filler (cards, etc.).    If you use a roll crimp, you can adjust the hull length to fit with minimal use of fillers.  I'd suggest you get spun up on that.   Powder brand will matter very little.  Wad will matter little.  Something in the range of Unique or Winchester WST might make a nice light load.  You will not be wanting to load to even the minimum in published loads  - all off the bottom of the loading book data.  Be careful of squibby loads.

     

     

    Or, you could just learn to shoot your shotgun from the waist by "feeling" the aiming point instead of shouldering it.  Then you could use light factory loads in either 12 or 20 gauge, most likely.  Several shooters are real good with this approach.

     

    good luck, GJ

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  20. Look at your primers for pressure.  Loading shorter than 1.580" will certainly raise pressures over what a a full-length OAL would do.  If you are showing significant primer flattening or even cratering, that is too hot a load even for normal loading, and certainly very hot for SASS matches.   Probably 4.2 grains or so would be a typical load for cowboy matches.

     

    Sounds like your fired case sticks when trying to get the carrier to kick it free from the extractor and eject it.   Often that is due to the shape of the top of the carrier block, which is what EJECTS the case.

     

    Watch your fired case as you run the lever.  You should be able to see almost every possible binding cause on a 73 rifle - the action is very visible. 

     

    good luck, GJ

  21. Typically, you would turn the sorting plate upside down when you see "many" .45 Colt cases clogging the slots.  Thus, dumping the Colt cases and clearing slots for continued screening.  It's made for screening a few hundred cases, not thousands of cases an hour in a continuous operation.  GJ

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