Alpo Posted May 4 Posted May 4 I don't generally pay attention to the various groups that people claim they belong to here. But warthogs - that's a large bore black powder, right? 1 Quote
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 I believe it refrred to anyone shooting stouter loads, smokeless or BP. 1 Quote
Alpo Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 Hmmm. Okay, is there a group that shoots big bore black powder? Quote
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Yes. At some matches they had special big bore BP categories with minimum bullet weight and powder weights. The names escape me right now. Not official SASS categories. Quote
Alpo Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 When I saw this, with the muzzle flash - if that ain't black it damn sure needs to be - I immediately thought WARTHOG. Big bore with a lot of fire and smoke. 2 1 Quote
Count Sandor, SASS #74075 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 6 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: Yes. At some matches they had special big bore BP categories with minimum bullet weight and powder weights. The names escape me right now. Not official SASS categories. Pale Rider (must be duelist or double duelist) and Pale Rider Gunfighter Generally, 40 Cal and above, 200 grain and above bullet, 30 grains and above of black powder or approved sub. Shotgun 12 or 10 Ga., requires 60 grains and above of BP or sub, 1 1/8 oz. of shot. 3 Quote
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) The competition is called Champeen of the Hillbilly Nation: 250 gr bullet over a full load of black powder in a .44 WCF or .45 Colt cartridge! Sultan of Smoke and King of Kaboom are similar categories… Edited May 4 by Blackwater 53393 2 2 Quote
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 I knew there were several different names with slightly different requirements. Couldn't remember the names. 1 Quote
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 4 Posted May 4 13 hours ago, Alpo said: When I saw this, with the muzzle flash - if that ain't black it damn sure needs to be - I immediately thought WARTHOG. Big bore with a lot of fire and smoke. (Can't find the longer version) And, of course, 2 Quote
Stump Water Posted May 4 Posted May 4 3 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: The competition is called Champeen of the Hillbilly Nation Sultan of Smoke and King of Kaboom are similar categories… I know there's a web page, but I can't find it right now. So this'll hafta do... 2 Quote
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 As I recall years ago the term first referred to HOLY BLACK shooters, caliber 44 and above. 4 1 Quote
Alpo Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 Thank you Bob. That was my memory also, but I've noticed that it's getting worse and worse every day. Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 On 5/3/2026 at 8:16 PM, Alpo said: When I saw this, with the muzzle flash - if that ain't black it damn sure needs to be - I immediately thought WARTHOG. Big bore with a lot of fire and smoke. That's just INTIMIDATING! 1 Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted May 6 Posted May 6 I have been a Warthog Shooter from day one . Full load BP with 44's in 200gr or larger bullets . No doubt if you hit the target or not . Fill the stage with smoke and coughs 🤣😂🤣 Quote
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 7 Posted May 7 The following are the rules and specifications for the three categories that are used in the Champeen Of The Hillbilly Nation competition. These are the most up to date rules I’ve found! Champeenship of the Hillbilly Nation (CHN) Competitors can sign up for the main match in FCD, Duelist, Classic, or other as long as they adhere to FCD equipment and guidelines. All pistols are shot in the SASS Duelist category manner. Double duelist is allowed. Pistols : 250 or heavier gr. boolits and full 45 LC cases of 777 or Real Black (touching the base of the boolit- no cookies, cards, fiber wads, cereal, caulking rod, or any other fillers). Rifle : Rifle caliber must be 38 WCF, 44 WCF, 44 Mag or 45 LC and loaded with 777 or real Black to touch the boolit base (180 gr minimum). No loads broken down. Shotgun : Double barrel or '87 shotgun firing a 60 grain powder charge and 1 1/8 oz. shot (both minimums). Any type of BP powder or subs for Shotgun. Sultan of Smoke (SoS) Shooters from the SASS BP Match definition of the categories of FCD, Frontiersman, Duelist, Sr. Duelist, Classic Cowboy and Others are eligible. ie One Handed only. All pistols are shot in the SASS Duelist category manner. Double duelist is allowed, see below for gunfighters. Pistols and Rifle: 40 cal and up - 200 grain and up - 25 grains of powder and up 38-40 - 180 grain - 30 grains of powder and up Cap and Bal. 44 cal and up - round ball - 30 grains of powder and up Powder: Real Black Pyrodex 777 APP or Pinnacle and other Black Powder Substitutes ARE allowed Shotgun: 60 grains of any powder (including APP and Pinnacle) 1 1/8 oz shot same as CHN Double barrel and 87 97 is not allowed King of Kaboom (KoK) Same rules as SoS, however, two handed or gunfighter shooting is allowed. 1 Quote
Sedalia Dave Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) 9 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: The following are the rules and specifications for the three categories that are used in the Champeen Of The Hillbilly Nation competition. These are the most up to date rules I’ve found! Champeenship of the Hillbilly Nation (CHN) Competitors can sign up for the main match in FCD, Duelist, Classic, or other as long as they adhere to FCD equipment and guidelines. All pistols are shot in the SASS Duelist category manner. Double duelist is allowed. Pistols : 250 or heavier gr. boolits and full 45 LC cases of 777 or Real Black (touching the base of the boolit- no cookies, cards, fiber wads, cereal, caulking rod, or any other fillers). Rifle : Rifle caliber must be 38 WCF, 44 WCF, 44 Mag or 45 LC and loaded with 777 or real Black to touch the boolit base (180 gr minimum). No loads broken down. Shotgun : Double barrel or '87 shotgun firing a 60 grain powder charge and 1 1/8 oz. shot (both minimums). Any type of BP powder or subs for Shotgun. Sultan of Smoke (SoS) Shooters from the SASS BP Match definition of the categories of FCD, Frontiersman, Duelist, Sr. Duelist, Classic Cowboy and Others are eligible. ie One Handed only. All pistols are shot in the SASS Duelist category manner. Double duelist is allowed, see below for gunfighters. Pistols and Rifle: 40 cal and up - 200 grain and up - 25 grains of powder and up 38-40 - 180 grain - 30 grains of powder and up Cap and Bal. 44 cal and up - round ball - 30 grains of powder and up Powder: Real Black Pyrodex 777 APP or Pinnacle and other Black Powder Substitutes ARE allowed Shotgun: 60 grains of any powder (including APP and Pinnacle) 1 1/8 oz shot same as CHN Double barrel and 87 97 is not allowed King of Kaboom (KoK) Same rules as SoS, however, two handed or gunfighter shooting is allowed. Decisions Decisions. Do I shoot Frontiersman or FCD? 🤠 Also going to have to find a wad that will allow me to load 60 grains of powder and 1 1/8 oz of shot. My current wads only allow 1 oz of shot Edited May 7 by Sedalia Dave Quote
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