Daylight savings time permanent?

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

I hope it fails. Leave it alone. We did that back in the 70s and it sucked.

JHC

[John Kloehr]

I'm in favor of pick one and stick to it, I don't care which. I'm also retired and will adjust my schedule to go with daylight when I want. Which is what it is now, but I don't have to deal with two odd-hour changes each year.

 

Frankly, the whole time change thing messes up my cat too. Why should he even be involved. It's none of his business.

 

Edited July 25 by John Kloehr

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Permanent standard time would be best.

[Cypress Sun]

31 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Permanent standard time would be best.

 

This^^^^^

[Rye Miles #13621]

Just stop with the insane clock changes! Pick one and keep it!!! I don’t care which one! 😡

[Widder, SASS #59054]

I love it like it is right now.   I like a late sunset and long, warm evenings.

 

..........Widder

 

 

[Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062]

we already got it ..... just a dang inconvenience ....

[Kid Rich]

We (AZ) did not go for that BS.

kR

[Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680]

People say this is a bad idea because kids will have to go to school in the dark. I always thought DST was dumb because you're changing the clock instead of just changing your schedule, I wonder if this time people will start school at 9 instead of 8 if they're worried about the dark or maybe just use street lights. 

[Tex Jones, SASS 2263]

Just change it by half an hour, then everyone will be upset.  😝

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

5 hours ago, Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680 said:

People say this is a bad idea because kids will have to go to school in the dark. I always thought DST was dumb because you're changing the clock instead of just changing your schedule, I wonder if this time people will start school at 9 instead of 8 if they're worried about the dark or maybe just use street lights. 

That’s never going to happen. It makes too much sense! 🙄

[Stump Water]

I vote for standard time year-round.  

 

That said, the time change prompts me to change the dub-lay battery in the clocks in the shop and reloading room 2x a year.  If time changes go away I've no idea how I'll manage.

[watab kid]

im for standard time - because i know that half hour change will never work for anyone - otherwise id be all for it , problem is all the other time zones would need to adopt it and that aint happening in our lifetime , just pick one and stick with it , 

[Still hand Bill]

I have never understood the hate for the 1 hr time change.  Honestly I think what we have today is about as good as it can get if you live in the northern 1/3rd of the USA.  I like sunset after 8:30 in the summer and while 7:30 sunrise sucks, it’s far better than 8:30 as it would be on dst.  
 

I am one of those people who struggles to wake up when it’s dark.   Always have.  I also have traveled extensively and lived 14 hr time changes every 2-3 weeks.  1 hr is nothing.  The fundamental issue is that there simply is not enough hours of daylight to have light before and after a 8+ hr of work in the winter.  You get just over 9 hrs of daylight where I live in the winter, that’s it.  When the world revolves around a roughly 8-5 schedule that pretty much uses up all that daylight.  I don’t care if the sun sets at 4:30 or 5:30, if I leave work at 5 it’s dark when I get home.   I do know it’s easier to wake up if it’s light out, so I would rather have any extra daylight in the morning in the winter.  Now in the summer when  we get 15 hrs of daylight, why not move a hour into the evening.  Our current system does this, so why change it?

[Rip Snorter]

Simple answer - you don't have dogs.  Their schedule change takes some time.   Not just a clock reset!

Edited July 27 by Rip Snorter

[WD Farren]

I prefer permanent Daylight time myself.

The biannual change does not bother me.

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

Got about 15 small digital devices with clocks in them.  Each changes the time manually and differently, except for one alarm clock which can sense when the time change happens, and the several computers...   Some are complex enough that I have to pull out the manual twice a year.

 

Changing time is for the birds.  How did we ever live BEFORE we had DST, only Standard Time?  The 1700s, 1800s, 1900s were all WRONG?   Nope! 

 

Time is NEVER saved, just folks get to stay up later in the summer without an excuse.  

 

good luck, GJ

[Stump Water]

And if you're a farmer the days are longer in the summer and shorter in the winter.  Doesn't much matter what the hands on a clock say.

[Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator]

On 7/25/2026 at 8:38 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

I love it like it is right now.   I like a late sunset and long, warm evenings.

 

..........Widder

 

 

Me too.  And we have something "governmental"   to look forward to twice a year.

[Rip Snorter]

Turn of the century they had Railroad Time as well - more than complicated.

[watab kid]

14 hours ago, WD Farren said:

I prefer permanent Daylight time myself.

The biannual change does not bother me.

im good with that , i just want to stop changing twice a year , this has always been a stupid thing 

[Still hand Bill]

19 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Changing time is for the birds.  How did we ever live BEFORE we had DST, only Standard Time?  The 1700s, 1800s, 1900s were all WRONG?   Nope! 

 

Time is NEVER saved, just folks get to stay up later in the summer without an excuse.  

 

good luck, GJ

Time zones came into being in the 1880’s.  Before that I believe each town set its own clock with 12 noon being the high point of the sun.  Really other than railroads and sun sightings with a sextant, time was not as important to be accurate.  Accurate timekeeping is import for mapping and location.   the advent of modern timepieces was a huge advancement in technology.   There is a book, Longitude, that tells some of this story.  
 

then for railroad watches the crash in 1891 was the beginning of the standard.  

[Equanimous Phil]

The EU parliament decided in 2019 to get rid of the change, but the countries couldn't reach an agreement whether standard or daylight saving time should be permanent. So, still adjusting clocks twice a year here in Switzerland (which is not part of the EU but we would certainly join our neighbours' decision).

 

The clock change has quite an impact on everything work and travel related: Shift workers, night trains, police reports, birth certificates (the hour between 02:00 and 03:00 exists two times when changing back to standard time)

 

 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

On 7/26/2026 at 9:30 PM, Still hand Bill said:

I have never understood the hate for the 1 hr time change.  Honestly I think what we have today is about as good as it can get if you live in the northern 1/3rd of the USA.  I like sunset after 8:30 in the summer and while 7:30 sunrise sucks, it’s far better than 8:30 as it would be on dst.  
 

I am one of those people who struggles to wake up when it’s dark.   Always have.  I also have traveled extensively and lived 14 hr time changes every 2-3 weeks.  1 hr is nothing.  The fundamental issue is that there simply is not enough hours of daylight to have light before and after a 8+ hr of work in the winter.  You get just over 9 hrs of daylight where I live in the winter, that’s it.  When the world revolves around a roughly 8-5 schedule that pretty much uses up all that daylight.  I don’t care if the sun sets at 4:30 or 5:30, if I leave work at 5 it’s dark when I get home.   I do know it’s easier to wake up if it’s light out, so I would rather have any extra daylight in the morning in the winter.  Now in the summer when  we get 15 hrs of daylight, why not move a hour into the evening.  Our current system does this, so why change it?

With permanent DST in place. Winter Sunrise is 8 A.M. Not good....

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

This whole discussion makes it clear to me that a huge number of our elected officials are way to hell and gone OVERPAID!

 

Is this in any way what they got elected to do?  Isn't there ANYTHING else that deserves more of their time?

[Still hand Bill]

39 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

This whole discussion makes it clear to me that a huge number of our elected officials are way to hell and gone OVERPAID!

 

Is this in any way what they got elected to do?  Isn't there ANYTHING else that deserves more of their time?

They need to show that they do something.   Honestly I would rather they do nothing than do something just to say they did something.  They also don’t want to solve any real problems as doing so removes the need for them to be in Washington.  
 

the time change is an example of something that’s a compromise.  To get nice long evenings in summer and still have a reasonable sunrise time in the winter, you have to switch the location of “noon” in relation to actual 12 noon.  There is no way to have both while observing the same “noon” in many parts of the country.   Thus we either deal with a time change 2x per year or less evening sunlight in the summer or a later sunrise in the winter.  None of the solutions are without issues, thus any solution is a compromise.  

[WD Farren]

Arizona stays on Std time year round and it doesn’t bother them.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

How did we survive for 400 years without Daylight Savings?

 

Your argument is flawed.

[Barry Sloe]

We lived in Arizona for 30+ years and survived no time changes. 

Lock it in for one or the other. 

 

BS

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

I could live with it either way. But I actually enjoy when it changes. Just as I enjoy summer but I'm ready for fall and winter after the heat of summer.

[watab kid]

quit messing with the time - its time to be done with it 

[Stump Water]

From everything I've seen about it, it's not looking good in the Senate.

 

And of course it was "deeply unpopular" when we went to year-round DST in 1974, so congress repealed it a year later.

[Rye Miles #13621]

I’m not hearing anything about it. I think it’s dead, it dies every year! There’s no vote coming up that I’ve heard about. Get ready to “fall back” in the fall. 🙄

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I’m not hearing anything about it. I think it’s dead, it dies every year! There’s no vote coming up that I’ve heard about. Get ready to “fall back” in the fall. 🙄

 

A voice of practical reason. And spring back next spring too. At least we have good prospects for Viramontes in the summer, I expect the opinion will brighten whatever day it is.

[Rye Miles #13621]

2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

 

A voice of practical reason. And spring back next spring too. At least we have good prospects for Viramontes in the summer, I expect the opinion will brighten whatever day it is.

Viramontes?