Licensing a Civil Right

[Lawdog Dago Dom]

Corey Booker. I cannot watch this guy and keep a straight face.

 

New Senate Bill Would Require Federal License to Buy/Own a Gun

[Subdeacon Joe]

Blatantly unconstitutional. 

[Blackwater 53393]

If this were to pass, it would mean that we must also require a license to vote!

 

That would throw a crimp in their operation that they might never recover from!!

 

I would be far more inclined to demand a license to vote!!

[Eyesa Horg]

Booker compared firearm ownership to driving a car, arguing that licensing saves lives. 

 

With that said, firearms training should be mandated in all schools. Similar to driver education. 

However driving is a privilege, firearm ownership is a right. There is a significant difference.

[Still hand Bill]

A license is simply allowing someone to do something that is not legal.  Since owning a firearm is a right, it can’t be licensed by definition.  

[Eyesa Horg]

Now if we only had politicians that upheld their oath!

[Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001]

I keep wondering , How long the lid is gonna stay on this pressure cooker ?

 

as they add more fuel to the fire 

 

 I hate to think of what could happen 

 

  

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

Well, you pretty much need a federal license to own a machine gun!! Regardless of what you CALL the process!

Most everyone is ok with THAT!

[Blackwater 53393]

16 hours ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

Well, you pretty much need a federal license to own a machine gun!! Regardless of what you CALL the process!

Most everyone is ok with THAT!

Actually, very few of US  are “ok with that”, but we fight the fights that are most winnable now and go after the rest as we can!!

 

We didn’t lose the pieces of our 2A rights in one chunk and it’s not possible to get all those pieces back in one chunk either!

 

The anti-gun mob is screaming now that we have begun using their tactics to our own advantage. “Death by a thousand cuts” works both ways and our incremental successes are really starting to take their toll on the opposition!!

 

Don’t quit and remain ever

vigilant!! 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Blackwater 53393

[Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001]

well as FFA'34 , NFA"38 , GCA'68 , all fly in the face of the 2A 

 

it all needs to be in the trash heap of history 

 

along with all the other infringements 

 

   Chickasaw Bill 

[Still hand Bill]

9 hours ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

Well, you pretty much need a federal license to own a machine gun!! Regardless of what you CALL the process!

Most everyone is ok with THAT!

It’s not a license as that would be unconstitutional.  It is simply a record of tax payment.   And no, it should not be legal, but it is as per the Supreme Court in 1938?   If the Hughes amendment was removed you would see the flood gates open up on machine guns.  At this point the only reason they are not common is the number in civilian use was capped at about 180,000 in 1986.   Sot’s have several million in circulation.  

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

7 hours ago, Still hand Bill said:

It’s not a license as that would be unconstitutional.  It is simply a record of tax payment.   And no, it should not be legal, but it is as per the Supreme Court in 1938?   If the Hughes amendment was removed you would see the flood gates open up on machine guns.  At this point the only reason they are not common is the number in civilian use was capped at about 180,000 in 1986.   Sot’s have several million in circulation.  

Exactly! And no politician is gonna vote for easily available & affordable machine guns for the general public!!

[Still hand Bill]

2 hours ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

Exactly! And no politician is gonna vote for easily available & affordable machine guns for the general public!!

I really wonder how the whole FRT thing is going to work out.  Thousands of those are getting made for lots of different guns.  While not a machine gun in definition, the reality is they are in use.  The Taurus TX22 is selling great as it can be fitted with a frt for a fun little 22.  
 

I hope it forces the feds to open the registry, but I don’t think it will happen.  Too much risk politically and many rich people want to keep the registry closed.  

[John Kloehr]

3 hours ago, Still hand Bill said:

I really wonder how the whole FRT thing is going to work out.  Thousands of those are getting made for lots of different guns.  While not a machine gun in definition, the reality is they are in use.

Not by legal definition (though many agree they are machine guns in practice), and anyone that has one needs to track this, both at the federal and state level. I think Maryland has banned them, with Oregon and Maine legislation in-process. Here is a link to the Maryland legislation:

 

https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1691958

 

I do not know if these state-level bans apply to any and all devices or just Glock switches. At the Federal level, not sure the legislature would try for a ban on possession or a tax coupled with a ban on new manufacture. Viramontes -- if it gets cert -- may also shed some light on what can and cannot be banned under the 2nd.

[John Kloehr]

From the article, and the topic of this thread:

 

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There is no Founding-era tradition of requiring Americans to seek federal permission, let alone repeated permission, to exercise a constitutional right.

 

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Yes and no. There is a founding era tradition of turning out when called for training or service in the militia. Under that tradition, the people did not need permission from the government or training to own a firearm, they were instead expected to show up for training with a firearm. Not permission, but expectation.

 

Applying this tradition today, this would include all law-abiding citizens (men and women) taking part periodically between the ages of 18 and maybe 45. This would of course require everyone to own a suitable long gun.