JackSlade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 https://palmettostatearmory.com/stoeger-coach-gun-s-x-s-12-ga-20-shotgun-black-synthetic-31676.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=am&utm_term=01-05-2026&utm_content=516551737516 Man, bad timing for us trying to sell coach guns lol 2 1 Quote
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 They are also for sale for less than $300 on Gunbroker. I'm going to buy one as I am now shooting my backup while my CZ Sharptail is being repaired. Quote
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 A new-ish shooter in my club bought one and smoothed it up himself. A great value. Assuming you don’t get a lemon. Today’s price was too good to pass up. I just ordered one as a loaner. Too bad my local PSA retail store had none in stock; I would have saved the $20 shipping. Quote
watab kid Posted January 6 Posted January 6 i dont understand why SASS allows synthetic stocks but ive already been read the rules and i guess some thing not being authentic replicas is a thing to be accepted - dont want to ever hear any BS if i forget my boots and hat and show up in tennis shoes and a ball cap tho , 1 2 Quote
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 10 hours ago, watab kid said: i dont understand why SASS allows synthetic stocks but ive already been read the rules and i guess some thing not being authentic replicas is a thing to be accepted - dont want to ever hear any BS if i forget my boots and hat and show up in tennis shoes and a ball cap tho , Not all categories are required to wear a hat! and people already show up not wearing boots! So, your good to go! V.D. 1 Quote
JackSlade Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 I figured if you can rock plastic grips on a Ruger vaquero (or any transfer bar revolver for that matter) synthetic stocks aren't much different? Is it ugly, sure, but if it gets someone otherwise unable to afford to play, I welcome with open arms. 3 Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 6 Posted January 6 How about, let us NOT forget, SASS/CAS is NOT reenactment. It's a FANTASY game intended to entertain. 5 Quote
Three Foot Johnson Posted January 6 Posted January 6 15 hours ago, watab kid said: i dont understand why SASS allows synthetic stocks but ive already been read the rules and i guess some thing not being authentic replicas is a thing to be accepted - dont want to ever hear any BS if i forget my boots and hat and show up in tennis shoes and a ball cap tho , Next thing ya know, ever'body'll be a'wearin' store-bought underwear! Tennis is a period game, I dunno why tennis shoes wouldn't be legal. 2 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 6 Posted January 6 16 hours ago, watab kid said: i dont understand why SASS allows synthetic stocks but ive already been read the rules and i guess some thing not being authentic replicas is a thing to be accepted - dont want to ever hear any BS if i forget my boots and hat and show up in tennis shoes and a ball cap tho , I bought one of them. The furniture is black and while not obviously (obviously not) wood, it is not bad and a little dirt will solve much of the newness. I plan to add a leather wrap at the end of the stock just to draw the eye from the furniture. Anyway, while I to do not quite understand it, I do not object. Jaux it with paint might be an option to make it suit your individual sense of style. Still, nothing to do with I might choose to do or even somewhat might not choose to do. For another $200, can get one with wood furniture. Still a new gun even then. I'm sure anyone making a spaghetti western today would have no problem with it. And from what I understand, this sport is not as much about true authenticity as it is about Hollywood authenticity. You are welcome to forget your boots and hat except in a few categories, I agree do not want to hear about tennis shoes and ball caps either. I partly have the hat to catch all the cases which would otherwise land on my head, not required otherwise. Quote
watab kid Posted January 7 Posted January 7 13 hours ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said: Not all categories are required to wear a hat! and people already show up not wearing boots! So, your good to go! V.D. i get that - just not at all certain why we dress up at all if our rules are so lax , and again much like my wild bunch complaint about the 1911A1 being acceptible - i really dont care that much , just thought it was different , each time i find out its more lax i start thinking ive maybe misunderstood the whole game Quote
watab kid Posted January 7 Posted January 7 8 hours ago, John Kloehr said: I bought one of them. The furniture is black and while not obviously (obviously not) wood, it is not bad and a little dirt will solve much of the newness. I plan to add a leather wrap at the end of the stock just to draw the eye from the furniture. Anyway, while I to do not quite understand it, I do not object. Jaux it with paint might be an option to make it suit your individual sense of style. Still, nothing to do with I might choose to do or even somewhat might not choose to do. For another $200, can get one with wood furniture. Still a new gun even then. I'm sure anyone making a spaghetti western today would have no problem with it. And from what I understand, this sport is not as much about true authenticity as it is about Hollywood authenticity. You are welcome to forget your boots and hat except in a few categories, I agree do not want to hear about tennis shoes and ball caps either. I partly have the hat to catch all the cases which would otherwise land on my head, not required otherwise. my only thinking here is that in the old west the stocks were wood - i get it if yall want to open the sport up to new folks by allowing synthetic stocks , i get wild bunch wanting to invite new blood with 1911A1s but heres the bottom line - dont claim we shoot traditional stuff in our game when we dont and part of the reason i joined was because i was told we did - i know , it was a guy starting a new club here that shot BP and he was nothing in the heirarchy of this organization , end of this topic comment on my part ids im a little disillusioned by all of this but ill get over it , im not gonna quit shooting and im not gonna quit having fun , im also not gonna raise any more ruckus over any of it - i might ask questions and i may make comments but its all of your game to run and carry forward - ive only got a few more years of shooting left at my age - just keep it fun for everyone 2 Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 6 hours ago, watab kid said: my only thinking here is that in the old west the stocks were wood - i get it if yall want to open the sport up to new folks by allowing synthetic stocks , i get wild bunch wanting to invite new blood with 1911A1s but heres the bottom line - dont claim we shoot traditional stuff in our game when we dont and part of the reason i joined was because i was told we did - i know , it was a guy starting a new club here that shot BP and he was nothing in the heirarchy of this organization , end of this topic comment on my part ids im a little disillusioned by all of this but ill get over it , im not gonna quit shooting and im not gonna quit having fun , im also not gonna raise any more ruckus over any of it - i might ask questions and i may make comments but its all of your game to run and carry forward - ive only got a few more years of shooting left at my age - just keep it fun for everyone As much as I have been here for some time, I am more of a beginner in this sport. I do not speak for the sport. There is another [sport, NCOWS]* which I understand is stricter than SASS. An example is my stock Miroku 1873 in 44-40 is not legal because the stroke is a bit shorter than an "authentic" 1873 implementation. Aside from the good people I have met in this sport (unexpected bonus), I just like trying to run the old "operating systems" as fast as possible. It is a nice contrast to competing in other sports with semi-automatic platforms. I shoot in a bunch of sports, your last words in the quoted post are the most important for all of them. Have fun. I'm sure it would be a pleasure to be squadded with you.. * Corrected text in square brackets, see next post by @Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Edited January 7 by John Kloehr Quote
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: There is another Cowboy Action Shooting sport (CAS) which I understand is stricter than SASS. An example is my stock Miroku 1873 in 44-40 is not legal because the stroke is a bit shorter than an "authentic" 1873 implementation. The organization is NCOWS; as you said it places more emphasis on authenticity. That suits some people. SASS has a trademark on the term “cowboy action shooting” so technically NCOWS is not “CAS”. 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 7 Posted January 7 27 minutes ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said: The organization is NCOWS; as you said it places more emphasis on authenticity. That suits some people. SASS has a trademark on the term “cowboy action shooting” so technically NCOWS is not “CAS”. Thanks! I fixed my post and credited you for the proper terminology. Quote
watab kid Posted January 8 Posted January 8 14 hours ago, John Kloehr said: As much as I have been here for some time, I am more of a beginner in this sport. I do not speak for the sport. There is another [sport, NCOWS]* which I understand is stricter than SASS. An example is my stock Miroku 1873 in 44-40 is not legal because the stroke is a bit shorter than an "authentic" 1873 implementation. Aside from the good people I have met in this sport (unexpected bonus), I just like trying to run the old "operating systems" as fast as possible. It is a nice contrast to competing in other sports with semi-automatic platforms. I shoot in a bunch of sports, your last words in the quoted post are the most important for all of them. Have fun. I'm sure it would be a pleasure to be squadded with you.. * Corrected text in square brackets, see next post by @Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 i too have found a lot of great folks in this sport and when i gave up the modern fdor this i never ;looked back of missed it , like ive mentioned before im not a competitor i do it for fun and getting to shoot these older style actions along with the reloading Quote
Dapper Dave Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/5/2026 at 11:53 PM, watab kid said: i dont understand why SASS allows synthetic stocks but ive already been read the rules and i guess some thing not being authentic replicas is a thing to be accepted - dont want to ever hear any BS if i forget my boots and hat and show up in tennis shoes and a ball cap tho , Well, I am glad they do allow them, because otherwise I wouldn't have had a boom stick of my own right away. One thing - it needed a lot of slicking up, and since I obviously couldn't afford a gunsmith, hours of me with Mothers Mag Polish, oil and 600 grit sandpaper smoothing things out. Now it drops and shucks just fine, unless I shoot a lot of black. Other thing - I got it to work just fine after a very amateur home slick job, but it still hates to break open if using real shotgun ammo, i.e., factory buckshot. It will work just fine with MagTech black powder loads, though. Last thing - the barrels are regulated..."loosely". The right barrel is dead on, the left barrel shoots...left. At Cowboy distances, not a real problem, though I have missed a plate once or twice, (I blame me, not the gun), but anything past 15 yards and that left barrel is pretty much off paper. I will keep it as a backup, and because it was my first ever double barrel shotgun, a great entry tool to get into this great sport, (until my boss took it away from me), but now I have my CZ Sharptail by Ken Griner, and in April, she gets her baptism in fire. But the Stoeger will remain. 2 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/6/2026 at 3:41 PM, Three Foot Johnson said: Next thing ya know, ever'body'll be a'wearin' store-bought underwear! Tennis is a period game, I dunno why tennis shoes wouldn't be legal. I was supposed to wear underwear? Hows come nobody done told me that? 3 Quote
watab kid Posted January 9 Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Dapper Dave said: Well, I am glad they do allow them, because otherwise I wouldn't have had a boom stick of my own right away. One thing - it needed a lot of slicking up, and since I obviously couldn't afford a gunsmith, hours of me with Mothers Mag Polish, oil and 600 grit sandpaper smoothing things out. Now it drops and shucks just fine, unless I shoot a lot of black. Other thing - I got it to work just fine after a very amateur home slick job, but it still hates to break open if using real shotgun ammo, i.e., factory buckshot. It will work just fine with MagTech black powder loads, though. Last thing - the barrels are regulated..."loosely". The right barrel is dead on, the left barrel shoots...left. At Cowboy distances, not a real problem, though I have missed a plate once or twice, (I blame me, not the gun), but anything past 15 yards and that left barrel is pretty much off paper. I will keep it as a backup, and because it was my first ever double barrel shotgun, a great entry tool to get into this great sport, (until my boss took it away from me), but now I have my CZ Sharptail by Ken Griner, and in April, she gets her baptism in fire. But the Stoeger will remain. good for you dave , im always glad to see new folks or any other getting in or back into the game , it adds so much having new faces and ill never ever say a word to anyone showing up out of sorts or not in compliance as im not the rule guy , i was simply asking about what made the regulations the way they were when i thought we had different guidelines , i really dont care , ill never complain at a match nor even question , i want everyone to join and have fun , thats what its all about , i like that you are here and have found your way nto the game , for the record i did it too a long time ago , i know how hard it is to finance the start up when you have a family and other demands on your income , i get it that disposable funds are not easy for every new startup , this is not a cheap sport , im older and have been at it long enough to have the advantage of saying what i did above because i have invested over a long time after my kids were gone and even though im not any kind of high roller ive had the time and money to buy into this over all those years , i hpe one day you can get a wood stock shotgun - they are traditional to the times and fun to just have and shoot - till then glad you are here and having fun , thats what its all about after all , 1 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted January 9 Posted January 9 That was the last one I posted - I had a windfall of a CZ Sharptail and was able to get Ken Griner to work his magic on it...and haven't had the chance to use it yet. Quote
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 A shooter in my area has a Stoeger with a wood stock that has been painted black. The Stoeger with the synthetic stock looks about the same, because it has the same shape. I have seen some “tactical doubles” with M-lok slots and pic rails on the forend. That would be a different matter. With NFA tax set at zero I think suppressor sales will increase. A pistol caliber lever action rifle is a great suppressor host. I hope we will see flexibility to allow these rifles as we saw with the Taylors 9mm 1873 rifle. Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said: With NFA tax set at zero I think suppressor sales will increase. A pistol caliber lever action rifle is a great suppressor host. I hope we will see flexibility to allow these rifles... There was a recent discussion on what a rules-compliant thread protector looks like. So there is a way to have a threaded barrel in this sport, as long as the thread is acceptably protected/covered. The silencer was first patented in 1921, so I think a can is unlikely to ever be SASS legal. Quote
Dapper Dave Posted January 10 Posted January 10 But a short barreled scatter gun could be...but how short can you go with those barrels and still hit the steel with enough #8 to knock the plate over? Inquiring minds might wanna know... Quote
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/9/2026 at 10:49 AM, John Kloehr said: There was a recent discussion on what a rules-compliant thread protector looks like. So there is a way to have a threaded barrel in this sport, as long as the thread is acceptably protected/covered. The silencer was first patented in 1921, so I think a can is unlikely to ever be SASS legal. Yes, the flexibility was to allow a threaded barrel so long as the thread protector matches the contour of the barrel. I wasn’t suggesting suppressors be allowed. Quote
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: But a short barreled scatter gun could be...but how short can you go with those barrels and still hit the steel with enough #8 to knock the plate over? Inquiring minds might wanna know... SASS rules require shotgun barrel length of 18” and 16” minimum for rifles. NFA stamp does not constitute an exception. 1 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 10 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said: Yes, the flexibility was to allow a threaded barrel so long as the thread protector matches the contour of the barrel. I wasn’t suggesting suppressors be allowed. Poor wording on my part. Did not mean to imply you did. I just got curious and looked up the invention date. Had it been 1899, I might have suggested it at least for fun. Still would not likely be allowed in SASS as they were never used by Hollywood in westerns. Quote
Dapper Dave Posted January 11 Posted January 11 7 hours ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said: SASS rules require shotgun barrel length of 18” and 16” minimum for rifles. NFA stamp does not constitute an exception. I actually did not know that, never needed to look it up before, nice to know, thank you. Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 11 Posted January 11 SASS rules on Rifle/Shotgun barrel length simply parallel the current federal NFA rules. With screw in chokes, really short barrels > > > > > Quote
Griff Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Yer ball caps and tennis shoes are listed in the SHB, ver 27.9, pg4: Quote OUTLAWED ITEMS ... - Ball caps. - All types of athletic shoes or combat boots, no matter the material from which they are constructed. So, yea, ya wear 'em, yer likely to hear about it. 2 2 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I just prefer a wood stock. That’s all I have to say! Quote
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