Ketchup

[Subdeacon Joe]

Will someone please explain in simple terms WHY the hate people have for it?

 

People who will rub 10 pounds of brown sugar into something, and then slather a sugar/vinegar glaze on it while smoking it complain about ketchup,  usually saying it's too sweet. 

[Stump Water]

Don't have a problem with it.  In fact I use it as a base for a glaze or sauce fairly regularly.  But, as you said, while cooking or smoking.  Other than on fries occasionally, I do not like it as a condiment.  But, I don't put BBQ sauce, "steak" sauce or whatever glaze on meat after cooking it either - unless it's sawdust dry and I have to in order to get it in my face.  

 

That said, a good steak (beef) or burger I don't want anything on it other than SPG.  If you have a thick slab of a good tomato I'll take that on the burger.  Chicken or pork... whatever floats your boat, although just SPG works fine on those too.  

[Horace Patootie, SASS #35798]

I like it but don't put it on a hot dog in front of Harry Callahan.

[Rye Miles #13621]

No problem here, I like it on burgers and HOT DOGS! Mustard gives me heartburn! 

[Blackwater 53393]

A good ketchup is welcome on fries or onion rings! I spice my ketchup up with a dab of ground horseradish and a little cayenne. That REALLY sets off the onion rings! Store bought ketchup is boring and lacks ANY sort of character.

 

I never want it on meats! I just don’t like it! I can make it into a BBQ sauce with added ingredients for cooking certain cuts of meat. That’s all it’s really good for, a useful ingredient for a real condiment or sauce! Schoolmarm uses a small amount of ketchup to make Russian dressing and Remaulade.

 

If my steak needs a sauce or anything other than salt and pepper, I’ll send it back! If they don’t like that, I’ll go somewhere else!!

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Stump Water said:

SPG

?????

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

Why should you (or anyone else) care about what  people choose to eat or refuse to eat?

 

For instance, I don't care for lobster, but you can eat it if you choose to spend the extra money for something  almost tasteless.  Now crab legs, salmon or  scallops are more to my  liking.

 

You go to your church, I'll go to  mine.

[Stump Water]

43 minutes ago, Alpo said:

?????

 

Salt, Pepper, Garlic.

 

Sometimes referred to as the Holy Trinity (of spices).   Not to be confused with the Cajun/Creole Holy Trinity.

[Alpo]

I really wondered why you was putting bullet lube on your steak.

 

https://www.blackpowderspg.com/spglube.html

[Windy City Kid]

Ketchup on a hotdog?! Well, I put beans in my chili, so there.

[Alpo]

I not only put beans in my chili I put mushrooms in it.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

Chili ai't got no Beans.  Only Ketchup I care for is RAO.

[Rye Miles #13621]

1 hour ago, Windy City Kid said:

Ketchup on a hotdog?! Well, I put beans in my chili, so there.

Me too! 

[Blackwater 53393]

1 hour ago, Windy City Kid said:

Ketchup on a hotdog?! Well, I put beans in my chili, so there.

Once you put beans in your chili, you’ve made stew! 🤨

[Tooky Slim]

I use ketchup on my burgers and dogs, (sometimes,depending on my mood),but I always put it on my eggs, scrambled,fried,or omelet

 

[Blackwater 53393]

Ketchup is probably my least favorite tomato based condiment. Salsa, barbecue sauce, and marinara are much more versatile and satisfying.

[Rye Miles #13621]

Ketchup is one of my favorite condiments but my all time favorite is CATSUP!😋

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

Once you put beans in your chili, you’ve made stew! 🤨

 

Chili IS stew! 

[Blackwater 53393]

1 minute ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Chili IS stew! 

But not BEAN stew!!

[Alpo]

4 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Chili IS stew! 

Unless you have too much water in it and which case it is soup.

[Blackwater 53393]

Just now, Alpo said:

Unless you have too much water in it and which case it is soup.

That would be Cincinatti chili!🤢🤮

[Alpo]

Out in Texas, where as I understand they have decided that they know all there is to know about chili and nobody else knows anything, they have chili contests.

 

And people enter vegetarian chili and beef chili and pork chili and rabbit chili and chicken chili and turkey chili and rattlesnake chili.

 

And all of these are chili.

 

But you put beans in it it's no longer chili.

 

This appears to be another example of Texans don't know what they're talking about.

[Subdeacon Joe]

11 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Ketchup is one of my favorite condiments but my all time favorite is CATSUP!😋

 

That's how I usually spell it, but I figured I'd go with the modern spelling. "Ketchup" didn't become the dominant spelling until the 1980s.

 

Anyway...I get that people have different tastes, but any hint of catsup near any meat seems to really trigger some people and compel them to make negative comments about it. Which I don't understand. 

 

I used to use it on Round Steak, but not any other steak or roast. I almost always use it on burgers, along with mustard.  It often goes on eggs. Never cared for it on pork. 

Someone above mentioned using it on onion rings...which i think it odd, but understandable. I prefer either mustard or ranch dressing on onion rings. 

For fried fish i mix catsup,  horseradish,  land some lemon juice. Can't stand tater sauce, but don't feel compelled to call it out every chance I get. 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

Heinz has always been ketchup.   Hunts was last holdout for catsup, but they eventually gave up.   Beyond them, different brands used one or the other.  Not sure exactly when catsup finally died out.

As far as using it goes, I put ketchup on my hamburgers.   And that's the only thing I put on.  It's also the only thing I put on them.

That being said, if someone wants to put ketchup on, well, anything, it's no skin off my back.   Eat and enjoy.   And to all those who insist that you can't put ketchup on a hotdog, (aside, I don't put anything on my hotdogs) I have just one thing to say.

PBBTT!!!

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

14 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Out in Texas, where as I understand they have decided that they know all there is to know about chili and nobody else knows anything, they have chili contests.

 

And people enter vegetarian chili and beef chili and pork chili and rabbit chili and chicken chili and turkey chili and rattlesnake chili.

 

And all of these are chili.

 

But you put beans in it it's no longer chili.

 

This appears to be another example of Texans don't know what they're talking about.

 

If you want to get picky about it,  chili uses only peppers, fat, dried beef, and water. Period. No onions.  No tomatoes.  That's your original cowboy chili.

[Subdeacon Joe]

21 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Unless you have too much water in it and which case it is soup.

 

Just bring it to a high simmer to reduce it and concentrate the flavor. 

[Blackwater 53393]

Since we’ve jumped the track on this thread, I’ll add this historical note about the origins of chili!

 

“The Chili Queens of San Antonio were Mexican women who, from the late 19th century to the 1940s, operated popular open-air food stalls serving chili con carne, tamales, and tortillas in city plazas like Military Plaza and Haymarket. They were a significant cultural and tourist attraction, setting up tables with mesquite fires to serve locals and travelers alike. 

*San Antonio Magazine +4

Key Aspects of the Chili Queens:

Significance: They are considered pioneers of Tex-Mex cuisine and street food culture, providing a unique blend of Mexican food and social interaction for over 60 years.

Operation: They prepared chili at home, transported it to the plazas, and served it with tortillas for about a dime, often accompanied by musicians.

 

Demise: The tradition faded by the 1940s due to increased health regulations, city efforts to sanitise or control the, and pressure to modernize, culminating in the closure of their stands.

 

Legacy: They left a lasting impact on San Antonio’s culinary history, now celebrated through events like the Chili Queens Chili Cook-off at the Bonham Exchange.”

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:43 PM by Blackwater 53393

[Stump Water]

46 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Anyway...I get that people have different tastes, but any hint of catsup near any meat seems to really trigger some people and compel them to make negative comments about it. Which I don't understand. 

 

Because people put cat soup on every-damn thing.  How's about you bleeping try something before you completely cover the taste with cat soup.  Same goes for ranch dressing... or tartar sauce... or A-1... or Heinz 57... or SALT. 

 

If you're that damn skeerd to eat something without covering any flavor in the dish with condiments, then just order some greasy fries and pour on the cat soup... and salt.

[Blackwater 53393]

Ketchup makes a decent starter for a good shrimp cocktail sauce! Add minced onion and horseradish, finely chopped dill pickle, and a little cayenne and you’re on your way! I add garlic powder or paste too.

 

It’s good that way on hushpuppies and with what it’s named for…

 

Edit: I don’t use much plain ketchup. As I said earlier, I add horseradish, cayenne, and a little garlic to my ketchup for most every application, few that there are.

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:17 PM by Blackwater 53393

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

26 minutes ago, Stump Water said:

Because people put cat soup on every-damn thing. 

The following is a true story.

When the Fleischer family, (Max and Dave started a cartoon studio that created such wonderful characters a Koko the Clown, Betty Boop and made the Popeye cartoons) Mama Fleischer threw all of her children's books from the old country away because she was determined that her family would properly learn to speak and read English.

Once they were settled, they were given some canned goods, but she threw away the bottle of catsup, feeling that there was no need to have any cat soup.

[Alpo]

39 minutes ago, Stump Water said:

How's about you bleeping try something before you completely cover the taste with cat soup.  Same goes for ranch dressing... or tartar sauce... or A-1... or Heinz 57... or SALT. 

I have a friend, and we used to go to breakfast a lot. Before tasting his food he would completely cover it with pepper. Not salt - pepper. Could not see the eggs. Solid black mass. He wouldn't sprinkle it on, he would unscrew the cap and shake it on.

 

He did that with most of his food, not just breakfast.

[Rye Miles #13621]

Interesting history of the name CATSUP,

 

The word likely comes from a Chinese term such as “kê-tsiap” (or ke-tsiap), which referred to a fermented fish sauce—salty, savory, and completely tomato-free.

 

• This sauce was popular in coastal China and Southeast Asia.
• European traders (especially British and Dutch) encountered it in the 1600s and brought the idea—and name—back home.

 

When Henry John Heinz launched his tomato sauce in 1876, both “catsup” and “ketchup” were already in use across the U.S. But his decision to go with “ketchup” was very intentional—and it helped shape what we call it today. 
 

 

📌 Why “ketchup”?

 

 

• More distinctive branding
  “Catsup” was widely used by competitors. Heinz wanted a name that stood out on shelves.
• Perceived quality
  At the time, many cheap “catsup” products were inconsistent or low quality. Heinz was marketing purity and cleanliness, so “ketchup” helped separate his product from that image.
• Consistency & standardization
  Heinz stuck with one spelling across all labels and advertising, which built strong brand recognition.

 

 

[Blackwater 53393]

40 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I have a friend, and we used to go to breakfast a lot. Before tasting his food he would completely cover it with pepper. Not salt - pepper. Could not see the eggs. Solid black mass. He wouldn't sprinkle it on, he would unscrew the cap and shake it on.

 

He did that with most of his food, not just breakfast.

I started substituting pepper for salt on most of my food when I was a teenager! Several of my relatives suffered from hypertension and the resulting maladies that it caused. They all used more salt than I would and each was told by their doctors to avoid salt.

 

I still don’t add salt to much of anything except fries. I use black pepper or cayenne.

 

I have complained for years about the way that pepper is made available at restaurants. Invariably, the shaker will be packed to the lid on the pepper which keeps it from shaking any out! They usually look at me funny when I carefully unscrew the lid and allow the excess to sprinkle over my food. I’ve explained the physics of pepper shakers to more than one server and a couple of managers as well when they commented negatively. I’ve even demonstrated this for a few.

 

Pepper has proven to be far more healthy than salt for me and I add it to many things without first tasting them, knowing that little or none was used in the preparation of the dish and knowing that I want pepper on that particular dish. I automatically sprinkle it liberally, (I used a bad word) on French fries and baked potatoes.

 

Foods that I am not familiar with get a taste test to determine what, if any, seasoning or condiment might be wanted.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:15 AM by Blackwater 53393

[Pat Riot]

Sh**! Is it time for the annual ketchup/ catsup thread again? I think it’s a month too early. I am not ready. 
 

Heinz ketchup rules!

Ketchup goes on hot dogs. With onions. 
Chili is chili no matter how you make it. 
 

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot said:

Heinz ketchup rules!

I stopped using Heinz ketchup back when John Kerry was running for president. Because his wife owned Heinz ketchup, and I wasn't going to give the enemy any money.

 

Then I find out that, while she is a member of the Heinz family, it's about like Princess Margaret's great-granddaughter (does Princess Margaret have a great-granddaughter??). She is a member of the Royal family, but she is way way way way down on the list. Doesn't have a whole lot to do with the way England is run.

 

And that was the way it was with Mrs Kerry. She was a member of the family but she didn't have anything to do making pickles. And she owned some stock - some, not a lot - and she had sold it all before Kerry decided to run.

 

So I had no actual reason to quit eating Heinz, but by the time I found out that I had already started eating Hunts and I decided I like Hunts better. And Hunts is a whole lot cheaper than Heinz.