question about Catholic wedding requirements

[Alpo]

It is my understanding that to be married in the Catholic Church, you have to agree that any children as the result of this wedding will be raised Catholic.

 

My question is what if you have children prior to getting married?

 

Okay, television show. Do whatever the hell they want to because it's a television show. Got it.

 

Bones. Booth is a Catholic. Bones and Booth make the beast with two backs, the result of which is Christine. They move in together for a couple of years. Then they finally get married. They are going to get married in the church. Bones doesn't believe and she knows that it would mean a lot to Booth so she is going to let that happen. And for some reason that I've forgotten that did not happen.

 

In the episode that I have just started watching it begins with an argument ---

 

Look, all I'm saying is that Church could be good for Christine.

 

That's what caused my wonder. If they had been married in the church - which they weren't - and Christine came along afterwards - which she didn't - they would not be having this argument because Bones would have already agreed that Christine would be raised in the church.

 

But since Christine happened before the wedding did, would that requirement apply?

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

Not trying to be a jackass, but from everything I've heard, FROM Catholics, most Catholic "rules" can be gotten around with a big enough donation.

[watab kid]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

It is my understanding that to be married in the Catholic Church, you have to agree that any children as the result of this wedding will be raised Catholic.

 

My question is what if you have children prior to getting married?

 

Okay, television show. Do whatever the hell they want to because it's a television show. Got it.

 

Bones. Booth is a Catholic. Bones and Booth make the beast with two backs, the result of which is Christine. They move in together for a couple of years. Then they finally get married. They are going to get married in the church. Bones doesn't believe and she knows that it would mean a lot to Booth so she is going to let that happen. And for some reason that I've forgotten that did not happen.

 

In the episode that I have just started watching it begins with an argument ---

 

Look, all I'm saying is that Church could be good for Christine.

 

That's what caused my wonder. If they had been married in the church - which they weren't - and Christine came along afterwards - which she didn't - they would not be having this argument because Bones would have already agreed that Christine would be raised in the church.

 

But since Christine happened before the wedding did, would that requirement apply?

well , its been 35 years now but yes we agreed to that and our children were already baptised at that point [christened if you please] we are both catholic so it was easy - what was hard was getting the previous marriages annulled , 

[Irish Pat]

2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

everything I've heard, FROM Catholics, most Catholic "rules" can be gotten around with a big enough donation

 

[Irish Pat]

some people do the wedding and never come back at alll and can care less. some are called CEO catholic.  Christmas and Easter Only

[Rye Miles #13621]

13 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

Not trying to be a jackass, but from everything I've heard, FROM Catholics, most Catholic "rules" can be gotten around with a big enough donation.

That’s not true at all! You go to confession and the priest grants you absolution from the sins. The church would expect you to abide by the rules of course but it has nothing to do with donations! 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

13 hours ago, Alpo said:

 

Bones. Booth is a Catholic. Bones and Booth make the beast with two backs, the result of which is Christine. They move in together for a couple of years. Then they finally get married. They are going to get married in the church. Bones doesn't believe and she knows that it would mean a lot to Booth so she is going to let that happen.

This touches on something that really annoys me.   You have a character on a TV show, who in almost every way lives in a way that is contrary to their stated faith, and then it suddenly becomes important for some reason.

If Bones cared about being a good Catholic, he would not have been sleeping with Christine before they got married.

There is an episode of Big Bang theory where Bernadette makes a big deal about how she can't lie because she went to Catholic school.  And yet, she's sleeping with Howard out of wedlock.

There's the episode of Friends where Ross is all paranoid about his kid celebrating Hanukkah because he's Jewish, when the rest of the time he is portrayed as an atheist.

There are many other examples across many TV shows and probably many movies.   I find it to be very bad writing.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

Not to worry Rye!!  Relax.  If you follow along, C.J.Sabre finds something wrong and to criticize with EVERYTHING.

[Rye Miles #13621]

36 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 

Not to worry Rye!!  Relax.  If you follow along, C.J.Sabre finds something wrong and to criticize with EVERYTHING.

I totally agree!😂

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

44 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

Not to worry Rye!!  Relax.  If you follow along, C.J.Sabre finds something wrong and to criticize with EVERYTHING.

Well, not EVERYTHING...

[Irish Pat]

what is worse is people that claim to be good catholics and are in favor of abortion as a form of birth control.  I was adopted by wonderful parents. I am glad  planned parenthood wasn’t around in 1951

[Alpo]

52 minutes ago, Irish Pat said:

I am glad  planned parenthood wasn’t around in 1951

Actually, it was.

 

"PPFA has its roots in Brooklyn, New York, where Margaret Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, in 1916. Sanger founded the American Birth Control League in 1921, and 14 years after her exit as its president, ABCL's successor organization became Planned Parenthood in 1942."

[Texas Jack Black]

4 hours ago, Alpo said:

Actually, it was.

 

"PPFA has its roots in Brooklyn, New York, where Margaret Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, in 1916. Sanger founded the American Birth Control League in 1921, and 14 years after her exit as its president, ABCL's successor organization became Planned Parenthood in 1942."

  Dig a bit further on Margret Sanger 

[watab kid]

8 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

That’s not true at all! You go to confession and the priest grants you absolution from the sins. The church would expect you to abide by the rules of course but it has nothing to do with donations! 

thats correct , but if you recall i mentioned annulment's ? well between us - 3 - and each cost us dearly in monetary terms , that was if we wanted to be married in the church by a priest , we did and we paid ,  OH , make no mistake about it , it was ALL ABOUT THE MONEY 

[Rye Miles #13621]

36 minutes ago, watab kid said:

thats correct , but if you recall i mentioned annulment's ? well between us - 3 - and each cost us dearly in monetary terms , that was if we wanted to be married in the church by a priest , we did and we paid ,  OH , make no mistake about it , it was ALL ABOUT THE MONEY 

That’s rare. It doesn’t normally happen like that to the best of my knowledge.Theres no set fees for getting married even after an annulment. They accept donations though. My ex got remarried and our marriage was annulled by the priest in her new parish. She got married there and it did not cost them anything but her and her new husband made a donation to the church which was not a lot. 

Edited July 19 by Rye Miles #13621

[watab kid]

13 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

That’s rare. It doesn’t normally happen like that to the best of my knowledge.Theres no set fees for getting married even after an annulment. They accept donations though. My ex got remarried and our marriage was annulled by the priest in her new parish. She got married there and it did not cost them anything but her and her new husband made a donation to the church which was not a lot. 

the fees were not after the annulment they were for the annulments - i know of the donations as well , biut i was talking about the fees up front to get to that point of donations 

 

the fees were very stiff many hundreds of dollars for each , a bir over 2k in 1990 # 

Edited July 19 by watab kid

[Rye Miles #13621]

12 minutes ago, watab kid said:

the fees were not after the annulment they were for the annulments - i know of the donations as well , biut i was talking about the fees up front to get to that point of donations 

 

the fees were very stiff many hundreds of dollars for each , a bir over 2k in 1990 # 

I don’t recall my ex having to pay that much but it was along time ago. We still talk so I’ll ask her. BTW she divorced him too! 😂

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, watab kid said:

thats correct , but if you recall i mentioned annulment's ? well between us - 3 - and each cost us dearly in monetary terms , that was if we wanted to be married in the church by a priest , we did and we paid ,  OH , make no mistake about it , it was ALL ABOUT THE MONEY 

Thank You.

[watab kid]

13 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I don’t recall my ex having to pay that much but it was along time ago. We still talk so I’ll ask her. BTW she divorced him too! 😂

well , so far we are not divorced and dont expect that either 

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Texas Jack Black said:

  Dig a bit further on Margret Sanger 

Don't really care about Margaret Sanger. Somebody, and it might certainly have been her, was all for birth control by sterilization. Wanted to do it on the blacks and the Jews because "they are inferior in the world would be so much better without them".

 

Like I say, that may have been her but I don't care. She's dead and she was crazy.

[Rye Miles #13621]

. In many Catholic dioceses, there may be a fee associated with the annulment process, but a person’s ability to pay should never prevent them from seeking an annulment.

Here’s how it generally works:

• Many dioceses charge no fee at all. Over the past several years, numerous dioceses have eliminated fees entirely.
• Some dioceses ask for a modest administrative fee to help cover the costs of processing the case.
• If someone cannot afford the fee, it is typically reduced or waived. Church law and practice are clear that justice should not depend on a person’s financial situation.

[Texas Jack Black]

22 hours ago, Alpo said:

Don't really care about Margaret Sanger. Somebody, and it might certainly have been her, was all for birth control by sterilization. Wanted to do it on the blacks and the Jews because "they are inferior in the world would be so much better without them".

 

Like I say, that may have been her but I don't care. She's dead and she was crazy.

 You brought it up🙃.Just saying.