Constable Nelson #11784
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Other (action type) shooting sports actually have rules and procedures in place for when an accommodation IS an advantage. The MD is required (with the wisdom of Solomon required if you ask me) to adjudicate just what approximate % advantage the shooter has received... and up to a maximum of 20% of the points shot on that stage are deducted.... Some similar idea COULD be instituted in CAS I suppose... personally I'd rather just keep things the way they are. trust people to only ask for what they NEED.... and let them play as best they can.
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A feature that was built in...but never proceeded with?
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I should have realised this was about physical limitations....and there is lots of good comment here on that! Having said that there is another road some may find themselves on (as I did) .... that of finding other/additional activities that end up taking over from CAS. I started shooting IPSC about 10 years ago partly at least BECAUSE it was shot on Sunday mornings...thus never interfering with our local Cowboy shoots.. Forward 6 or 7 years and I found myself thinking of IPSC the way I thought of CAS for so many years - with great enthusiasm - and NOT thinking of CAS that way any more... So.. I shoot IPSC twice a week now... (and Wild Bunch once a month.. which is probably not surprising....lol) I actually have some minor feelings of guilt about it all..which is silly of course....
CAS now is "as and when". The last Cowboy match I shot I was really at to assist with a WB RO course. Yes, I had fun...but, other than the PEOPLE....it just doesn't mean as much to me any more.. Thats life I guess.
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All "action" pistol sports in Australia have a holster qualification requirement. In some cases it is used as a general test of Rule familiarity as well as a written and/or practical exercise of holster proficiency. It is IMO rather more important in, say, IPSC than CAS... for obvious reasons..
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No recruit shots...but a few others...and this one lol
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On 11/5/2021 at 12:58 AM, Oddnews SASS# 24779 said:
I would, but I'm on an assignment in Germany and can't shoot at all. My only current access to firearms is in books and magazines, and the SASS wire.
That complicates matters! Have you tried to meet up with any German Cowboys?
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14 hours ago, Oddnews SASS# 24779 said:
I remember a stage I shot back about 1994. You were seated at a table. There was a bowling pin on the table representing a bottle of whiskey. To start the clock, you threw the "whiskey bottle" at a popper about two yards away (you didn't have to hit it). Then you shot a cardboard silhouette with a deringer (or pocket pistol of your choice) then stood and engaged 10 pistol and 10 rifle down range. I miss having those little tricks and scenarios in the sport.
Then write stages like that for YOUR club, set them up and DO IT! I don't understand this implication in some posts that these things can not be done for some (unstated) reason. We had a WB stage at our last shoot where you started with a deringer.... just do it! The only restriction I would suggest is (as was stated upthread) to avoid stuff that distorts the results with NON SHOOTING activities. Like giving a bonus for things some people are good at and others aren't... or involving pure chance. Include ANYTHING... off the clock, if folks enjoy it. If its ON the clock make it something "universally doable" AND quick.
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Second the suggestion for Bisbee and Ft Huachuca... but they are a long way South. Tombstone is VERY kitschy...but still worth a visit... (especially in a group in costume lol) The Arizona Sonora Desert Museum (actually a zoo, natural history museum and botanical garden) near Tuscon is a favourite of mine...but then I'm a foreigner so everything there is "new" to me.... especially the Rattlesnakes!
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On 10/15/2021 at 4:23 AM, John Kloehr said:
Slow down and be very careful before selling (or possibly buying) any "home" reloaded ammo. The ATF has no sense of humor.
See this:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/person-who-reloads-ammunition-required-be-licensed-manufacturer
Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?
Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit.
No, if the person reloads only for personal use.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41]
Its good to be cautious...but personally I find it hard to see how someone who loads for a buddy on the basis of - say, component cost plus a beer or two, can in any way be considered to be "selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit" YMMV.
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38 S&W and 38 Short Colt (or shortened 38 Spec) do not have the same dimensions... best get some 38 S&W brass IMO...
In more general terms, if looking to use 38 Short colt brass for higher powered loads in modern guns (such as I do in a 627 for IPSC) ...start with moderate 9mm load data and work from there. Case volume is virtually identical. Its a relatively popular option in those guns. (I jokingly call it "9x19 Rimmed")
EDIT: I see Larsen beat me to it!
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Most of my IPSC group use coated pills.... velocities between 1000 and 1200... never seen a problem... but - as already mentioned...no need for that sort of velocity for Main Match Cowboy shooting..
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There are exceptions or "leeway" given in some other areas of the Rules...(170 when drawing/holstering etc) I would personally suggest this is another area suitable for similar consideration. Whats that saying? "Don't be a hardass?"
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On 10/4/2021 at 1:04 PM, Scarlett said:
We are way too hesitant to call shooters for violations. Vertical guns break the 170. Carrying your guns from the stage in a lazy fashion with the SxS muzzle forward (and broken open of course) breaks the 170. I’m so tired of some shooters attitudes - it’s unloaded…. You know it’s unloaded… blah blah blah.
It’s really quite simple. Break the 170? SDQ. New shooter - warning unless it’s egregious. It’s not subjective… If I’m timing and look down your barrel or you otherwise break 170…it’s a SDQ. I don’t want to be nor do I like being hard ass but complacency is dangerous. Not understanding gun safety is dangerous.
Hugs,
Scarlett
OK...so how do you suggest one DOES carry it from the stage? You are disallowing holding the barrels vertical...because THAT is breaking the "170". If you don't hold it vertical, you say one is also breaking the 170 because the SXS muzzles are "forward" . What does that leave? (And what exactly IS "forward" once you leave the line/unloading table? Is it any direction one happens to be moving? But if it's tilted "backward" or "sideways" isn't that ALSO breaking the "170"? So HOW does anyone move a SXS ? You are saying it can't be vertical, AND can't be angled.)
Seems to me VERTICAL when moving to or from the stage, past other people and so on, is the only rational/safe method.
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On 9/15/2021 at 9:19 AM, Buckshot Bear said:
The buffalo ones are what I'd like to cut out first and then sometime down the line to add some interest the card suite.
We aren't allowed to have any target(s) that resemble a human, even our IPSC cardboard targets don't have the square 'head' portion.
It may be best to avoid them "just in case" but AFAIK noone has ever run into problems using the "cartoon" style figures like the SASS marshal target... We certainly haven't.
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If a match official (or anyone) is DOWNRANGE from the shooter as seems to be the case in the previous example...that seems extremely harsh. For many years Down Under we simply did NOT allow a shooter to walk "behind" anybody on their way to the unloading table.. which of course avoids that problem. (I got quite a shock on my early US visits when spotters/others would be far enough forward that the shooter had to walk behind them.) As for the "170 applying" all the time...that means ANYONE who carries any gun (NOT on the firing line) with the barrel vertical is in breach. The 170 applies upwards too. Seems to lack commonsense... (And as already pointed out - without a firing line how is the 170 defined?) A crowded car park....muzzles vertical seems like a really good idea to me!
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On 8/30/2021 at 11:26 AM, Buckshot Bear said:
Here one of the biggest gunshops (by sales) in Australia -
https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Products.aspx?Category=Rifles&Brand=2By reading the replies, I'm glad I didn't get ripped off and went for a Uberti factory short stroked.
Just be aware that the Uberti factory short stroke is still not the same as the short stroke and action job available aftermarket.....
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7 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said:
I just can't see anything soft like rubber/silicone offering any resistance.
Why not 'spring' for a couple of spring loaded 12g practice snap cap rounds?
They are quite pricey and I would want to have at least 8 dummy shells for practice... (With a SxS) They also don't feel right!!!
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18 hours ago, Raven Law Dog said:
I have both Yellowboy and 73 model Ubertis. I love the beauty of the Yellowboy and it is fun to display and shoot! Having said that, it is indeed a little trickier to get back together and sharp edges and all. One main thing you may consider when shopping, the 73s are much more common in our sport and much easier to buy already slicked up than the Yellowboy! Buying used already slicked up can save you anywhere from $300 to $600 bucks. I'm just sayin! The popular 73 is also a lot easier to resale. My Yellowboy is my backup now. Happy Trails!
And that is almost certainly even MORE true Down Under!
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6 hours ago, Quiet Burp said:
Lots to read and take in with the replies.
I was pretty sure I wanted to go for .45 but doing some searching on here it seems that a lot (not all) western action shooting go for .357 and then shoot .38's out of both their rifles and pistols.
I've got lots to think about before I rush in.
Especially here in Australia you will save quite a bit of $$$ by loading 38 instead of 45.... Unless you plan to shoot Classic Cowboy or REALLY just want to shoot 45's I'd suggest you think VERY hard about that. The Uberti made 73's (and I suppose 66's though I have no experience with them) are outstanding for CAS.... ONCE TUNED. I don't know if you have seen what THOSE sell for, if not you may get sticker shock... The 92's are very strong and can more appropriately do double duty for hunting (if thats a concern) but few people can run them the way many can run a 73. The Marlin 1894's are also good rifles and have their own following. Unless budget constraints are paramount (and they might be!!) I would NOT buy a 92 based on the savings over a good 73.. (or Marlin even) You have already got the best possible advice....get to some matches BEFORE buying anything!! You will get to see whats in use... and most folks are happy to let you handle and often even shoot their guns...
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Those Super X are a bit stout for CAS. If you can get Winchester "Low Noise, Low recoil" (commonly nicknamed "featherlights" ) that would help, they are usually available here in OZ... Not cheap..but then we don't shoot a LOT of shotgun. Another option is the Kiwi made Falcon "Saloon Cowboy Action". They are kinda cool with the roll crimp...and work fine in my SxS and 87...
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1 hour ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:
By not square-cutting the barrel end to less than min legal length. But it depends how legal length is measured. And we have no way to know what was in the mind of the person who cut the barrel, so everything here is just speculation.
I believe legal barrel minimums were established to address "sawed-off shotgun" concealability. (I could be wrong). So logically the longest length would seem to be the point of legal measurement. Perhaps a LE officer would care to clarify.
Agreed. If that is in fact why it was cut like that presumably it was done with the idea that if ANY part of the barrel was 18", then it was legal?
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I think the requirement for a PAIR of pistols would cut participation/interest quite badly. At our WB matches I have started a Side match "Precision Pistol - Other than 1911"
and am hoping to see some interesting guns appear eventually. (Pre 1946 or faithful reproductions of course...lol)
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On 8/2/2021 at 3:45 AM, Tequila Shooter said:
I see we’ve gone a little sideways on the original question, the question was also to lift the quantity restriction on primers. As @Tennessee williamspointed out SASS shooters load more than hunters and our usage is more likely in line with USPSA and other competitive shoot’in sports, and 1K primers don’t go far. IMHO
Interesting point. (Although as an IPSC shooter as well I would suggest the AVERAGE Practical shooter shoots more than the AVERAGE Cowboy. And in the USA WAY more of that has in fact traditionally been factory ammo) ) Has USPSA been able to finagle a discount on components for their members? If not, then that only adds to my initial impression that it wasn't going to happen on SASS's asking....
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5 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:
So the population of Reloaders is approximately 5 million.
And what you say carries weight in the Market Analysis...hmmmm...so I would be interested in why Irish Ike seems to think (remember that he stated that he'll assume all SASS active members reload), that the Market consisting on SASS shooters is "too small to even show up on their market capture analysis".
But I do find it quite amusing that he would quote a number that is mis-representing the Reloading population...by like...15 times...assuming that the NYT number is somewhat accurate.
Oh well...such is life on the Wire.
Phantom
Regardless of reloader numbers... (Wondering how many Dillons have been sold in the US...that might be a guide???
) ... ...to suggest any kind of discount for 5,000 primers is extremely hopeful....IMO I once got a SMALL price reduction for 25,000.... and was suitably grateful...
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Anybody ever change their Alias
in SASS Wire
Posted · Edited by Constable Nelson #11784
Ive seen folks who started in the game YOUNG reach the point where the "super cute" alias they had at age 13 was really no longer appropriate!!!