Who does a TG represent?

[Possum Skinner, SASS#60697]

Does a TG represent the shooters from the club that elected/selected them?  Or should a TG represent their club members?  At least at our club only active members can vote to elect a TG, so I feel like that is who the TG should represent.  Or is that something that each club should decide for themselves?

[Texas Maverick]

I would say that would be up to your club the TG represents. Our TG is over 2 clubs and we sent out emails to all members asking them to participate in the survey of the 3 issues.

 

TM

[John Kloehr]

34 minutes ago, Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 said:

Does a TG represent the shooters from the club that elected/selected them?  Or should a TG represent their club members?  At least at our club only active members can vote to elect a TG, so I feel like that is who the TG should represent.  Or is that something that each club should decide for themselves?

Interesting question. I only learned this year that while only citizens can elect a representative to the House, they are apportioned by the number of residents in the district. That said, I see three things I would expect from a TG:

• Represent those who elected him/her
• Consider input from any others who shoot at the club(s) they represent, even if only occasionally present
• Consider the good of the sport

Edited November 27, 2025 by John Kloehr

[Sedalia Dave]

The TG represents the SASS members in good standing of the club(s) he/she is chosen to represent.

 

SASS Members not in good standing should't have a vote.

Edited November 29, 2025 by Sedalia Dave

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

30 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

The TG represents the SASS members in good standing of the club(s) he/she is chosen to represent.

 

Members not in good standing should't have a vote.

Exactly.

The TG represents the CLUB/ Club members wishes; NOT just any random person they happen to come into contact with.

 

And when picking a TG; you want to ensure they understand the philosophy of your club and club ideology - so their "judgement" calls and votes are in line with how your club would have directed them to vote if they had been asked.

 

[Sedalia Dave]

1 hour ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

Exactly.

The TG represents the CLUB/ Club members wishes; NOT just any random person they happen to come into contact with.

 

And when picking a TG; you want to ensure they understand the philosophy of your club and club ideology - so their "judgement" calls and votes are in line with how your club would have directed them to vote if they had been asked.

 

 

The point I was making is that club members that are not also SASS members do not get a vote.

 

Only club members that are also SASS members in good standing should have a vote

[John Kloehr]

11 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

The point I was making is that club members that are not also SASS members do not get a vote.

 

Only club members that are also SASS members in good standing should have a vote

Just for the info, I am a SASS member in good standing. I do not know if the club I shoot at has dues and membership or not. Never been asked to pay separately except for the entry fee, not aware of a discount for membership, not aware of a benefit for membership. There might be, I have just never been asked or informed. I can only say I have been welcomed when I do show and I do stay to help tear down afterwards.

 

Still I am a SASS member in good standing and think that should come with some degree of representation by some TG. I have been averaging one shoot a year, so recognize my input is very limited in value. On the questions presented, my input is essentially no objection either way and withholding further input unless asked for it.

 

I do have a bit more input I could offer on one of the questions, it may or may not have value.

 

 

[Sedalia Dave]

1 hour ago, John Kloehr said:

Just for the info, I am a SASS member in good standing. I do not know if the club I shoot at has dues and membership or not. Never been asked to pay separately except for the entry fee, not aware of a discount for membership, not aware of a benefit for membership. There might be, I have just never been asked or informed. I can only say I have been welcomed when I do show and I do stay to help tear down afterwards.

 

Still I am a SASS member in good standing and think that should come with some degree of representation by some TG. I have been averaging one shoot a year, so recognize my input is very limited in value. On the questions presented, my input is essentially no objection either way and withholding further input unless asked for it.

 

I do have a bit more input I could offer on one of the questions, it may or may not have value.

 

 

 

And as a SASS member in good standing pick 1 club and give them your vote. 

[John Kloehr]

17 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

And as a SASS member in good standing pick 1 club and give them your vote. 

 

I provided my limited input on the local club forum, will not be at the shoot where this will be discussed in person. Too cold for my fingers.

[Jackalope]

4 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

I do not know if the club I shoot at has dues and membership or not. Never been asked to pay separately except for the entry fee, not aware of a discount for membership, not aware of a benefit for membership. There might be, I have just never been asked or informed.

 

The Oak Ridge Outlaws membership is defined in the club's by-laws found at https://oakridgeoutlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Oak-Ridge-Outlaw-Bylaws-July-2023.pdf

 

Perhaps this wasn't clearly explained at either of the two matches you've attended.

 

Regards,

Jackalope

Oak Ridge Outlaws Match Director

Oak Ridge Outlaws Territorial Governor

[John Kloehr]

11 hours ago, Jackalope said:

 

The Oak Ridge Outlaws membership is defined in the club's by-laws found at https://oakridgeoutlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Oak-Ridge-Outlaw-Bylaws-July-2023.pdf

 

Perhaps this wasn't clearly explained at either of the two matches you've attended.

 

Regards,

Jackalope

Oak Ridge Outlaws Match Director

Oak Ridge Outlaws Territorial Governor

No, it was not explained but no biggie. And I'm sure I am up to maybe four matches now (but not in the same year), plus RO1. This over 5 years with a couple additional shoots at another club. As I read those rules, I would need to join the host range and shoot with the club 4 times each year. I shoot in at least 7 different sports so this might not happen.

 

I can understand me not having much if any voice in the local club, I do stand by my opinion (in two separate posts written above) as to a TG (overall sport) standpoint based on my SASS membership.

Edited November 29, 2025 by John Kloehr

[John Kloehr]

14 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

And as a SASS member in good standing pick 1 club and give them your vote. 

See above.

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

I am TG for the Wartrace Regulators and I vote my Club’s wishes. I appreciate input from everyone who shoots with us but if it comes down to between just our Club members and everyone who has given me input I’ll vote the Club’s wishes. 
 

Randy

[Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667]

In one sense my club doesn’t have members.  The SASS-affiliated club is the “host” club that has hundreds of members, only a few of whom shoot cowboy.  Our matches are open to non-members of the host club, with no difference in entry fee.

 

If you are a semi regular attendee of our matches, I consider your input on the rules.  Most of the people who give input on the rules are SASS members.  Some may not be.

[Nutmeg Ryder, SASS # 74966]

I am the TG for the only affiliated club in my state. 

There are people who shoot at my club on a regular basis, that are not members of the cowboy club, but are SASS members. 

 

When the current (and last votes) came up I sent an email to the club members looking for their vote, I note how each has voted add my own vote and that is how "we" vote.  

As here in New England states and clubs are in close proximity, I did put in my email that if they are members of another club, only vote once, either with my club, or the other.  I also welcomed others who are not my cowboy club members to vote with us, if they had not been contacted by their TG.  

 

I feel every SASS member in good standing should have a say, but some do not "belong" to a specific club.  

 

 

[Boggus Deal #64218]

Actually…, Not a single soul. TGs, club members, sass members in good standing can vote any way they want and sass will make any rule they choose.

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

And all of this is exactly why the current TG model is outdated.

 

If a shooter is a member of four clubs - with four different TG's; that individual  shooter may influence 4x the votes of a single club member.

 

If a TG is soliciting and taking input from non SASS member shooters - their input is possibly negating the input of members in good standing.

 

The TG of a 10 member club has an equal vote to a TG of a 100 member club - effectively giving the 10 members the same amount of input as the 100.

 

The TG/ SASS members/ rules creation/ ratification system needs an overhaul and needs to be brought into the present.

 

We have TG's - we have a rules committee and we have Misty.

 

I would propose a system somewhat reflective of our own system of government.

 

The TG's with the input/ suggestions of SASS members in good standing may craft new rules or rules changes.

 

While TG's/ SASS members may consider or suggest as many items as they wish - These rules/ rules changes that will move forward for member consideration will be limited to a maximum of 10 proposals annually.  (TG's would be in effect a limited Congress).

 

After these x number of proposals have been crafted - they are forwarded to the rules committee for review to ensure they can be fairly implemented and would not create issues of contradictory instructions with existing rules/ rulings.

(The rules committee becomes the supreme Court - they cannot create rules, they can only clarify existing rules or deem a rule unenforceable).

 

After that - the rule/ change is presented to the SASS membership as a whole by a combination of Wire Posting, Emails and/ or inclusion in an annual mailing; SASS members may respond including their SASS number to cast their vote.

(The members in good standing become the electorate).

 

After that - the approved proposals are forwarded to Misty for signature or veto.  As Misty owns the whole shooting match - she is elevated above President and her veto cannot be over ruled.  But she is somewhat limited by the only (rule) items she is acting upon are the documented,  reviewed and member approved proposals forwarded to her.

 

The entire process becomes much more transparent.

 

The TG's retain their primary purpose of looking for ways to improve our game.  And open channels of communication are established with the TG's to solicit suggestions and input from membership.

 

The rules committee has their mission and responsibilities clarified.

 

The SASS membership feels their opinions and input are better represented thru direct vote.

 

And ultimately, IF everything goes off the rails - Misty can, take the steps to correct our course.  And knowing Misty's past willingness to step up and explain decisions - I think everyone would feel ok if she felt the need to veto a proposal.

Edited December 6, 2025 by Creeker, SASS #43022