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Just have to brag and gloat a bit. The 8" is a standard Pietta 1860 .44 with a Walt Kirst gated "Saber River" engraved Konverter and ejector rod. The recoil shield has been milled with a channel for loading/unloading cartridges. The other is a Taylor's exclusive 3" inch barrel 1860 snub nose with a humped backstrap Thunderer style bird's head grip. It also has a Kirst gated Konverter with the recoil shield milled for ejecting. I named in my "Avenging Angel" after Tom Berenger's 3" barreled 1860 in the Movie of the same name.