WOLFY Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) Bought from a pard on here. He used “ShipMyGun” to send to a local ffl (listed in green on their web site- as preferred) FFL tells me “I sent it back… I don’t accept anything from non-FFL.” I ask “so you are listed on SMG, but you won’t do person to person transfers?” his response: “I don’t know who ‘ShipMyGun’ is. Only if both parties are present.” UPDATE The package was sented from Indiana but now UPS shows it is returned to Paris, Kentucky (left on the dock last night and signed for by Jenkin) So, apparently the seller doesn’t have it either. Edited June 14 by WOLFY 6 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 20 minutes ago, WOLFY said: Bought from a pard on here. He used “ShipMyGun” to send to a local ffl (listed in green on their web site- as preferred) FFL tells me “I sent it back… I don’t accept anything from non-FFL.” I ask “so you are listed on SMG, but you won’t do person to person transfers?” his response: “I don’t know who ‘ShipMyGun’ is. Only if both parties are present.” How Frustrating!!! What a jerk! 1 1 Quote
Chantry Posted June 4 Posted June 4 1 hour ago, WOLFY said: Bought from a pard on here. He used “ShipMyGun” to send to a local ffl (listed in green on their web site- as preferred) FFL tells me “I sent it back… I don’t accept anything from non-FFL.” I ask “so you are listed on SMG, but you won’t do person to person transfers?” his response: “I don’t know who ‘ShipMyGun’ is. Only if both parties are present.” How Frustrating!!! Some FFL's are far more cautious than others not wanting to risk their license, possible fines or even possible jail time to a transfer. 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 6 minutes ago, Chantry said: Some FFL's are far more cautious than others not wanting to risk their license, possible fines or even possible jail time to a transfer. Yea I get that but in this instance you’d think he would at least call the customer first and maybe make an exception. It’s not against the law for an FFL to receive a gun from a private person. Many do it plus the OP said he was on a preferred list. 3 Quote
Chantry Posted June 4 Posted June 4 4 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Yea I get that but in this instance you’d think he would at least call the customer first and maybe make an exception. It’s not against the law for an FFL to receive a gun from a private person. Many do it plus the OP said he was on a preferred list. Their store, their ass if ATF doesn't like how the transfer was done and their rules. CT had two gunsmiths lose their FFL's over paper work issues, one of which I really because he did excellent work at very reasonable prices. It's easy to criticize a FFL when we don't have to worry about ATF yanking our license, fining us or arresting us. Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 16 minutes ago, Chantry said: Their store, their ass if ATF doesn't like how the transfer was done and their rules. CT had two gunsmiths lose their FFL's over paper work issues, one of which I really because he did excellent work at very reasonable prices. It's easy to criticize a FFL when we don't have to worry about ATF yanking our license, fining us or arresting us. All I’m saying is the FFL could have handled it differently. I worked part time at a gun shop/range and still go there and I know they accept shipments from private owners and they know what they’re doing. I’m not saying he should have done the transfer without at least checking out the shipper and why he was on the okay list. Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted June 4 Posted June 4 I've been under the impression that an FFL has to do paperwork to be on the list at SMG. Why sign up if you don't want to take the shipments or do FFLs use SMG as well? 1 Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) DSTSS! Get your money back and go shopping some other place. It ain't worth an ulcer. Edited June 4 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 1 Quote
Pat Riot Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) If he’s listed he had himself listed. The guy’s an AH. Edited June 4 by Pat Riot 3 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 4 Author Posted June 4 (edited) SMG will remove him from their preferred list. A week ago he was all, “no problem tony- i’ve done person to person transfers before.” People change but this was literally over a 5 day period. edited to add: to Chantry, last week he was all - “as long as he sends a copy of his drivers license and a note stating the gun is being sold transfered to Wolfy, we’ll get it done” Edited June 5 by WOLFY 1 2 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 5 Author Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: DSTSS! Get your money back and go shopping some other place. It ain't worth an ulcer. I’m just sorry that Bladesmith is gonna have his revolving carbine returned to him. If you’re reading this, bro: I’ll gladly pay you for your time and shipping costs. 1 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 5 Author Posted June 5 1 minute ago, El Chapo said: Never do business with that FFL again for any reason. I won’t… I’m hoping he didn suffer a mild stroke or something. This is how drastically different he acted. 2 Quote
Cholla Posted June 5 Posted June 5 Technically, Bud's Gun Shop, the parent company for SMG, is the seller's FFL agent. The receiving FFL doesn't know the fine print for SMG. 2 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted June 5 Posted June 5 39 minutes ago, Cholla said: Technically, Bud's Gun Shop, the parent company for SMG, is the seller's FFL agent. The receiving FFL doesn't know the fine print for SMG. Hmm... I wonder... Could the FFL be in SMGs list because he is in Bud's list? Sure, there are a lot of remaining questions but this kind of complexity could be at the root of the problem, and it just should not be complicated at all. Quote
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted June 5 Posted June 5 WOW! Even the Firearm Hating Canadian (mis)Government allows us to mail firearms person to person. Or at least they did prior to Katy P's boy friend's temper tantrum about handguns. Quote
El Chapo Posted June 5 Posted June 5 2 hours ago, WOLFY said: I won’t… I’m hoping he didn suffer a mild stroke or something. This is how drastically different he acted. Just FYI, I've had a great experience with ship my gun, twice. Once to ship a pair of revolvers to another SASS member, and another time to get one of my 9mm 1911s checkered at the gunsmith. Both of them were so easy, and especially with the checkering, I regretted not doing it years ago! 1 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 5 Author Posted June 5 14 hours ago, Cholla said: Technically, Bud's Gun Shop, the parent company for SMG, is the seller's FFL agent. The receiving FFL doesn't know the fine print for SMG. Cholla- I should have known this- i wonder if it would have made a difference when my ffl phoned me having a cow. Quote
WOLFY Posted June 6 Author Posted June 6 (edited) On 6/4/2026 at 8:30 PM, El Chapo said: Just FYI, I've had a great experience with ship my gun, twice. Once to ship a pair of revolvers to another SASS member, and another time to get one of my 9mm 1911s checkered at the gunsmith. Both of them were so easy, and especially with the checkering, I regretted not doing it years ago! I also had great experiences the few times I sent firearms using ShipMyGun Edited June 14 by WOLFY Quote
WOLFY Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 is smg Located in Kentucky? the seller sent it from Fort Wayne, IN Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) I call the sender, the sender's FFL, and my FFL before a nickel (used to be a penny) leaves my pocket. I have never had a problem on that score. I did have a gun get within ten miles of my FFL and ended up round-tripping about 200 miles to two other towns before it got back to me. Edited June 15 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: I call the sender, the sender's FFL, and my FFL before nickel (used to be a penny) leaves my pocket. I have never had a problem on har score. I did have a gun get within ten miles of my FFL and ended up round-tripping about 200 miles to two other towns before it got back to me. I spoke with my receiving ffl and he said he’d have no issue with a Ship My Gun box (long gun) being sent to him from a private seller. Then, when it arrived he changed his mind and refused the delivery. I don’t see where I did anything wrong. Edited June 14 by WOLFY 1 Quote
Three Foot Johnson Posted June 15 Posted June 15 SMG is a shipping facilitator - Bud's FFL license plays no part in the transfer, and SMG doesn't have one. They negotiate lower shipping rates, charge a nominal fee for that service, and email the seller a pre-paid shipping label, who then tapes it on their boxed up gun and ships it to the buyer's FFL holder. At no point does Bud's/SMG ever have legal or physical possession of the firearm. A dealer has to register with SMG, separately from Bud's, in order for a buyer to use the service. Quote
WOLFY Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 so in this instance - the buyers ffl refuses delivery so the package ends up at Ship My Gun’s address. Quote
Three Foot Johnson Posted June 16 Posted June 16 That makes no sense at all...? The return address on the Ship-My-Gun pre-printed label is the sender's name & address, there should be nothing on the label that would associate the package with SMG or Bud's. And why would there be, it doesn't come from/through them. Google says Bud's has outlets in both Paris and Lexington, but it looks like the SMG business is based at the Lexington site. It will be interesting to learn what happened. Quote
WOLFY Posted June 17 Author Posted June 17 (edited) Since the ffl was “preferred” on the Ship My Gun page, they will cover additional expenses. I guess, they got UPS to deliver the gun to them. Next, they will ship it to the seller and re-issue a shipping label for a different ffl here in el paso. I know the above through the kindness of the seller. I am in agreement with you, 3’ Johnson. You’d think they could just have UPS deliver to another preferred ffl in El Paso. Edited June 17 by WOLFY 2 Quote
WOLFY Posted June 18 Author Posted June 18 now two of their preferred ffls say they will not accept any firearms from orivate parties upon phoning SMG they informed me that they will not change their list to reflect these ffls policies 1 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted June 18 Posted June 18 22 minutes ago, WOLFY said: now two of their preferred ffls say they will not accept any firearms from orivate parties upon phoning SMG they informed me that they will not change their list to reflect these ffls policies I can understand SMG not updating FFL info based on some un-related person. But an FFL really should do so before a package shows up. Quote
WOLFY Posted June 18 Author Posted June 18 7 hours ago, John Kloehr said: I can understand SMG not updating FFL info based on some un-related person. But an FFL really should do so before a package shows up. or what exactly? Both shops (Simcha W and Mesa P) express no interest in fixing some list online. Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted June 18 Posted June 18 I guess I'll rethink SMG if that's how they handle preferred FFLs. Ship and MAYBE it will be accepted! 🤔 Quote
John Kloehr Posted June 19 Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, WOLFY said: or what exactly? Both shops (Simcha W and Mesa P) express no interest in fixing some list online. I'm assuming at some point in the past, these FFLs put themselves on SMGs list. 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Just now, John Kloehr said: I'm assuming at some point in the past, these FFLs put themselves on SMGs list. And I think Wolfy said way back that he contacted his guy and told ok. I feel when it was returned to SMG, they should have taken away his "preferred" ranking. 1 Quote
Three Foot Johnson Posted June 19 Posted June 19 IIRC, requesting to be a "preferred" dealer just means SMG won't contact the dealer prior to charging the seller and sending them the shipping label. The receiving FFL essentially "pre-agrees" to receive the gun direct from the seller. 1 Quote
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