Mileage limits in Mass.

[Rye Miles #13621]

These climate people are absolutely crazy! I hope this doesn’t pass.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-bill-aims-at-reducing-how-many-miles-people-drive-in-massachusetts/ar-AA1TFYxo

Edited Saturday at 11:53 AM by Rye Miles #13621

[Texas Joker]

1. Reduce miles

 

2.become confused as to why highway funding taxes reduced due to reduced fuel tax collection. 

 

 3.Increase fuel taxes 

 

4. See 2

[Eyesa Horg]

These people must lie awake at night coming up with their foolishness. " Hey, I know......"

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

it's not anything being forced on the public

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

Stupidity knows absolutely NO BOUNDS  🤯

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

There are places where more trains and busses would be useful

[Subdeacon Joe]

Have any of you read the text of the bill?

It's mostly about using tax dollars to improve mass transit, bike paths, pedestrian paths and the like.  I can see making mass transit better so it doesn't take 4 hours on mass transit for a half hour round trip if you drive.  That might encourage more  people to use it. Bike and pedestrian paths are a waste of tax dollars. 

 

Nowhere did I see anything like what the subject line implies,  "Ten miles per day is thy allotted distance,  and thou shalt be fined $20 per foot for any distance in excess of that."

 

 

I did look up right to travel.   There are some interesting citations here: 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-7237/215263/20220301155927765_20220301-153600-00002217-00002863.pdf

[Subdeacon Joe]

7 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

There are places where more trains and busses would be useful

 

About 25 years ago I had to use public transportation here.  It took an hour and a half to get to work,  which was at most a half hour if I drove.   If I missed the bus, or couldn't get on because it was full, I had to wait 45 minutes for the next one.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

There were very successful trolly systems until the automakers, tire, and oil companies bought them and shut them down.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

5 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

it's not anything being forced on the public

Yet!

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Public transport Works better in population dense areas, hi rise apts, condos.

[Buckshot Bear]

Next there will be flatulence limits. 

[Eyesa Horg]

58 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said:

Next there will be flatulence limits. 

They're already going after cows here! For flatulence and belches! 

[Pat Riot]

California talked about taxing car mileage. That went over like a lead balloon. 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

8 hours ago, Texas Joker said:

1. Reduce miles

2.become confused as to why highway funding taxes reduced due to reduced fuel tax collection. 

3.Increase fuel taxes 

4. See 2

They did the same type thing with cigarette taxes here in Arizona about 20 years ago. The plan was to use the tax money to pay for Stop Smoking programs. The programs worked so well that they wound up not having enough money to continue to pay for the programs.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

When it takes 20 minutes to drive but 30 minutes to find parking it’s time to think of something…

[Texas Maverick]

I didn't know CO had any limits like it states in the article.

 

TM

[Rye Miles #13621]

4 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Have any of you read the text of the bill?

It's mostly about using tax dollars to improve mass transit, bike paths, pedestrian paths and the like.  I can see making mass transit better so it doesn't take 4 hours on mass transit for a half hour round trip if you drive.  That might encourage more  people to use it. Bike and pedestrian paths are a waste of tax dollars. 

 

Nowhere did I see anything like what the subject line implies,  "Ten miles per day is thy allotted distance,  and thou shalt be fined $20 per foot for any distance in excess of that."

 

 

I did look up right to travel.   There are some interesting citations here: 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-7237/215263/20220301155927765_20220301-153600-00002217-00002863.pdf

I realize that and it’s only a bill that’s being looked at. Don’t think for one minute that these crazies don’t want to tax the people according to their yearly mileage. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

 

A new bill proposed in Massachusetts aims to reduce how many miles people drive in their cars.

Lawmakers say it’s to reduce the state’s greenhouse gas emissions. While no specific mileage was listed, the bill would require MassDOT to set goals to reduce the number of statewide driving miles in general.

Edited Saturday at 10:29 PM by Rye Miles #13621

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

I recall hearing a proposal to the effect in Kalifornia, I think, about charging electric vehicle owners a mileage charge since they couldn't get them with gas taxes.

Gas tax alternative: Caltrans pilot program will charge drivers per mile. Full article here: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/california-gas-tax-drivers-charge-miles/3544491/

Oregon and Utah have similar plans.

Edited Saturday at 10:40 PM by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770

[Texas Lizard]

3 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

Public transport Works better in population dense areas, hi rise apts, condos.

Easier to control the people when they live in one area.....

 

Texas Lizard

[Rye Miles #13621]

49 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

I recall hearing a proposal to the effect in Kalifornia, I think, about charging electric vehicle owners a mileage charge since they couldn't get them with gas taxes.

Gas tax alternative: Caltrans pilot program will charge drivers per mile. Full article here: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/california-gas-tax-drivers-charge-miles/3544491/

Oregon and Utah have similar plans.

In Ohio when you renew your license tags, it’s $100.00 extra for a hybrid and $200 extra for a fully electric vehicle.

Edited Saturday at 11:28 PM by Rye Miles #13621

[John Kloehr]

There is some extra EV charge here in Tennessee also. When hybrids first came about, California encouraged purchase with a free carpool lane sticker (no passenger required). Many bought these cars for just that reason. Then after some time, this incentive went away and sales plummeted; apparently the legislators could not understand why...

 

But when gas taxes pay for road repairs, and electric vehicle owners do not buy gas, they still need to pay a fair share. My Ram truck has the eTorque system which makes it a 5% hybrid, under the wire by some amount so registered as a gas vehicle here. Does give some extra oomph off the line.

 

EV adoption is limited by several things. Those who live in apartments who can not charge conveniently overnight, poor performance in the cold limiting range and increasing cost per mile, accelerated depreciation as the battery life is measured in time, not miles, increased insurance cost due to cost of collision repairs, and now manufacturers backing off production d possibly support due to loss of EV manufacturing incentives, plus loss of consumer EV purchase incentives. EV at the current state of technology does meet the needs of some people, those people have already purchased. The market is saturated. Looking to history, a very early car was electric and had some advantages; still, even with having to order gasoline delivered to the hoe (before service stations), gasoline engines was the people's choice and beat out horses.

 

A mileage tax is silly for gas vehicles, gas taxes are close enough. Adding a mileage tax to EVs will just further slow adoption fair as it might be. This tax may only be nominal, folks still will reject it just because.

[Eyesa Horg]

If gas vehicles pay highway use taxes, EVs should as well. They're heavier, thus causing more road wear too. 

[watab kid]

17 hours ago, Texas Joker said:

1. Reduce miles

 

2.become confused as to why highway funding taxes reduced due to reduced fuel tax collection. 

 

 3.Increase fuel taxes 

 

4. See 2

to add to this reduced toll fees - and - no groceries - da - you are shooting off your toe to save your foot ? IDIOTS 

[Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062]

16 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said:

Next there will be flatulence limits. 

 

 ..... oH bOY;  am I gonna be in trouble ......  🤫

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

On 1/10/2026 at 7:53 AM, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

it's not anything being forced on the public

That’s the NEXT phase!!

 

Aside: how far CAN you drive in Massachusetts? It’s not that big !

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

That’s the NEXT phase!!

 

Aside: how far CAN you drive in Massachusetts? It’s not that big !

 

"Dimensions: Roughly 190 miles (E-W) by 110 miles (N-S). "

 

Round trip commute for some people. 

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

2 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

"Dimensions: Roughly 190 miles (E-W) by 110 miles (N-S). "

 

Round trip commute for some people. 

😂

Maybe that’s a state back east….

[Texas Maverick]

22 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said:

They're already going after cows here! For flatulence and belches! 

Oh no, I have a dog that belches 2 or 3 times an hour. He is quite something, just not sure what yet. LOL

 

TM

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Really, it'd only work in and near Boston, where the T is.

[Doc Shapiro]

It will likely pass. The goal has always been to get people into cities for reasons mentioned above, and the simple fact the rural folks tend to be conservative. 

[Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life]

21 hours ago, Texas Maverick said:

I didn't know CO had any limits like it states in the article.

 

TM

It currently only applies to vehicles designed to transport 15 persons or more. It does not apply to mileage within a city’s limits or vehicles operated by a governmental entity (of course ). Mileage between cities is calculated by a formula known only to Denver politicians and an out of state intermittent transport operator can purchase a card upon entry to Colorado (last I heard it was $25 per trip)

A pet project of our governors partner this was passed as a measure to help with climate change!

Regards

    
Gateway Kid

[Doc Shapiro]

12 minutes ago, Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life said:

It currently only applies to vehicles designed to transport 15 persons or more. It does not apply to mileage within a city’s limits or vehicles operated by a governmental entity (of course ). Mileage between cities is calculated by a formula known only to Denver politicians and an out of state intermittent transport operator can purchase a card upon entry to Colorado (last I heard it was $25 per trip)

A pet project of our governors partner this was passed as a measure to help with stealing money to pay off campaign contributions!

Regards

    
Gateway Kid

 

Fixed it for you 

Edited yesterday at 07:56 PM by Doc Shapiro