Hawkeye Kid
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1. Similar scenario as previous topic, this time with static targets.
10 targets spaced 1 foot between each target. With rifle loaded with 10 rounds, engage all 10 targets no specific order.
Wind knocks down target 10. Shooter started on target 1, hit target 1, 2, and 3; Spotters saw a miss behind target 4, Shooter finished hitting targets 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. -
11 minutes ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:
Can YOU 100%, hand to God - absolutely positively guarantee they didn't?
"Benefit of a doubt goes to the shooter" is a basic founding tenet of this game.
Trying to interject "I think" and "I dont believe anyone would do it that way" into the scoring instead of simply analyzing the objective measurable result of the shooters actions is why 90% of these "Whats the call" threads exist.
We have all seen it - someone has an accidental discharge but still strikes the correct target; do we penalize them because they "should" have had a miss?
No. Because we score on objective results - not anyones opinion of what "should have happened".
Agree you can’t be 100% hand of God - absolute positively guarantee on what the shooter was trying to do or not do.
You can see the miss, and depending on target placement was the miss in the vicinity of the target? Hard call if targets are close together to say which target was being engaged, far apart not so difficult. However, I do agree benefit of a doubt goes to the Shooter.
Lucky to be the Shooter in these situations.
No call - clean.
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7 hours ago, Chief Rick said:
This is the first time we've run this scenario with the targets set up in these positions.
We called it clean.
Per pistol instructions, only standing bottles or misses on the dump plate are misses - after 10 rounds, there were no standing bottles or misses on the dump target.
Per rifle instructions, there was no target order. 10 shots were fired and 10 plates were down.
Would any of you calling a P or a Miss change your call if wind had caused one of the rifle targets to fall?
The issue was with some of the rifle target locations not allowing a clean miss of a pistol target without affecting a rifle target. This is not an issue with stationary targets, but as you can see it can have an effect on knock-downs. I have ideas on how to make that work better going forward.
We don't shoot these often because it takes a lot of time to set them up in first place to ensure they fall reliably, without falling with a gust of wind. It also takes considerably more time to reset.
That said, we enjoy variety and using what we have.
This is an old issue that will never get resolved with 100% agreement. If the wind (or pistol shot) knocked down rifle target #10, and the first rifle miss was after engaging rifle target 3, can you honestly say the shooter skipped from target 3 aimed at where target 10 was, jumped back to target 4, and finished the string? If down target was one after the last target hit, (3 is hit, 5 is down, next target to engage is 4) you could make the case shooter jumped from 3 to 5 and back to target 4 to complete the string. The no call scenario would be Target 3 is hit, 4 is down, 5 needs to be engaged, a miss on 5 could be considered engagement of target 4, shooter gets to try again on target 5.
However, the general consensus will be 10 shots fired, 10 knockdown are down, clean,next shooter.
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Anyone know the secret on how to replace the lever spring on an SKB 100. The leaf spring has a tab that fits into the lever screw and a pin on backend. Somehow the two spring ends fit in the frame area around the lever screw, base is held by a pin that fits into frame.
Sorry no pictures.
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Raj sent me an email, 2 pair will be waiting for me at EOT.
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If Eagle would come out with an extended grip (like the Texas Grip) with the reactive checkering they would have a big winner. Great for duelist and people with big hands.
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Hi Jack, you didn't mention the year this transaction was made. Found my USFA manual, its rev 5 dated 2001. Under the Introduction it states " Firearms are hand built by true craftsmen and undergo the highest quality control in the industry. To complete the process of making our frames they are machined right here at the Armory."
I believe USFA never made their own barrels. Bought stock and cut/machined to length.
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A old high school friend, before Gary Granger, who worked at USFA, told me many of the early barrels were sourced from Wilson Arms in Branford CT. Even all the Uberti parts were stamped with the USFA markings. Having a barrel off an USFA with any Italian markings sounds very odd.
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will take a box. PM to follo
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will take two bags.
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will take 1 bag of grays and the AA reds will send PM
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My BP rifle is a Uberti 32-20. Full case of BP and 115gr bullet will take down any knockdown and makes plenty of smoke. Being a bottleneck cartridge, action stays clean. Because Uberti uses the 38 special bolt and carrier, feeding and extraction can be a problem. I use big lube bullets and had Shotgun Boogie modify my bolt with his spring extractor and lower the extractor to correct for the difference in cartridge diameter between the 38 special bolt and 32-20 cartridge.
Also have a Colt 3rd gen and US Firearm revolvers that I use occasionally.
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Tom check the thread size, difference between 1st and 3rd gens. FYI, S&S Firearms in New York has 1st gen screw and pin.
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The screw in my 3rd gens have threads the full length of the screw. Pitch is 32. Most 1st gens screws are 24 tpi.
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Didn't realize posting picture would be so pain full. Is there some delay on the number of posts?
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Ok few pictures
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I will get some pictures out later tonight. If you thought the tab on the Uberti was bad, wait tell you see this one. Just a thin post.
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I picked up one the other day from GunBroker. The 38 spec with the 20in round barrel. Haven't had time to actually fire it, did some dry firing with dummy rounds. Cycling was smooth, but not like a well turned gun from one of the top smiths supporting SASS shooters. Actually smoother, than my stock Miroku 73. What is interesting the caliber is marked 38 special but the carrier is the same length as the 73 - .357 rifle. Rounds loaded to 1.57 inches cycled much better than the 38 spec length of 1.42 inches. Sorry no pictures - compared to the non-shootable 150th year commemorative rifle fit and finish are about the same. Course the wood on the commemorative is outstanding compared to the stock gun and the bluing looks slightly darker on the commemorative. Price was the same as the Uberti's on Gunbroker.
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Mr. Pettifogger,
Nice design - looks very similar to the light weight level safety springs being made for the Uberti. Maybe one of the entrepreneur gunsmiths will start making these for the Winchester. In the mean time looks like owners of the Winchester 73 are on their own. What size wire spring did you use?
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Can you provide cost and contact information Mr. Lipowicz?
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I have been fairly successful with the Ruger Vaquero 4 3/4" barrel with the low spur hammer & short stroke. As someone mentioned Taylor has a Colt clone with the 1860 grip that is also short stroked. Recommend the .357s - buy the 38 Long Colt cases- holds a little over 1CC of 2F. No filler necessary.
What’s the Call - Round Left in Pistol.
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Scenario- 3 static targets each target 1 foot apart. With pistols engage the 3 targets in a double tap Nevada sweep starting on either end.
With the first pistol Shooter, hits target 1 with 2 shots, target 2 with 2 shots. May or may not have pointed pistol at target 3, holster pistol, draws 2nd pistol, hits target 3 with 2 shots, hits target 2 with 2 shots, hit target 1 with one shot.
Alternate Scenario - same as above, this time Shooter redraws pistol 1 and fires/hits target 1.