is anyone else still think it's Fahrenheit and centigrade?

[Alpo]

I know people keep saying it's Celsius, but they keep saying that magazine is not a clip and a revolver is not a pistol and a silencer is really a suppressor. I don't agree with any of that so why should I agree with Celsius?

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

I know people keep saying it's Celsius, but they keep saying that magazine is not a clip and a revolver is not a pistol and a silencer is really a suppressor. I don't agree with any of that so why should I agree with Celsius?

I always figured Celsius and centigrade were two terms for the same thing; some metric temperature scale I don't use or care about.  The whole magazine/clip thing is in my opinion, overly pedantic, and not worth arguing about.  Pistol and handgun are again two terms for the same thing.  They are both generic terms.  All revolvers are pistols, but not all pistols are revolvers.  The NFA '34 regulates silencers.   That's the term used in the law.   The guy who invented them, and the patent, call them silencers.  "Suppressor" may be more accurate as to what they actually do, but it's a made up term with no legal definition.  As far as the law is concerned, they are silencers, and there is no such thing as a suppressor.  I will use the legal term.   

[J.D. Daily]

The problem with calling a removable magazine a clip is "clip" isn't sufficient to specifically identify it as a removable ammunition feeding device.  A clip could be a device, "stripper clip" to load a magazine or an "enbloc clip" that feeds the magazine and it retained in the magazine until empty.  When I hear some say "clip" unless they have identified the firearm you don't know what they saying.  I always remove the possibility of an doubt be using, magazine for removable box magazines. stripper clip for cartridges on a clip for easy reloading of removable & fixed magazines, and enbloc clip for feeding M1 Garands.  I believe Carcano rifles use enbloc clips.

P.S.  Hiram Maxim's son invented the firearms noise mitigation device & patent if as a "silencer".  Later he developed a reciprocating internal combustion exhaust noise mitigating device and use sold them as a silencer.  If fact  "Maxim" is still a brand name for industrial sound attenuating devices for gas flow born noise.  For industrial markets silencer is the correct term for them.  Muffler nor suppressor are used.

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, J.D. Daily said:

problem with calling a removable magazine a clip is "clip" isn't sufficient to specifically identify it as a removable ammunition feeding device.  A clip could be a device, "stripper clip" to load a magazine or an "enbloc clip" that feeds the magazine and it retained in the magazine until empty.  When I hear some say "clip" unless they have identified the firearm you don't know what they saying.

 

There are very few situations where the context doesn't make it clear, even without knowing the make and model of the weapon. 

 

 

Re metric vs US standard 

 

 

 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

Kinda like having changed BC/AD (Before Christ / Ano Domini) to BCE/CE (Before Common Era / Common Era).  Or Junior High School to Middle School.  Gotta make someone feel good...  

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

3 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

Or Junior High School to Middle School.

Technically there is a difference.  Jr, High is always just 7th and 8th grade.  Middle school adds 6th, and sometimes 9th to that mix.  Also, th structure of the schooling is traditionally different.  The day to day experience of Jr. High was always pretty much the same as High School. but middle schools tended to be structured with a different way of doing things.  

[Subdeacon Joe]

3 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

Kinda like having changed BC/AD (Before Christ / Ano Domini) to BCE/CE (Before Common Era / Common Era).  Or Junior High School to Middle School.  Gotta make someone feel good...  

 

BCE- Before Christian Era

CE - Christian Era.
After all, they start on the same date.

For a true "Common Era" we would use Ἔτος Κόσμου" (Etos Kosmu), the Year of the World/Kosmos. We are in year 7534, and New Year is Sept. 1st.

[Alpo]

6 hours ago, J.D. Daily said:

is "clip" isn't sufficient to specifically identify it as a removable ammunition feeding device.

So using the term "magazine" immediately lets the world know that you are referring to a "removal ammunition feeding device"?

 

 

 

 

No confusion at all. Nothing else in the world meant by the term "magazine"?

[Brock]

2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

Technically there is a difference.  Jr, High is always just 7th and 8th grade.  Middle school adds 6th, and sometimes 9th to that mix.  Also, th structure of the schooling is traditionally different.  The day to day experience of Jr. High was always pretty much the same as High School. but middle schools tended to be structured with a different way of doing things.  

Wrongo on the always.

[Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804]

My Jr high was 7th,8th,and 9th

[Nickle]

I hate the metrics 

Metric was forced on Canadians by frenchy French Trudeau Senior   
Cattle I think is only exception and still sold in pounds. 
So annoying. Nobody wanted when forced on us. 
Today’s phone generation doesn’t know any better because all they have ever used. 
most Canadians if you ask them how tall they are will still use feet and inches 

When they give the weather I always have to convert rain or snow into inches so I can visualize it in my minds eye. 
if I was in charge I would outlaw metric and French.  

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

22 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

There are very few situations where the context doesn't make it clear, even without knowing the make and model of the weapon. 

 

 

Re metric vs US standard 

 

 

 

I LIKE THIS GUY!!!

 

As for the silencer /clip/ magazine argument and others like them, WHO REALLY GIVES A DAMN!  The only time I get into a conversation about them is when some idiot wants to get in my face about something and then it's no longer a conversation, it's verbal combat and all the stops are out....and I will insult, belittle, question his intelligence and family tree, hurt his feelings, and otherwise go on the attack.

 

When I am finished I walk away and refuse to be involved any longer. 

15 hours ago, Brock said:

Wrongo on the always.

Brock is 100% correct.  Thanks, Pard.

 

I don't know where this came from.  I have been a teacher(and a professor, industrial instructor, college administrator, etc.), the son and brother of teachers, a relative and associate of many other teachers and NEVER heard this nonsense before.  

Sounds like some grad student's thesis gone awry...and then accepted by others who consider themselves, with no justification or proof whatsoever that is a fact, that they are smarter than anyone else.

 

When it becomes a problem is when a number of other "intellectuals" get on board and somehow get it accepted by more of their ilk who have the power "to force feed" this pablum to everyone else.

 

I have found the vast majority of these people to be no more intelligent than anyone else and startlingly high percent who are less so.

Edited July 19 by Forty Rod SASS 3935

[Stump Water]

1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

pablum

 

Haven't heard or seen that word used in ages.

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I LIKE THIS GUY!!!

 

Awwww....that's so sweet of you,  @Forty Rod SASS 3935 !  I had no idea you felt that way about me!  

 

 

[watab kid]

so - yes im still using those terms and no i dont 'recognize' any of the "renaming" thats gone on since i graduated high school , actually i refuse to recognize any of it - im still going with UFOs too  

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, watab kid said:

im still going with UFOs too

And VD

[Trailrider #896]

I was taught metric in Jr. High (6, 7 & 8th grades). I can convert from one to the other, given time. But I still cannot think in metric! 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

10 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Awwww....that's so sweet of you,  @Forty Rod SASS 3935 !  I had no idea you felt that way about me!  

 

 

Wasn't talking about you, Hoss, just the hombre in the video you sent. I  still don't like you all that much, you're just a step above most other folks.  Now if you were a woman I might...oh. never mind.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

10 hours ago, watab kid said:

so - yes im still using those terms and no i dont 'recognize' any of the "renaming" thats gone on since i graduated high school , actually i refuse to recognize any of it - im still going with UFOs too  

Going where......and can I come along?  It's been ages since I rode in a UFO.  

[watab kid]

17 hours ago, Alpo said:

And VD

not sure what they changed that to but if they renamed it yes 

[watab kid]

8 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

Going where......and can I come along?  It's been ages since I rode in a UFO.  

well - not sure where they are taking me but if they come your welcome to join me -  we can chat on the trip , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

49 minutes ago, watab kid said:

well - not sure where they are taking me but if they come your welcome to join me -  we can chat on the trip , 

 

Bellview. 

 

[watab kid]

26 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Bellview. 

 

i supose if they are wearing white and im in a straight jackeyt ........there coming to take me away ha ha 

[Subdeacon Joe]

Ho. Ho!

[Alpo]

2 hours ago, watab kid said:

not sure what they changed that to but if they renamed it yes 

Venereal disease (VD) was changed to sexually transmitted diseases (STD), which was then changed to sexually transmitted infections (STI). I believe this is the current term.

 

It's still VD.

[watab kid]

2 hours ago, Alpo said:

Venereal disease (VD) was changed to sexually transmitted diseases (STD), which was then changed to sexually transmitted infections (STI). I believe this is the current term.

 

It's still VD.

OK , i guess im familiar with the first two - they are diseases that you need to get treated for in my vernacular but i have no experience with the process , as to the infection ........sounds like someone trying to make something sound "not so bad" without the seriousness of the disease ...they should remember a lot of people died horrible deaths from these - notably al capone 

[Subdeacon Joe]

Remember when you graduated from high school or college? Not,  as in modern usage,  "graduated (school level)?" To my mind,  if you "graduate" somthing, you're calibrating and marking it, e.h.

 

 

 

 

 

Graduated in quarter,  half, full degrees.

 

Another interesting sight, actually a range finder. 

http://www.berdansharpshooter.org/stadia.htm

 

One side graduated in the average hight of a man on foot, the other in the average height of a man on horseback. 

 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

5 hours ago, watab kid said:

i supose if they are wearing white and im in a straight jackeyt ........there coming to take me away ha ha 

Ivy league smoking jackets are the best.  Sturdy construction, wrap-around sleeves, buckles in the back.........real stylish.

[watab kid]

13 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

Ivy league smoking jackets are the best.  Sturdy construction, wrap-around sleeves, buckles in the back.........real stylish.

can i have mine in a scottish plaid ? preferably my family colors 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

7 hours ago, watab kid said:

can i have mine in a scottish plaid ? preferably my family colors 

Probably.  If you have the money you can get almost anything you want.

 

Lessee now.  I can wear all four of the Taylor tartans, five or six Camerons, and all the Stewarts except Royal Stewart.

Edited July 20 by Forty Rod SASS 3935

[watab kid]

mine is a tad less expansive but i dont have any so i cant wear what id like to on occasions - we have a family wedding this weekend id really like to have it for , but yes as you pointed out o have yet to part with the money to attain it 

[Cyrus Cassidy #45437]

On 7/17/2026 at 8:31 PM, Alpo said:

I know people keep saying it's Celsius, but they keep saying that magazine is not a clip and a revolver is not a pistol and a silencer is really a suppressor. I don't agree with any of that so why should I agree with Celsius?

 

Not to mention, the word "pistol" is hundreds of years older than a semi-automatic and was used for single shots and revolvers historically. The NRA's official parlance from their approved courses use "pistol" to refer to all handguns.

[Dantankerous]

On 7/19/2026 at 6:22 PM, Alpo said:

Venereal disease (VD) was changed to sexually transmitted diseases (STD), which was then changed to sexually transmitted infections (STI). I believe this is the current term.

 

It's still VD.

I laugh at the other term for this VD/STD... social disease. Guess if someone hadn't been so social they would not have gotten it! 😀

[Sedalia Dave]

On 7/19/2026 at 6:22 PM, Alpo said:

Venereal disease (VD) was changed to sexually transmitted diseases (STD), which was then changed to sexually transmitted infections (STI). I believe this is the current term.

 

It's still VD.

 While not as common you can get those diseases through transmission channels that have nothing to do with sexual activity. 
 

 Ask any farmer, rancher or vet. 

Edited July 21 by Sedalia Dave

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

Part of the beauty of English, and the part that drives non native speakers mad, is how we have multiple terms that essentially mean the same thing.  We also have words that, if by strict definition the usage is "incorrect," it is usually perfectly understandable to almost everyone because colloquial usage has shifted with time.   I think that's okay, irregardless of what the grammar snobs may try to assert.

But I would like to find me one of them thar 50 caliber clips I heard tell about.