watab kid Posted February 15 Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: We hope not! 🤣 true that , but ill be really honest here - i like the way jeans look on sydney sweeney ....its something i suspect ill never outlive , Quote
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 13 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Oh... Not WWII vehicles. A US Kubelwagen. 2 1 Quote
WOLFY Posted February 15 Posted February 15 only one i ever owned was a retired Kaiser made USPS Jeep Quote
Kid Rich Posted February 15 Posted February 15 16 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I like my Wranglers tricked out by women. As o'l Leroy would say, God rest his soul, em pants er full. kR 1 Quote
sassnetguy50 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 13 hours ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said: I don't know the criteria but I guess at least 4wd. They make a lot of wienie little cars definitely not designed for off road.Bought mine used, it has a couple of duck rated stickers I could live without but afraid to try to remove them and damage the paint JHC 4wd is not a a specified requirement but only those with 4wd are capable of passing the tests. The 5 tests are: Articulation Fording. about 20" deep iirc. Ground clearance Maneuverability Traction (including factory tìres) You can use a Jeep app as you drive through certain trails to get badges of accomplishment too. Edited February 15 by sassnetguy50 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 15 Posted February 15 9 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: The 1980s YJs were quantum leaps ahead of the CJs. The TJs that arrived in 1996 to replace them were much needed refinements. Same bulletproof 4.0 liter inline 6, with a shift into 4WD on the fly transfer case. The suspension on the TJs was worlds above the YJ and is what set them apart. Mine was a ‘97 TJ bought new in 1996. Drove it for 10 trouble-free years until someone t-boned me. I still miss it. Respectfully, the last real Jeep was made in 2005. You might, and are entitled to disagree. 😊 The last real Jeep was made by AMC(AlMost s Car). 1 Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Back to the ducks: a lady I know had someone give her little duck when she started working there. She recently retired after 24 years and took over 400 duckies with her. Her entire office was lined with ducks, from 1/3 inch to fifteen inches I go by her office now and really miss those stupid little toy ducks. 2 Quote
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 I have always enjoyed shared interests creating a sense of community. I do not currently own a jeep - sold my Wrangler when I moved out of Michigan. But I always liked the "Jeep Wave" (and the ducks are just an extension of that). Corvettes get a peace sign out the window or at minimum off the steering wheel thru the windshield. I always throw an inverted V at motorcycles - even sometimes when I'm in the car. All of this is just a nice way to say, "This toy that YOU think is cool. Well, I agree - I think it's cool as well." And some will go overboard and some may not participate at all - but as long as we don't step on anyone else's joy; it's a big tent. 2 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 15 Posted February 15 12 hours ago, WOLFY said: only one i ever owned was a retired Kaiser made USPS Jeep Buddy of mine drove one of those for years. He's one of those guys who drives a vehicle til the wheels fall off then put em back on and drive it some more JHC 😅 1 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 15 Posted February 15 19 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: If I wanted to own a pickup truck, and I don’t, this what I’d buy. It’s closer in size and bed capacity as the working Chevy pickup I drove in the early ’70s. It looks right-sized for its purpose. I was in a brand new GMC pickup truck the other day. It’s the size of a dump truck, but doesn’t do one thing that my 70’s truck couldn’t do. I’m 6’ tall and the hood on this monster is up to my shoulders. The tailgate is about belly button height to me, which people shorter than me have quite lift-over height. And it’s no picnic for me. And here’s the biggest knock against it in my mind: out the door it cost $100,000. For a pickup truck. Like the Jeeps I see, it’ll never be used for its supposed purpose. It’s just a status symbol I don’t understand. That's why I bought mine. Drove Silverados for decades. Last one I had was a 2020 and would be great if you are 6'5" but I'm short. I couldn't reach anything in the bed, rails were almost up to my chin and could barely see over the hood swell. 😡JHC 1 Quote
JD Lud Posted February 15 Posted February 15 16 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Are you referring to the full-size Bronco or the Sport model? The Sports are closer to the Jeeps in size. The full size models are huge comparatively. My neighbor has one and I feel like I’m sitting in an H1 military Humvee. Ok, slight exaggeration, but you get my drift. 😊 the full size. It’s a better competitor than the Bronco sport though slightly bigger….woukd you believe a four door Bronco is only 1” longer and 2” wider than a four door wrangler? Most of the size perceived difference I think comes from the Sasquatch packages with large tires. We got the sport as an option for a work car and they were not well liked at all. They were low end specs but still not good. 1 Quote
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 11 minutes ago, JD Lud said: the full size. It’s a better competitor than the Bronco sport though slightly bigger….woukd you believe a four door Bronco is only 1” longer and 2” wider than a four door wrangler? Most of the size perceived difference I think comes from the Sasquatch packages with large tires. We got the sport as an option for a work car and they were not well liked at all. They were low end specs but still not good. That makes sense. The “new” 4-door wranglers are huge compared to my ‘97 2-door TJ, which was my frame of reference. My neighbor’s full size Bronco has oversized tires and I think maybe a mild lift kit, which increases the perception of size. She has never driven it off the pavement. 😕 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 15 Posted February 15 19 hours ago, JD Lud said: Broncos are taking over the Jeep sales. Those owners don’t get ducked…they get bucked….leaving little broncos or Sasquatches even.. For what it’s worth the Bronco seems much improved over the jeeps I have had. The 2.7 ecoboost and a Sasquatch package and you are set….plus wide enough to sit in it and not feel cramped. Doesn't seem so in my neck of the woods . There's Jeeps of various kinds all over the place. Not that many Broncos at least now JHC Quote
JD Lud Posted February 15 Posted February 15 I think they look better than jeeps and roomier on inside. Here is wife’s she just got….she hasn’t had it off road yet we take the truck for that so her tires don’t throw so many rocks 1 Quote
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 42 minutes ago, JD Lud said: I think they look better than jeeps and roomier on inside. Here is wife’s she just got….she hasn’t had it off road yet we take the truck for that so her tires don’t throw so many rocks They look out of proportion to me. They look like the roofline should be higher. But I was used to the older profile. Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, JD Lud said: I think they look better than jeeps and roomier on inside. Here is wife’s she just got….she hasn’t had it off road yet we take the truck for that so her tires don’t throw so many rocks Looks more like a late 70's International Scout II 1 1 Quote
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Looks more like a late 70's International Scout II Umm…yeah, sorta kinda agree! Although it’s larger than the Scout. Today’s SUVs are just beefier (fatter?) than those of yore. Seats are plusher, dashboards are impenetrable, including glass infotainment centers, doors are thicker and about 1,000 lbs of carpet and sound deadening material has been packed in too. Yeesh! Edited February 16 by Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Umm…yeah, sorta kinda agree! Although it’s larger than the Scout. Today’s SUVs are just beefier (fatter?) than those of yore. Seats are plusher, dashboards are impenetrable, including glass infotainment centers, doors are thicker and about 1,000 lbs of carpet and sound deadening material has been packed in too. Yeesh! Look at the 2 door version and you see. Quote
Cholla Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Trail Rated: The Jeep Trail Rated badge signifies that a Jeep vehicle has passed rigorous tests in five categories: Traction, Water Fording, Maneuverability, Articulation, and Ground Clearance, ensuring it is capable of handling tough off-road conditions. This badge represents the vehicle's readiness for adventure and its ability to perform in challenging terrains. >>> I have been told there is a specific "Rubicon Trail" they use. Jeep also has the Jeep Honor App. The owner enters their VIN and personal information in the app. Here in Arizona, we have many trails that have been designated Jeep trails. If the owner logs into the app while on the trail, they are sent a weatherproof plastic badge with the trail route and name. The badge has an adhesive backing that can be stuck to the exterior of the Jeep, usually under the trail-rated badge. I went on one trail without my wife and got the badge for my Gladiator. Once she saw the badge, she wanted one for her Jeep. I said fine, but you have to drive. She did it and got her badge. The photos are some of the smoother parts of the trail. This is Schnelby Hill Road from Sedona to Flagstaff. It was the original way from Flagstaff to Sedona in the early days. Our first attempt was the day before my kidney stone operation. Within a mile, my wife was concerned I might not make it. I thought for a moment and turned around and headed home! 2 Quote
Jonathan Slim Chance Posted February 16 Posted February 16 I picked up a 2017 Wrangler this past summer, and I've been 'ducked' exactly twice. I tend to keep the ducks in the glove box as I don't like a bunch of stuff on my dash. It is pretty much stock, and I have no desire to lift it, add monster tires, or any such thing. I bought it as a consolidation of vehicles: a daily driver, a convertible, and a 4 wheel drive for the winters here in Northwest Indiana. It's got a hard top now, but I intend to put a soft top on it this spring. Quote
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 The stupid rubbers ducks are a ChiCom plot as they are all made in China. 2 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 17 Posted February 17 12 hours ago, Jonathan Slim Chance said: I picked up a 2017 Wrangler this past summer, and I've been 'ducked' exactly twice. I tend to keep the ducks in the glove box as I don't like a bunch of stuff on my dash. It is pretty much stock, and I have no desire to lift it, add monster tires, or any such thing. I bought it as a consolidation of vehicles: a daily driver, a convertible, and a 4 wheel drive for the winters here in Northwest Indiana. It's got a hard top now, but I intend to put a soft top on it this spring. Nice! I used to kinda drool over those . My problem is I love pickups. Only other thing I ever drove was a 73 Malibu for a while in college when my nephew rolled my beloved 69 C10 Chevy. I guess it's open to debate if the Gladiator qualifies as a pickup but I looked at most everything American made on the market and it seemed the best fit. Not to mention I always wanted a Jeep anyway so so far it has scratched both itches 😉 Quote
watab kid Posted February 17 Posted February 17 i like some of your jeeps , mine was a grand cherokee new in 97 but it always felt cramped to me , after i drove it three years my wife took it and drove it five more - did last well as it had near 350,.000 on it when we decided it was done Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 17 Posted February 17 On 2/15/2026 at 7:41 PM, Cholla said: Trail Rated: The Jeep Trail Rated badge signifies that a Jeep vehicle has passed rigorous tests in five categories: Traction, Water Fording, Maneuverability, Articulation, and Ground Clearance, ensuring it is capable of handling tough off-road conditions. This badge represents the vehicle's readiness for adventure and its ability to perform in challenging terrains. >>> I have been told there is a specific "Rubicon Trail" they use. Jeep also has the Jeep Honor App. The owner enters their VIN and personal information in the app. Here in Arizona, we have many trails that have been designated Jeep trails. If the owner logs into the app while on the trail, they are sent a weatherproof plastic badge with the trail route and name. The badge has an adhesive backing that can be stuck to the exterior of the Jeep, usually under the trail-rated badge. I went on one trail without my wife and got the badge for my Gladiator. Once she saw the badge, she wanted one for her Jeep. I said fine, but you have to drive. She did it and got her badge. The photos are some of the smoother parts of the trail. This is Schnelby Hill Road from Sedona to Flagstaff. It was the original way from Flagstaff to Sedona in the early days. Our first attempt was the day before my kidney stone operation. Within a mile, my wife was concerned I might not make it. I thought for a moment and turned around and headed home! Why you never should be the only vehicle. Quote
WOLFY Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/15/2026 at 12:11 PM, Capt. James H. Callahan said: Buddy of mine drove one of those for years. He's one of those guys who drives a vehicle til the wheels fall off then put em back on and drive it some more JHC 😅 i’m the same way - i get the wife newer vehicles and drive the wheels off my rust buckets 2 wheel vehicles are where i put my $$$ Edited February 21 by WOLFY Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Here's my '85 CJ-7 that I bought new in March of 1985. 6cyl, 5 speed manual with front and rear locking differentials using a 4/1 transfer case with 4:56 ring and pinion ratio. On 33" BFG A/T tires. I'm the only one that has ever put a wrench to it. Taught both of my kids to drive a 'stick' with it as I wouldn't let them get a driver's license until they could drive a stick It's still my daily driver....... 3 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Sweet! Few weeks ago we had a snow/sleet storm, thankfully mostly snow. Lasted about 3 days. Second day I put Willy in 4wd and had no trouble when others were sliding around. I can lock the front and or back axles but was not necessary. If you lock the axles on mine you have to crawl around in 2L. JHC 2 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/15/2026 at 7:41 PM, Cholla said: Trail Rated: The Jeep Trail Rated badge signifies that a Jeep vehicle has passed rigorous tests in five categories: Traction, Water Fording, Maneuverability, Articulation, and Ground Clearance, ensuring it is capable of handling tough off-road conditions. This badge represents the vehicle's readiness for adventure and its ability to perform in challenging terrains. >>> I have been told there is a specific "Rubicon Trail" they use. Jeep also has the Jeep Honor App. The owner enters their VIN and personal information in the app. Here in Arizona, we have many trails that have been designated Jeep trails. If the owner logs into the app while on the trail, they are sent a weatherproof plastic badge with the trail route and name. The badge has an adhesive backing that can be stuck to the exterior of the Jeep, usually under the trail-rated badge. I went on one trail without my wife and got the badge for my Gladiator. Once she saw the badge, she wanted one for her Jeep. I said fine, but you have to drive. She did it and got her badge. The photos are some of the smoother parts of the trail. This is Schnelby Hill Road from Sedona to Flagstaff. It was the original way from Flagstaff to Sedona in the early days. Our first attempt was the day before my kidney stone operation. Within a mile, my wife was concerned I might not make it. I thought for a moment and turned around and headed home! Nifty trick. It changed color! And shrank. Sorry you had to abort your trail ride. JHC Edited February 21 by Capt. James H. Callahan Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 21 Posted February 21 15 minutes ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said: Sweet! Few weeks ago we had a snow/sleet storm, thankfully mostly snow. Lasted about 3 days. Second day I put Willy in 4wd and had no trouble when others were sliding around. I can lock the front and or back axles but was not necessary. If you lock the axles on mine you have to crawl around in 2L. JHC How do you 'lock' the axles? Mine are Detroit Lockers and they lock automatically in either HI or Lo range. Quote
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: How do you 'lock' the axles? Mine are Detroit Lockers and they lock automatically in either HI or Lo range. If it's like the TJ Rubicon models, they only lock in Low Range with an electronic locker. Most Jeepers don't recommend a locked front axle in snow anyway. Makes it hard to turn. 2 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: If it's like the TJ Rubicon models, they only lock in Low Range with an electronic locker. Most Jeepers don't recommend a locked front axle in snow anyway. Makes it hard to turn. No 'lectric lockers then..... My front Detroit has never been an issue in any terrain. Like it way more that the limited-slip I had in the front. Turning is easy. Edited February 21 by The Original Lumpy Gritz 1 Quote
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 21 Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: If it's like the TJ Rubicon models, they only lock in Low Range with an electronic locker. Most Jeepers don't recommend a locked front axle in snow anyway. Makes it hard to turn. It is an electronic switch. I think you can only lock them in 2L. Like for serious rock climbing. Haven't used either on mine. During the snow and ice I used 4H. JHC Quote
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 33 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: No 'lectric lockers then..... My front Detroit has never been an issue in any terrain. Like it way more that the limited-slip I had in the front. Turning is easy. Right. The Lockers automatically (I think), activate, when in Low Range. A Locker that unlocks for turning works well in slick conditions. If I had the money and the need, I'd probably have a selectable Locker both front and back. Edited February 21 by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Right. The Lockers automatically (I think), activate, when in Low Range. A Locker that unlocks for turning works well in slick conditions. If I had the money and the need, I'd probably have a selectable Locker both front and back. Detroit Lockers unlock when you back off the throttle. They only engage when torque is applied. Toughest lockers made. 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said: It is an electronic switch. I think you can only lock them in 2L. Like for serious rock climbing. Haven't used either on mine. During the snow and ice I used 4H. JHC You really should test them out, BEFORE you need'em Bet they b work in 4Lo....... Edited February 22 by The Original Lumpy Gritz Quote
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