Self Defense while traveling

[Sheriff Dill]

What do you guys have for yourselves or loved ones for self defense while you/they travel when you’re going into states that you cannot carry a firearm ? 
 

Looked at the Bryna guns and Billy clubs. It will be for my wife and or kids while they travel 

 

Thanks

SD

Edited February 18 by Sheriff Dill

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Bear spray 

I am lucky enough to be able to carry in every state due to job history.

[Sheriff Dill]

7 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Bear spray 

I am lucky enough to be able to carry in every state due to job history.

I was looking at the pepper sprays in gel form so they have less chance of getting it on them. 

[Rip Snorter]

When Mom was living alone after Dad passed, she would not take a gun, though she could handle them.  Bought her a Kimber Pepper Blaster.  She never needed to use it.

[Sheriff Dill]

1 hour ago, Rip Snorter said:

When Mom was living alone after Dad passed, she would not take a gun, though she could handle them.  Bought her a Kimber Pepper Blaster.  She never needed to use it.

From what I’ve read up on them just now it appears to be a two shot system then buy new ? 

[Rip Snorter]

Been many years - 2 shots.  At one point they sold a practice kit.  Can't recall the details, link.

https://www.kimberamerica.com/pepper-blaster

[DeaconKC]

Don't use a gel pepper spray, cons practice scraping it off and throwing it back in your face. Use a stream type. 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

1 hour ago, Sheriff Dill said:

I was looking at the pepper sprays in gel form so they have less chance of getting it on them. 

Bear spray has a 30'-40' range.

Peppy spray is maybe half of that.

Bear spray works on dogs, yotes, and wolfs much better than pepper spray does.

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

I have CCW permits from 4 states.   They cover most of the country.  I avoid the places where none of them are valid.   If I must travel though such a place, I make sure everything is stowed according to FOPA, and do not stop except for gas, or the bathroom.

[Henry T Harrison]

I carry both a medium size knife and a cane. As a medical device the cane can be taken anywhere without exception.as a fifth degree black belt I can use both

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

At my age and physical condition I can't see myself ever leaving the state again.  Problem solved.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

I have CCW permits from 4 states.   They cover most of the country.  I avoid the places where none of them are valid.   If I must travel though such a place, I make sure everything is stowed according to FOPA, and do not stop except for gas, or the bathroom.

When I was making my Arizona to Ohio road trips, the only place I traveled through that it wasn't was Illinois. Since that only consisted of about a 120 mile of I-70, I filled my gas tank in St. Louis Mo. so that I wouldn't HAVE to stop, secured my guns as required by law, and drove straight through to Indiana. As for everywhere on the trip, every state I drove through was an "Open Carry" state, and I did. I received many compliments, too.

Out of 50 states, my Arizona is honored by 39. Since I don't have any reason to visit any of the states that don't honor it, I don't foresee a problem. The only place I could ever see myself going in those states, would be to visit the Los Angles Fire Dept. Museum to see the vehicles used in the T.V. show "Emergency", and to visit the Ronald Reagan Library to see Kurt Russel's guns from "Tombstone". And I SERIOUSLY doubt that I'll do that.

Edited February 18 by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770
Addendum

[Dantankerous]

Wasp spray. Blast someone in the face of the stream of that. Legal everywhere. 

 

Someone makes a leather pouch that takes a roll of quarters. Doesn't quite look like a sap, but it sure it works like one. Just a change pouch, officer. 

 

Just a couple ideas.

 

 

[Rip Snorter]

6 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

Wasp spray. Blast someone in the face of the stream of that. Legal everywhere. 

 

Someone makes a leather pouch that takes a roll of quarters. Doesn't quite look like a sap, but it sure it works like one. Just a change pouch, officer. 

 

Just a couple ideas.

 

 

Look up details of State Slung Shot laws on the latter just to be safe.

[Dantankerous]

2 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Look up details of State Slung Shot laws on the latter just to be safe.

 I'd prefer a .357 to either of my previous suggestions. 😀 

 

Agree, it's on everyone to check the local laws where they will be traveling. In many areas having a baseball bat in your vehicle is suspect unless it is accompanied by gloves and balls and maybe a uniform... 

 

I simplify things and just don't travel to places that aren't free. 

[Rip Snorter]

Just now, Dantankerous said:

 I'd prefer a .357 to either of my previous suggestions. 😀 

 

Agree, it's on everyone to check the local laws where they will be traveling. In many areas having a baseball bat in your vehicle is suspect unless it is accompanied by gloves and balls and maybe a uniform... 

 

I simplify things and just don't travel to places that aren't free. 

I won't go anywhere my carry permit isn't good - old but I still shoot pretty good!

[Rye Miles #13621]

I have no plans to leave the state except for maybe PA and they recognize Ohio’s CCW, so I’m good.

[Texas Joker]

If your leather wallet chain Also has all your keys for home and work on one end it's a convenient way to store them.

 

as a softball aficionado travelling with your bat ball and glove allows you to participate in pickup games.

 

If you like golf always keep a couple clubs around.

 

I find the stupid tire wrench included in new cars is sub par so I usually buy an  old school lug wrench that fits my lugs.

 

Renting bikes at your destination is a fun way to see the sites. Since you don't want a rented bike to get stolen having a chain and lock is convenient.

 

[Chantry]

19 hours ago, Sheriff Dill said:

What do you guys have for yourselves or loved ones for self defense while you/they travel when you’re going into states that you cannot carry a firearm ? 
 

Looked at the Bryna guns and Billy clubs. It will be for my wife and or kids while they travel 

 

Thanks

SD

 

Can not carry and can not have are two different things.

 

Bear Spray:  https://legalclarity.org/is-it-illegal-to-use-bear-spray-on-humans/

 

Wasp Spray: https://legalclarity.org/why-you-shouldnt-use-wasp-spray-for-self-defense/

 

Check the state laws where they are going and what the state's laws on self defense are.

 

And always remember the legal advice you get on the internet is worth what you paid for it.

[Chantry]

19 hours ago, Sheriff Dill said:

What do you guys have for yourselves or loved ones for self defense while you/they travel when you’re going into states that you cannot carry a firearm ? 
 

Looked at the Bryna guns and Billy clubs. It will be for my wife and or kids while they travel 

 

Thanks

SD

 

And DO NOT go through NYC or NJ,  there have been anecdotal stories of NYC & NJ not "recognizing" FOPA forcing people to spends lots of money, have the gun seized and the charge reduced to disorderly conduct.

[Cypress Sun]

I used to know a guy that carried a heavy sock in one pocket and a roll of quarter in another while flying commercially. This was pre-911, I don't know if it's possible to do that these days, I doubt it.

[John Kloehr]

59 minutes ago, Chantry said:

And DO NOT go through NYC or NJ,  there have been anecdotal stories of NYC & NJ not "recognizing" FOPA forcing people to spends lots of money, have the gun seized and the charge reduced to disorderly conduct.

FOPA is in the laws there as an affirmative defense. So something decided by a judge, not an officer at the side of the road. I too have heard stories, not sure an arrest has happened without some other reason, but a definite sense certain places are not 2A-friendly, downright hostile might even be a better description.

 

If I do not have anything else available as an option, I carry a ball point pen.

[Chantry]

19 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

FOPA is in the laws there as an affirmative defense. So something decided by a judge, not an officer at the side of the road. I too have heard stories, not sure an arrest has happened without some other reason, but a definite sense certain places are not 2A-friendly, downright hostile might even be a better description.

 

If I do not have anything else available as an option, I carry a ball point pen.

 

Even if the judge eventually throws the charge out, NYC will still punish people by seizing the gun and forcing them to spend a lot of money on a defense attorney.  Trying to fight in a trial risks jail time and spending time in jail while spending huge amounts of money on appeals.

 

And without wading into politics, we've seen any number of judges recently handing down rulings they know will get thrown out at the circuit or Supreme Court level.

 

On edit:  I've had reason to travel from CT to VA multiple times.  I take the long way around to avoid NJ completely.  The bonus is avoiding the inevitable traffic across the Tappan Zee or the George Washington bridges.  I drive no more than 5 miles over the limit on clear/dry roads and there are no stickers or anything else that would even remotely suggest that there might be a firearm in the vehicle.  Family circumstances require me to stay in Connecticut.

 

 

Edited February 19 by Chantry

[Chantry]

Did some quick research:

 

NJ:  https://www.anjrpc.org/page/travel_with_firearms

 

NY: https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/fopa-be-damned-new-york-chalks-up-another-high-profile-victim-of-its-ludicrous-gun-control-laws/

 

NY: https://freebeacon.com/issues/john-stossel-interviews-gun-owners-arrested-traveling-new-york/

 

General: https://www.uslawshield.com/3-things-every-gun-owner-needs-to-know-about-traveling-across-state-lines/

 

Those of you living in pro gun states underestimate how lucky you have it.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

10 minutes ago, Chantry said:

Those of you living in pro gun states underestimate how lucky you have it.

One of the main reasons I settled in Arizona was the gun freedom we have here. 

I decided on Arizona back in 1990 when the Marine Corps decided that they no longer need my services. Back then, Arizona was just about the only state where Open Carry was not only legal, but done by the citizenry. We didn't have CCW laws yet, but Open Carry was fine. 

Since then, of course, most states have CCW, and many now also recognize Open Carry, as I referred to in a previous post.   

[Rye Miles #13621]

45 minutes ago, Chantry said:

Those of you living in pro gun states underestimate how lucky you have it.

Here in Ohio we have Constitutional Carry, Open Carry and you can get a CCL if you want it for travel to other states! BTW Ohio has had open carry since around 1890 or so. 

[TN Mongo, SASS #61450]

I've gotten into the habit of always checking on what weapons are legal to carry/have in car every time we travel. The wife and I both have our state's "enhanced carry permits" that make us legal to carry in +/- 30 other states.

 

I also carry the largest folding knife allowed. My "non-gun loving" offspring carry police strength pepper spray. My son carries an Asp collapsible baton and my petite daughter favors a push dagger on a neck lanyard or the nice OTF switchblade she got for Christmas.   

Edited February 20 by TN Mongo, SASS #61450

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

52 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Here in Ohio we have Constitutional Carry, Open Carry and you can get a CCL if you want it for travel to other states! BTW Ohio has had open carry since around 1890 or so. 

I grew up in Ohio. My first arrest was in 1977 for... Carrying a Concealed Weapon. Ohio didn't have a CCW until 2008, and Constitutional Carry until 2022. While Open Carry was Legal since the 1890, if you tried it you would be arrested for Posing a Public Threat until about the mid 20teens when Gun Rights Activists brought it to the attention of the public that it IS legal, and even then there were a lot of, um, misunderstandings with LEOs. 

By the time I started making my roadtrips back there in 2018, it was not an issue, and I carried while there until I stopped going in 2022.

NOW Ohio is gun friendly. When I left, it wasn't. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

I grew up in Ohio. My first arrest was in 1977 for... Carrying a Concealed Weapon. Ohio didn't have a CCW until 2008, and Constitutional Carry until 2022. While Open Carry was Legal since the 1890, if you tried it you would be arrested for Posing a Public Threat until about the mid 20teens when Gun Rights Activists brought it to the attention of the public that it IS legal, and even then there were a lot of, um, misunderstandings with LEOs. 

By the time I started making my roadtrips back there in 2018, it was not an issue, and I carried while there until I stopped going in 2022.

NOW Ohio is gun friendly. When I left, it wasn't. 

Concealed carry in OHIO was enacted on 2004, that’s when I got mine. If you opened carry you might get hassled but only by a LEO that didn’t know any better or if someone reported you for causing a panic. If you ever got arrested, you’d be out very quickly! It actually happened to a friend of mine, he was out in a couple hours! 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

17 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Concealed carry in OHIO was enacted on 2004, that’s when I got mine. If you opened carry you might get hassled but only by a LEO that didn’t know any better or if someone reported you for causing a panic. If you ever got arrested, you’d be out very quickly! It actually happened to a friend of mine, he was out in a couple hours! 

I enlisted in the Marines in 1977, (I was home on Leave from Boot Camp when I was arrested). I got out in 1990, which is when I settled in Arizona. I have been back a number of times over the years, but have never seen anything that made me want to go back to stay. I love Arizona, and have no doubt that I'll live out the rest of my days here.

[Rye Miles #13621]

10 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

I enlisted in the Marines in 1977, (I was home on Leave from Boot Camp when I was arrested). I got out in 1990, which is when I settled in Arizona. I have been back a number of times over the years, but have never seen anything that made me want to go back to stay. I love Arizona, and have no doubt that I'll live out the rest of my days here.

Well good for you, I love Ohio and I have no need to move anywhere else! 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Well good for you, I love Ohio and I have no need to move anywhere else! 

EASY there Rye, I'm not trying to start anything. I'm simply saying that I love Tucson more that I loved Ohio. That, and I don't have any family that I've got any use for, I've not seen most of them since my Dad's funeral in 1996, except my ex-sister who screwed my out of my inheritance. The only friend I have back there can't even be bothered to so much as emule me more than once or twice a year, and NEVER calls me, even though when we were kids, we spent many of our formative years in each other's back pocket.

I love the desert weather here. I can deal with 105 degree heat far better than 30 degree cold. I HATE rain and don't care for snow either. Right now, February 19th it's about 61 degrees here, and that's a relatively cool day here. 

I traveled the world and much of the United States while a Marine, and have survived rainforest, sub-zero, moderate climates, Rain and fog, as well as desert. I like the desert. 

I'm not saying that Ohio is not a fine place to live, it's just not where I want to live.

[Rye Miles #13621]

53 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

EASY there Rye, I'm not trying to start anything. I'm simply saying that I love Tucson more that I loved Ohio. That, and I don't have any family that I've got any use for, I've not seen most of them since my Dad's funeral in 1996, except my ex-sister who screwed my out of my inheritance. The only friend I have back there can't even be bothered to so much as emule me more than once or twice a year, and NEVER calls me, even though when we were kids, we spent many of our formative years in each other's back pocket.

I love the desert weather her. I can deal with 105 degree heat far better than 30 degree cold. I HATE rain and don't care for snow either. Right now, February 19th it's about 61 degrees here, and that's a relatively cool day here. 

I traveled the world and much  United States while a Marine, and have survived rainforest, sub-zero, moderate climates, Rain and fog, as well as desert. I like the desert. 

I'm not saying that Ohio is not a fine place to live, it's just not where I want to live.

Yea fine but I couldn’t live in AZ, so what’s the point here? It seems to me you’re kind of putting down Ohio. I really couldn’t care less where you want to live to be honest. This topic needs to go back to the original subject not where you want to live! Why don’t you start your own post about how much you love where you live! 🙄

[watab kid]

ive visited this thread a couple times , im thinking the 2nd gives you the right to protect you and yours 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

41 minutes ago, watab kid said:

ive visited this thread a couple times , im thinking the 2nd gives you the right to protect you and yours 

I know that you know this, but the 2nd does NOT give you the Right, it says that you have the Right, and it's SUPPOSED to make sure that the government cannot TAKE that Right away. But there are places that do.

Edited February 20 by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770