Phantom, SASS #54973
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8 minutes ago, Col Del Rio said:
I am looking for a pair of 22 LR pistols. Anyone here use the Rugers? I think the Wrangler loads like the Vaquero, is that true?
Pistols...or Revolvers?
Yes, the Wranglers are SAO Revolvers with a loading gate.
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Really?
Like Griff said...in addition, going with a "Cowboy" gunsmith might not be the best way.
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1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:
This is a pretty simple question, and I think I know the answer after looking in the handbook, but I want to confirm it.
The "largest" caliber that is SASS main match legal would be 56-50 Spencer.
The "smallest" caliber that is SASS main match legal would possibly be .32 Short Colt. Or it might be .25-20, depending on how you define "smallest." Both may very well have problems with the power factor and knockdown targets.
I think you're mistaking Caliber with Cartridge...
But, I think the Handbook is pretty easy for folks to interpret...
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Nice looking leather...not "great" for the competition side of the game...but if that's not important, who cares 😉
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2 minutes ago, Hanso Lowe said:
The question came up this past weekend when a TO that did not see a P, assessed the penalty assuming only one spotter that did see it was needed.
TO does not need to see the "P".
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4 hours ago, JohnWesleyHardin said:
I wouldn't call a P as a TO unless 2 of the spotters saw it too. No it's not a rule, but I always give the benefit of doubt to the shooter. That's not wrong, that's just how I roll.
Actually, it is wrong.
Thanks for cheating out the rest of the shooters.
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On 10/27/2024 at 12:41 PM, JohnWesleyHardin said:
You should have 2, but the TO can call a P by himself.
Wrong.
There is no "should have two" any more than you should have 3.
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On 10/25/2024 at 3:16 PM, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said:
ya pay your money and ya take your chances
NEXT SHOOTER !!!
"Next shooter"... Such dismissive responses show that many don't see CAS as a true competition.
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19 minutes ago, Chickamauga Charlie, SASS #47963 said:
Dude, i get what youre saying but the shooter does not have option to stop shooting as the rules are written. If we had to grant reshoots everytime rolling stock or bowling balls failed at winter range we'd still be finishing matches from 12 yrs ago.
I'm not saying that he/she should stop shooting.
You know as well as anyone that crazy stuff has all but been eliminated at large championship type matches. I'm just leaning towards advocating that if a target fails in any way that the shooter must reshoot. This is the only way to keep a match from being nothing more that a dress-up event that has some irrelevant shooting mixed in.
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5 minutes ago, Hoss said:
But where do we draw the line?
At Championship level matches...all prop / target failures are reshoots.
How else do you keep a competition consistent?
No need to respond...I'm not into your mocking.
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6 minutes ago, wyliefoxEsquire said:
Yes, some of the WTC post on this forum expose the reality that some TO's do not know the rules.
For example "WTC - 170 rule" and "Walking in front of guns"
Okay...just confused as your post made reference to PWB's post...had to do with Prop Failures so I thought your comment had something to do with Prop Failures. You even specifically said "Once again this is an example of Timer Operators not knowing the job.".
So...yeah...I'm confused.
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3 minutes ago, wyliefoxEsquire said:
Once again this is an example of Timer Operators not knowing the job.
Can you elaborate on this answer?
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30 minutes ago, Frontier Lone Rider said:
The 10 - 10 is pretty much true for most stages and matches, unless you eject one and need a reload. The 4 for shotgun can vary. I just shot an Annual that had 6 shot gun on almost every stage. More fun for everyone.
Obviously one needs extra...but defining extra is rather hard to do.
If someone want to only bring the "exact" amount of ammo that they will need to shoot a match...they better have a nice little crystal ball.
And seriously, why do you take up half a page with your "list" of achievements?????
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You can only answer base on usage. Basically 10 rounds of rifle, 10 rounds of pistol and 4 SG per stage.
Multiply by how many stages the club shoots...this is why you can't use the above mentioned 60/60/25 number. Some clubs shoot less than 6 and some shoot more.
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About the fastest reaction time to for a human is around 100 milliseconds.
So...
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33 minutes ago, 9245 said:
I will only use it after extensive test firings, as it stands I have every confidence that it will be safe with black powder, especially with the pop gun loads that I intend to use.
What's the mean time between failures on that SG?
As Larsen as said...so I agree. I'm done.
Last thing: You are terribly irresponsible.
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1 hour ago, 9245 said:
I am aware of the issues with Damascus barrels (actually technically laminated in this case), they are not considered safe for smokeless loads and should only be used with black powder, which I plan to do, using brass cases and square loads.
Please take into consideration those around you that have no idea how crazy you're being with your choice of shotguns. If you want to shoot it, do so alone or with folks that are willing to take the risk.
Oy...
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1 hour ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:
At a shooting competition prop failure should be a mandatory reshoot. Apparently not at a SASS match. . A clay bird popper that breaks upon release doesn't add any time to the shooters score but they usually automatically get credit for the hit. The example given was a big advantage to shooters who didn't have to shoot the moving target.
To the degree possible you want shooters to compete against each other shooting the same match. If the target didn't activate for enough shooters so that reshoots would hold up the match you need to throw that stage out. If at a large match it only occurs for a couple of shooters you do have enough time to require reshoots.
Absolutely 100% agree!!!
This prop failure gets a Freebie is stoopid!
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23 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
I engaged just fine, you don't seem to want to accept what I have to say.
Guess I haven't been to enough "high-level" matches and done walk-throughs with the best.
My loss, I guess. I'll have to wallow in mediocracy. Oh me...
I've redirected questions in response to you and the best you can do is throw out attacks on me...not my arguments/positions.
What's with all the mockery? It's rather childish and certainly unproductive.
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23 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
Glad to see you're back in form; missed that.
Demean (my definition) on!
You seem to be unable to answer my question...engage in meaningful debate without a personal attack.
That's fine. Says a lot about you.
Perhaps someone else will take off where you left off...
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Just now, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
"The assumptions that some folks make about another's ability to comprehend is fascinating..." Bring anything to mind???
You have a interesting definition of demeaning.
1 minute ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:If, now just if the instructions said that the activator must activate before continuing the stage, the shooter would stop and start over and the ambiguity over whether to stop or continue and whether to offer (and to take) a reshoot or not would be solved. Make sense?
The shooter should NEVER stop during a stage unless instructed to cease fire...but you know this. I would assume that you also shoot at a lot of big matches and do walk-thru's. I can forgive a MD for not covering in the Write-Up the unlikely situation (in their mind), of the Swinger not swinging.
So now back to the actual WTC issue which actually has to do with whether this is a simple "Prop" failure or whether this kind of situation warrants a forced reshoot.
You poopoo the analogy of the Timer showing a time that is obviously not correct. Without using the word "Prop", what's the difference?
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Just now, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
And the stretches made in some explanations are fascinating.
Not even close to the same thing; one is taking advantage of bad instructions, the other is just cheating.
You can keep arguing and demeaning if you prefer though.
Demeaning...show me where.
What were the bad instructions...exactly?
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7 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
But... if you use a little imagination, you may just be able to see where a little diligence in writing the instructions could avoid this situation.
Should be offered a reshoot for target failure and should take it. Ya good?
The assumptions that some folks make about another's ability to comprehend is fascinating...
This kind of failure is significant...question: Is this any different than having a Timer record a time for a shooter that is obviously incorrect?
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3 minutes ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:
Requiring a reshoot in this case might bog a posse’s progress in a major match. I would not advise it. I would shoot the stage as the shooter did and not stop. Stopping might earn misses for all my unfired rounds.
No one said to stop the shooter. You do and record the time. Then go to the MD.
3 minutes ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:There are other situations where prop issues give a shooter an advantage. A clay might be thrown broken and therefore be declared a hit. Multiple plates might fall on a plate rack. The downed targets cannot be missed. At a Plainsman match yesterday some small targets fell off their posts. They were to be reengaged. Shooters just lobbed rounds in their general direction without needing to aim carefully. Such occurrences are common in CAS.
This is a significant advantage...and there are reasons why you don't see clay birds in competitions that matter any longer.
What the decision has now done to the match is divide it into to completely different matches. One with an active swinger and one without. Problem is these two completely different matches are scored as one.
I would suggest that those that don't see this as a problem are those that frankly are not into CAS for the competition...
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Going to shoot my first match tomorrow and all I can think of is...
in SASS Wire
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You'll screw up...just don't kill anyone.
That's about all you need to do on your first match.
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