45acp rounds from an estate sale

[Haole]

One of our club members got these rounds from an estate sale.  Speer 45acp rounds.  Check out the photos, the primers have the curved (convex) surface typical of rounds from the early 1900s.  Speer got going during WWII, so I'm curious about these rounds.  Any clues on what these are?  Are these new factory rounds?  Are they collectible?

 

I'm in Hawaii and shooters moving from Hawaii back to the mainland will sell us their powder, primers and loaded rounds real cheap.  New ammo is OK to shoot especially 22s, but reloads are a different story.  During the primer shortage days, I'd pull the heads and reload the primed cases and often use the heads.  The powder would be tossed.  Today with primers expensive but available, it just isn't worth the effort.  I may have to toss these rounds.

[Rip Snorter]

If this is all there are, pull the bullets, toss the powder, replace with a known charge. Not worth damaging a gun or worse.

[watab kid]

yes , id not shoot someone eases reloads unless we had done it together ]ive done that a couple times ] if your not willing to pull them down for components maybe someone you know would be if yor going to throw them away 

[Haole]

Rip Snorter & Watab Kid,  We're a small shooting group and I'm one of two serious reloaders and that's why I was gifted these rounds.  I too won't shoot someone else's reloads.  But pulling heads is a bit of work and these cases really aren't worth the effort and the FMJ heads are not something I'd use.  If these rounds are collectible, I'd take them to the mainland.  I going to hit a couple matches in a couple months.  Haole

[Rip Snorter]

12 minutes ago, Haole said:

Rip Snorter & Watab Kid,  We're a small shooting group and I'm one of two serious reloaders and that's why I was gifted these rounds.  I too won't shoot someone else's reloads.  But pulling heads is a bit of work and these cases really aren't worth the effort and the FMJ heads are not something I'd use.  If these rounds are collectible, I'd take them to the mainland.  I going to hit a couple matches in a couple months.  Haole

IMHO, nothing with a Speer headstamp is a collectable worth the hassel of transporting.  Just good older rounds if not reloads.

[Sedalia Dave]

Looking at some old forums, factory ammo with domed primers was being made in the 50's and in a few cases into the 60's. 

 

That said I wouldn't take the chance. 

[Griff]

Those HPs are the Speer #4477 "Flying Ashtray".  They're no longer made, replaced by the 200 grain Gold Dot.  I picked up a thousand of them at an estate sale a few years ago... not loaded rounds, just the bullets.  

[Lead Monger]

Ya. Those sure look like the Speer 200g Flying Manhole Cover from the 80s. I still have a few factory rounds around here with a CCI head stamp rather than Speer. They also have signs of red sealant on the primer.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

Just a side note: Those hollow points are the size of a washtub.  My 1911 wouldn't feed those until I had a smith reshape the ramp just a tiny bit.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

3 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

Just a side note: Those hollow points are the size of a washtub.  My 1911 wouldn't feed those until I had a smith reshape the ramp just a tiny bit.

Sounds like they'd do well in a Moon Clip for a revolver.

[Stump Water]

12 hours ago, Griff said:

Those HPs are the Speer #4477 "Flying Ashtray". 

 

I still have a box of those.  They work great.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

If I ever again get a 1917 S&W revolver that will be good to know.  I sold one, a beautifully cared for pistol, in 1964 to help pay my college tuition.  I've not seen one since that that has measured up for the cost.

 

I have never been much of an S&W guy, but that, a 4" model 19, an American / first model Russian, and a .22 pistol that had the barrel under the operating spring (don't recall the model) were favorites.

 

The 1917 had half moon and full moon clips and I had a box or auto-rim cartridges.  I loved that gun and the Model 19.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

40 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I have never been much of an S&W guy,

Neither have I, but I have a 625, Model of 1989 that I really like. I've got a dozen Moon Clips for it, (Full Moon from Wilson). I have several loaded with Federal 230gr. Hydro Shoks. Four clips, two to a side, stay in a N Frame Speed Loader pouch.

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

9 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

Neither have I, but I have a 625, Model of 1989 that I really like. I've got a dozen Moon Clips for it, (Full Moon from Wilson). I have several loaded with Federal 230gr. Hydro Shoks. Four clips, two to a side, stay in a N Frame Speed Loader pouch.

I have one of those from many moons ago when I shot IPSC and wanted the perfect revolver. Sadly mine is real picky about the clips. The tiniest little bend and the cylinder would bind. I learned to place them on a perfectly flat surface and inspect them. I think they bend very easily prying the spent cases out with that little tool. That was about the time IPSC was dying out in these parts, I never shot a whole lot of matches with it. One of those things that the theory worked better than the real world.

JHC 😥

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

21 minutes ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said:

I have one of those from many moons ago when I shot IPSC and wanted the perfect revolver. I think they bend very easily prying the spent cases out with that little tool.

JHC 😥

I use one of these. Quick, easy, no bending of the clips. Dump the empties right out.