Lawdog Dago Dom Posted March 6 Posted March 6 FN Awarded $9.9 Million Contract From U.S. Army and Navy for Machine Guns - The Shooting Wire | The Shooting Wire Quote
Chantry Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Why are we paying for two different machine gun designs in two different calibers? I believe SIG also a contract for machine guns in the new .277 Fury caliber Quote
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 5 hours ago, Chantry said: Why are we paying for two different machine gun designs in two different calibers? I believe SIG also a contract for machine guns in the new .277 Fury caliber Well here is the story behind that and well FN has had the contract for years so. A bid was required to reduce weight of the pig (m60)21.3 lbs the M249 5.56 17 lbs was chosen it came in lighter ect however 5.56 didnt work like 7.62 of the pig , so another bid produced the M240 7.62 27.6 lbs version it is now heavier then the Pig 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 19 hours ago, Chantry said: Why are we paying for two different machine gun designs in two different calibers? I believe SIG also a contract for machine guns in the new .277 Fury caliber The more choices the better for our military! Quote
Chantry Posted March 7 Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: The more choices the better for our military! 2 guns, 2 calibers and two very different designs = complicates the logistical support and training and costs more money. I smell congressional pork spending 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 46 minutes ago, Chantry said: 2 guns, 2 calibers and two very different designs = complicates the logistical support and training and costs more money. I smell congressional pork spending So they get trained on two different weapons? I don’t see a big deal here. Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: The more choices the better for our military! But a PITA to supply ammo if they have more than one caliber. As an Ordnance officer in 'Nam that was one our greatest challenges...and we only had five or six calibers to deal with: .45, 7.62, 7.65, 9mm, .50, 12 gauge, The bigger stuff was easier because so few of our guys were using it. 2 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: But a PITA to supply ammo if they have more than one caliber. As an Ordnance officer in 'Nam that was one our greatest challenges...and we only had five or six calibers to deal with: .45, 7.62, 7.65, 9mm, .50, 12 gauge, The bigger stuff was easier because so few of our guys were using it. I believe they only added the 6.8 mm 🇺🇸 Current U.S. Military Calibers Standard Infantry / Small-Arms Calibers These are the ones most soldiers actually carry. 5.56×45mm NATO – Standard rifle and carbine round (M4/M16/M27). 6.8×51mm (.277 Fury) – New Army round for the M7 rifle and M250 light machine gun. 7.62×51mm NATO – Medium machine guns (M240), designated marksman rifles, some sniper systems. These three are the core combat rifle calibers right now. Edited March 7 by Rye Miles #13621 Quote
Black Angus McPherson Posted March 8 Posted March 8 10 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: But a PITA to supply ammo if they have more than one caliber. As an Ordnance officer in 'Nam that was one our greatest challenges...and we only had five or six calibers to deal with: .45, 7.62, 7.65, 9mm, .50, 12 gauge, The bigger stuff was easier because so few of our guys were using it. You've got me wondering, Forty. What was the 7.65? Angus Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) Well Rye, the problem isn't training. The problem is logistics. Having the spare parts available for the correct fire arm and the correct Ammunition on had ("hand" Otto, "hand") for the firearm in use. In accordance with Murphy's Law, if it can be screwed up, it will be. Edited March 8 by Colorado Coffinmaker I JUST HATE OTTO 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 20 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Well Rye, the problem isn't training. The problem is logistics. Having the spare parts available for the correct fire arm and the correct Ammunition on had for the firearm in use. In accordance with Murphy's Law, if it can be screwed up, it will be. Well I guess that sounds possible but I’ve not heard about any problems so far! Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Well Gee Rye, just how much time do you have serving in the Military and trying to get the correct parts and ammunition to the right place at the right time?? Or do you get notified when there are "problems??" Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Well Gee Rye, just how much time do you have serving in the Military and trying to get the correct parts and ammunition to the right place at the right time?? Or do you get notified when there are "problems??" How much time? Zero. I’m only going by what I hear from others that I know that are currently enlisted. A family member and a friends son. Edited March 8 by Rye Miles #13621 Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 15 hours ago, Black Angus McPherson said: You've got me wondering, Forty. What was the 7.65? Angus OOPS! Meant 7.63 for AK47s and SKS carbines, etc. We supported a lot of ARVN and friendly guerrilla groups who used captured arms. Almost all of it was issued to Special Forces (some of whom also liked them) for distribution.....and some of our guys found that they liked those pieces better than our issue arms, too. I didn't catch that and apparently no one else did, either. You get a smiley face. 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted March 8 Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: OOPS! Meant 7.63 for AK47s and SKS carbines, etc. We supported a lot of ARVN and friendly guerrilla groups who used captured arms. Almost all of it was issued to Special Forces (some of whom also liked them) for distribution.....and some of our guys found that they liked those pieces better than our issue arms, too. I didn't catch that and apparently no one else did, either. You get a smiley face. Is that 3 a 2? 1 Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Is that 3 a 2? It's a 2! Don't blame me. I'm old y'know, and my keyboard is dyslexic. 2 3 Quote
John Kloehr Posted March 8 Posted March 8 55 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: It's a 2! Don't blame me. I'm old y'know, and my keyboard is dyslexic. No problem. Just so you know, I asked "carefully" just in case I had complete ignorance of another caliber. I know I have not learned about all of them. And my keyboard is a little different from your's. I think mine is lysdexic. Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Wait until you get to be my age. Dyslexia is a high point, mental focus is a far gone memory...if you have any memory left at all...reflexes don't flex any more, and damn near everyone you know is a stranger. Nostalgia becomes a very close friend and you set your alarm clock to wake you up in time for a nap. I am lucky to never have being lost, but I was really confused for a few months. And it get worse as you get older.....I think. Quote
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: It's a 2! Don't blame me. I'm old y'know, and my keyboard is dyslexic. Damn Gunny , Set them straight a little wall to wall counseling for correcting you PS hate to tell you this but M2's now have a safety In Iraq I had one M2 with a 6 digit serial Number they wanted me to turn in and loved that deuce Headspace was always 3 clicks never fail Never turned it in for one with a safety By the way FN also makes them https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m2hb-qcb/ Edited March 8 by PowderRiverCowboy Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) There was a place that let you fire auto weapons for a price. I wanted so bad to shoot a Ma Deuce again but I kept hearing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! I walked away, sad, but financially solid. Edited March 9 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 Quote
El Chapo Posted March 9 Posted March 9 59 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: There was a lace that let you fire auto weapons for a price. I wanted so bad to shoot a Ma Deuce again but I kept hearing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! I walked away, sad, but financially solid. I'd like to thank the taxpayers for footing the bill the last time I ripped off a burst from Ma Deuce and rained brass down on top of and through the hatch of my platoon sergeant's M113 1 Quote
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 9 Posted March 9 16 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: There was a place that let you fire auto weapons for a price. I wanted so bad to shoot a Ma Deuce again but I kept hearing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! I walked away, sad, but financially solid. Show up at Big Sandy they have one soon https://bigsandyshoot.com/ Quote
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