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Phantom, SASS #54973

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  1. 11 hours ago, sarcasmn said:

    I think this is aimed at the “home defense tactical” market.  When I occasionally go to the local range I see more and more Marlins and Rossi’s with top rails and tactical front ends that take lights. Lots of red dot sights and barrel threaded for a silencer.  (I know people will correct silencer with suppressor but the original patent stated silencer). 

    people seem to be scared of what the ATF is going to do about AR type rifles and the old fashioned lever gun seems to be making a come back.   A lever action does not have the “black gun” look and is socially acceptable.  

    Makes sense to me.  A good pistol caliber lever gun is easily handled. 


    Actually, it has more to do with folks being bored of the MSR market and want something different...doesn't have a lot to do with the "home defense tactical" market.



  2. 19 minutes ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

    And your "hmmmm......" means he did or did not vote the way the bunch of clubs he represented voted?  

    Please...read as much or as little as you want into my comment.


    Afterall...it is the Wire.



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  3. 38 minutes ago, Come On Christmas said:

    So the other Phantom has been banned off the wire.  That’s rich.  He be talking like he is “pure as the driven snow” to me on PM.

    A long time ago...come on Shameless Womanizer, you were around back then and know it.


    How's about I post your rambling PM's that you sent me with folks. Then they can see what kind of person you really are:o


    Me...I'm consistent. I don't try and be someone different on Social Media.




    PS: You lied again by saying that I portrayed myself as "pure as the driven snow". Never did...and I'll be glad to post the whole thread.

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  4. 3 hours ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said:

    There's a Fragon Hill Dave?  Is that Dragon Hill Dave's evil twin?:P

    No...probably the Conservative twin...





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  5. Look, if it's in its original condition and original finish, it has collector value. 


    Were a bunch made? Yes... and many of them have been beat to crap!  People will poopoo a 97 like it's a fricken Hi-Point... But it's not.


    So, you have a somewhat collectable 97 that isn't ideal for CAS primarily because it's a three screw. If you want a 97 for CAS I would look for another 97. Keep the one you have to preserve a little bit of history.



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  6. 4 hours ago, Sammy1897 said:

    I personally love the early 3 screws with their "round knob” style pistol grip – I think they are beautiful.

    Of course... But the point of my comment is that they break.



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  7. 33 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

    Hello to everyone who shoots 12 gauge all brass Magtechs.  Midway has 'em.  Just $39.99 for a box of $25 plus tax and shipping.

    Does anyone else think that's over priced?



    Okay, I'll bite.


    Who's fault is it that they are overpriced? The retailer, wholesaler, manufacturers or their suppliers?


    Or some nafarious cabal!





  8. 3 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

    Huh? Is there a point or story the OP is trying to tell?

    Careful or he'll send you a bizarre PM accusing you of weird stuff:wacko:



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  9. 25 minutes ago, Bitterroot Jake, SASS #9532 said:

    I recently picked up a Marlin 1894.  I replaced the lever plunger spring with a reduced power spring from Wolff Springs, now the lever will not remain closed most of the time.


    Is this normal with these springs?  Any remedy other than going back to stock spring ? Does seem safe to me

    Send Widder a message. It's good to get info from folks that know what they are doing.



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  10. 15 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:


    Ah yes, the built in Marlin 'governor' that raises its ugly head when the rifle if functioned 'real' fast...... as in Cowboy fast.


    Here's how that happens, especially on the .38/357 calibers.  It can happen with the .44 and .45 calibers, but not as extreme, and I'll 

    explain why.


    The factory Marlin .38/357 carrier is built up in the middle portion of the carrier.   This design allows the cartridge to rise up in a 

    basic level position as the bolt pushes the round into the chamber.

    Once the Live round is pushed into the chamber, the carrier falls back down and the next cartridge coming out of the portal

    moves into position and sits on the front half of the carrier,  depicted by being able to see its rim at the load gate.


    Now, before I go any further, I need to explain this detail to the non-gunsmiths on the Wire.   Your Cowboy gunsmiths know

    this.   The reason you can see that round at the loading gate is because THE LEVER is holding it in position.  When functioning

    the action, the round follows the lever back and when the lever (the portion inside the receiver) is vertical, the rim will fall

    off of it onto the carrier.


    Now, when you fire that live round and proceed to withdraw it from the chamber, the position of the lever has already allowed

    the next round onto the carrier.   And because the middle portion of the carrier is designed with that built up area, the

    RIM of the cartridge on the carrier will often 'kiss' the rim of the empty cartridge before the ejector can kick it out.

    Therefore, the two rims often touch, although its often only a few .000's.


    This is no big deal when shooting 1/2 second splits, but when you allow those rims to 'kiss' at speeds of .35 or faster splits, your gonna have

    a traffic jam in your feeding.   Your trying to feed up a new round at the same time your rifle is trying to eject the previously

    fired round.


    The Widdermatic carrier, with its center section cut down, will put about 1/4" space between the ejected round and the

    live round on the carrier.  Plus, the modified carrier is set up to position the cartridge more favorably on the carrier, and other

    more subtle 'tweaks' are made to the carrier.   Now you have a carrier that will work at any speed.

    The videos show this better than I can explain.


    The carrier design in the .44 and .45 calibers doesn't have the 'high' build up like the .38/357 caliber.   And the rim 'kissing'

    effect isn't as critical, atleast in those I have worked on.   BUT, modifying the carrier on a .44 / .45 1894 can also enhance

    their functions.


    Didn't mean to be so long winded, but I hope this helps those interested.






    I'm not a Marlin guy, but this is awesome info!!!


    Thanks Widderborg!!!



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