Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 12 Posted October 12 So I have a naive question about moving to another country. If someone is being put in a possession of having to move to Kalifornia. And is already a gun guy with a large collection of firearms & Ammunition along with Reloading supplies & equipment. What does one have to do ? And what about things you already own that , Kalifornia does not consider compliant ? Thank you . Rooster 1 Quote
Doc Shapiro Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) Technically, you are to sell them or not bring them into the state as the state requires you to register all guns brought in, and they have to be on the compliant list. Practically, that's up to the individual. Don't move to CA. I made that mistake once. I am no longer there. Edited October 12 by Doc Shapiro 4 4 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Simple, stay out of Commiefornia! 2 2 Quote
Subdeacon Joe Posted October 12 Posted October 12 https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991 If you have EBRs, buy kits to make them "featureless" and convert them over before they bring them in. 2 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted October 12 Posted October 12 The ammunition purchase law is still in effect as the 9th has not yet issued its mandate, returned the case to district court for closure, etc. For the time being, you still can not bring your ammunition into that state. Visitors can bring amunition for personal use, residents can not; must purchase with the background check. I have not seen any grace period in the law when moving there. The best thing might be to also get a place in Nevada (2nd home) and keep the non-compliant stuff there. Nevada does (I think) still have a bump stock ban and restrictions on home made firearms (ghost guns). 1 Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 I dont have move to Kalifornia and NEVER EVER intended too. But Son and Daughter-in-Law with the two Grandsons are talking about moving their home to Kalifornia, Because that is where she is from and the grandkids dont know any of that side of the family. She come here with our son 20 years ago , And now the boys are 12&9 years old . And she is saying it's not fair for her family to not to know the kids. So Grandma asked me about us moving their too . And I said I dont think it would be possible for me to Leave The Free Life I have lived my whole life in America . So im looking for Ammo for this battle that will be coming . 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: I dont have move to Kalifornia and NEVER EVER intended too. But Son and Daughter-in-Law with the two Grandsons are talking about moving their home to Kalifornia, Because that is where she is from and the grandkids dont know any of that side of the family. She come here with our son 20 years ago , And now the boys are 12&9 years old . And she is saying it's not fair for her family to not to know the kids. So Grandma asked me about us moving their too . And I said I dont think it would be possible for me to Leave The Free Life I have lived my whole life in America . So im looking for Ammo for this battle that will be coming . Just wait until they see what the cost of living is now in Commiefornia! 2 Quote
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Is there any kind of reason the folks in Cali can’t come here and visit? There are airports and interstates. We travel to visit grandkids in and out of state. Just MHO but if one of our sons wanted to uproot his family (pull kids away from their friends & school, new jobs, buying a house, etc) for that reason and that reason alone, I would advise him against it. 4 3 Quote
John Kloehr Posted October 13 Posted October 13 5 minutes ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said: Is there any kind of reason the folks in Cali can’t come here and visit? There are airports and interstates. We travel to visit grandkids in and out of state. Just MHO but if one of our sons wanted to uproot his family (pull kids away from their friends & school, new jobs, buying a house, etc) for that reason and that reason alone, I would advise him against it. Paying for a trip a year would probably cost less than moving. Plus in reality, you will not end up seeing the family much more often if you move there. Call me a cynic, but think this through. By the second or third trip on your nickel, they will likely prefer a motel to staying at your house anyway. 1 1 Quote
Rip Snorter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Nothing on this earth could get me to move to the PRC. I visited quite a few times when it was a wonderful place, mostly business. Enjoyed every visit. Now. I can't think of a sufficient reason to ever revisit. Family pressures, IMHO, a particularly difficult thing. Different branches, different Everything is possible. You are more likely to miss freedoms and shooting buddies on a move than family with different orientation. BTDT. Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas is about all that remains. PS, with kids & schools there and other family views, potential conversion loss of kids very scary. Best of luck with your decision. 1 Quote
Pb Mark Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Simple. Son divorces wife. Takes possession of the kids on grounds spouse is insane. Son buys X-spouse bus ticket to San Francisco. Problem solved. 3 Quote
Pat Riot Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Moving into CA with guns one is required by the State Dept of Justice (DOJ) to register ALL guns within 60 days on form 4010A. It will cost $19. Handguns DO NOT need to be approved on Roster guns. Anythibg they consider an ASSAULT RIFLE is not allowed, BUT if you do as Joe said and make it California compliant you can bring an AR-15 into the state. Here are the web pages you need to have your family members look at and refer to. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991 One must fill out these forms. If you have more than 2 guns just use more forms. The fee is $19 for the submission of all forms, not $19 per form. https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/ab991frm.pdf This link has contact phone numbers for the DOJ Bureau of Firearms https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/contact Calling them with questions usually results in a call back within 24 hours if you couldn’t speak to an agent when you call. They won’t trace your whereabouts and hunt you down if you call. That’s an old wive’s tale told by people that actually don’t know crap about California laws… like many answers above. When I moved back to California in 2018 I had several handguns that weren’t on the roster. It was no big deal at except I lied and told them I had purchased 10 round mags for my off roster Glocks. I had a stripped AR lower that they wanted me to assemble into a firearm, take photos then they would approve or disapprove it. I thought it was hilarious that CA wanted me to build an AR-15 then register it. Freakin hilarious. Even the agents thought it was silly. Compliant ARs have no pistol grip, no flash hider, no bayonet lug and a couple things I can’t remember. This was the photo I sent the DOJ and they approved my AR-15. I thought it looked like a ray gun so I had rent Cerakoted to look like this. I gave it to my son-in-law when we left CA. YES you can even give or sell your compliant AR-15s to people if you wish. Believe it or not that goofy stock is actually really nice to shoot with especially from a prone or bench shooting position. It’s also nice when shooting off-hand. It just looks ridiculous. You’ll have to use 10 round mags though, which are nice for bench and prone shooting as well. DO NOT GET CAUGHT WITH “”ASSAULT WEAPON” MAGS LARGER THAN 10 ROUNDS IN CAPACITY. Each one is a felony. Have a nice day 4 Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 5 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Moving into CA with guns one is required by the State Dept of Justice (DOJ) to register ALL guns within 60 days on form 4010A. It will cost $19. Handguns DO NOT need to be approved on Roster guns. Anythibg they consider an ASSAULT RIFLE is not allowed, BUT if you do as Joe said and make it California compliant you can bring an AR-15 into the state. Here are the web pages you need to have your family members look at and refer to. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991 One must fill out these forms. If you have more than 2 guns just use more forms. The fee is $19 for the submission of all forms, not $19 per form. https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/ab991frm.pdf This link has contact phone numbers for the DOJ Bureau of Firearms https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/contact Calling them with questions usually results in a call back within 24 hours if you couldn’t speak to an agent when you call. They won’t trace your whereabouts and hunt you down if you call. That’s an old wive’s tale told by people that actually don’t know crap about California laws… like many answers above. When I moved back to California in 2018 I had several handguns that weren’t on the roster. It was no big deal at except I lied and told them I had purchased 10 round mags for my off roster Glocks. I had a stripped AR lower that they wanted me to assemble into a firearm, take photos then they would approve or disapprove it. I thought it was hilarious that CA wanted me to build an AR-15 then register it. Freakin hilarious. Even the agents thought it was silly. Compliant ARs have no pistol grip, no flash hider, no bayonet lug and a couple things I can’t remember. This was the photo I sent the DOJ and they approved my AR-15. I thought it looked like a ray gun so I had rent Cerakoted to look like this. I gave it to my son-in-law when we left CA. YES you can even give or sell your compliant AR-15s to people if you wish. Believe it or not that goofy stock is actually really nice to shoot with especially from a prone or bench shooting position. It’s also nice when shooting off-hand. It just looks ridiculous. You’ll have to use 10 round mags though, which are nice for bench and prone shooting as well. DO NOT GET CAUGHT WITH “”ASSAULT WEAPON” MAGS LARGER THAN 10 ROUNDS IN CAPACITY. Each one is a felony. Have a nice day I remember when you moved to that country. I was one of them telling you No dont do it ! And why would you move to a is communist country ? But now I kinda understand. My two Grandsons are my two best friends I have ever had in my lifetime. But on the other hand they are not of the age of chasing girls yet. There is coming a time that they are not going to have time for Poppa ! Then Im stuck any foreign country that I hate . Rooster Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) I'm not more than few hours from most of California and I have a very large, very secure storage space. There's room for a dozen large gun safes. Bring you guns over here and I'll take care of them for the price of a good lunch whenever you come to visit. Check to see if I'll be home before you come so we won't be at cross purposes. Or.........there's a very nice home for sale a couple of blocks away and I can always make room for a new neighbor. JFWIW, this offer is as serious as a heart attack. Edited October 13 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 2 1 Quote
Pat Riot Posted October 13 Posted October 13 6 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Is that a Thordson stock? Or Davidson? Thordson. I don’t recall what generation stock it was. Quote
Pat Riot Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: I remember when you moved to that country. I was one of them telling you No dont do it ! And why would you move to a is communist country ? We moved there so my wife could be closer to our grandson. We usually only saw him 2-4 weeks a year. We were there 3 1/2 years and we got to be around him, our daughter and son-in-law a lot before leaving CA again. Our grandson was in the high school stage and marching bands as was my wife when she was in high school. She was a band volunteer and got to be the band “Nana” and she enjoyed every moment of it. Well worth the cost and hassle of living in California for 3.5 years. For me it was torture, but not for my wife. Well, year round riding my motorcycle was a plus… Edit: Why is it you see your grammatical errors as you hit the send button but not before? Edited October 13 by Pat Riot 3 Quote
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 well now ; I can NOT foresee any reason to go to Calif . again BTDT , , now I hide out in the backwoods , deep in the hallows of the Ozarks Chickasaw Bill 2 Quote
Subdeacon Joe Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: Thordson. I don’t recall what generation stock it was. Thanks. I thought that was it. Pretty sure that's a Generation 1 stock. For right now, Thordson is closed. The owner retired and is restructuring to be a smaller operation. I went to the site a few days ago and saw the notice that it was closed. 1 Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 I appreciate all the response. My wife thinks I crazy for saying Hell No ! Im trying to convince them not to go . My Son dont want too . But his wife dont see what we see . She was born and raised in that country. So all the weirdos in LA seems normal to her ! Im like look at what you have here. Your Not going to have this in Kalifornia. They have a two story house with a garage , On a double corner lot , With a fenced in yard and a 500.00 a month house payment. I helped them buy a house just before the Scamdemic and prices and interest rates was great at that time ! Thay wont get that in Kalifornia ! 1 Quote
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 minute ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: 500.00 a month house payment Not sure you can get a parking spot in the LA area for that.... 3 Quote
Pat Riot Posted October 13 Posted October 13 11 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: I appreciate all the response. My wife thinks I crazy for saying Hell No ! Im trying to convince them not to go . My Son dont want too . But his wife dont see what we see . She was born and raised in that country. So all the weirdos in LA seems normal to her ! Im like look at what you have here. Your Not going to have this in Kalifornia. They have a two story house with a garage , On a double corner lot , With a fenced in yard and a 500.00 a month house payment. I helped them buy a house just before the Scamdemic and prices and interest rates was great at that time ! Thay wont get that in Kalifornia ! Trust me when I say the whackos are not in the majority. Though Conservatives are a minority, but a large minority, especially outside of LA, Marin, San Francisco and Santa Clara counties. The problem is those counties are the most populated. A house like the one you describe would cost $4000-$5000 per month depending on which city it’s in. A beach city would be more money, lots more. Food is nearly double the price. Gasoline is double the price. Heck, many things are double the price since Covid. The taxes and fees on cars, cell phones and utilities are atrocious. It is very expensive to live there. My wife and I had a combined salary of about $150k per year. Hear we live on a little over half of that yet have the same quality of life…a better quality of life. No traffic stress. No “people everywhere” stress. No police helicopters overhead 24/7 No constant droning of traffic noise from the freeways. I couldn’t and wouldn’t ever live there again. 3 Quote
John Kloehr Posted October 13 Posted October 13 30 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: But his wife dont see what we see . She was born and raised in that country. My family moved to California when I was 10, a little Central Valley town. That has now grown to have 10 times the population. By the age of 20, I was in Silicon Valley at an early stage of what would be a long tech career. When driving from San Jose to Campbell to Los Gatos to Saratoga to Santa Clara to Palo Alto, and all the other towns, there were orchards between them all. I think San Jose had 200,000 people at that time. When I left, San Jose has over a million people. There were no more orchards, every single town and city is grown right up against the border of its neighbors. When driving from Silicon Valley to the Central Valley today, it is all completely built up from San Jose thorough Milpitas and Oakland, and Fremont, through Livermore and over the hill to Tracy, Stockton, Sacramento, and then up into the Sierra Foothills and the Roseville/Rocklin area. My point is depending on when your son's wife left California, the California she left no longer exists. I left about 10 years ago. Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 52 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Trust me when I say the whackos are not in the majority. Though Conservatives are a minority, but a large minority, especially outside of LA, Marin, San Francisco and Santa Clara counties. The problem is those counties are the most populated. A house like the one you describe would cost $4000-$5000 per month depending on which city it’s in. A beach city would be more money, lots more. Food is nearly double the price. Gasoline is double the price. Heck, many things are double the price since Covid. The taxes and fees on cars, cell phones and utilities are atrocious. It is very expensive to live there. My wife and I had a combined salary of about $150k per year. Hear we live on a little over half of that yet have the same quality of life…a better quality of life. No traffic stress. No “people everywhere” stress. No police helicopters overhead 24/7 No constant droning of traffic noise from the freeways. I couldn’t and wouldn’t ever live there again. 21 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: My family moved to California when I was 10, a little Central Valley town. That has now grown to have 10 times the population. By the age of 20, I was in Silicon Valley at an early stage of what would be a long tech career. When driving from San Jose to Campbell to Los Gatos to Saratoga to Santa Clara to Palo Alto, and all the other towns, there were orchards between them all. I think San Jose had 200,000 people at that time. When I left, San Jose has over a million people. There were no more orchards, every single town and city is grown right up against the border of its neighbors. When driving from Silicon Valley to the Central Valley today, it is all completely built up from San Jose thorough Milpitas and Oakland, and Fremont, through Livermore and over the hill to Tracy, Stockton, Sacramento, and then up into the Sierra Foothills and the Roseville/Rocklin area. My point is depending on when your son's wife left California, the California she left no longer exists. I left about 10 years ago. How in the heck can someone pay 4k or 5k a moth for rent ? I couldn't afford that myself ! She left from Kalifornia about 20 years ago now . She has flown back to visit a couple times . I think right now it's mostly her sister is getting divorced and she moved back home . So now she wants to go back home . Of corse that's my opinion. My Son is saying No . But they are starting to fight about it . She keeps saying it's not fair. I have been hear for 20 years . Why can't we move there before the kids are grown and leave home . I understand her wanting to go home . There is no place like home. But I keep telling her that this is now home . 1 Quote
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 depending on the area, and how far you are form a major city, that rent can come down. Cheaper to buy usually, but coming from outside CA means the house you are selling to move here isnt gonna give you enough to outright buy a house here, hopefully you can get enough for a good down payment. Hop onto Zillow to check out home prices near where you are talking about for a good look at prices. You can get almost affordable stuff if you dont mind fix-er-ups in bad areas, or living far from a big city, but not so far that you are in the "luxury" zone where costs go up again. save the move and send the kids to their relatives here during the summer. 1 Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 33 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: IMHO a very risky move relationship wise. I dont understand your comment? Quote
Rip Snorter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: I dont understand your comment? When a couple is at cross purposes, it takes a lot to make it work. Sometimes it does, sometime it breaks. 1 Quote
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I can not move to a place where I would become an instant felon just for going there. Is California worse than Massachusetts? In some ways, it is. In some ways, it is not. On balance, they are about the same, just varying on some of the specifics. At least in California you can buy a Remington 1100. 1 Quote
Pb Mark Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) Maybe son, put your man-pants on and just tell her no, nicely, but no. Do not know her age, but could it be menopause? Send her to the Doc for some Zoloft if so. Yes, I lived in the Calif San Fernando Valley. Twice. As kid, then after college for Lockheed. Really hope you do not go bankrupt by moving there. Then what? My comments have NOTHING to do with firearms. Just a happy, safe future life in the future. You have no clue what getting yourself into. It is one thing to be long term established there, own a house that you make a million dollars on when you sell it and move. Being used to the land of nuts and fruits. Speak some Spanish. Swallow the prices, taxes, regulations, crime, lack of self-defense laws, do not mind getting burglarized every time you leave your home for a few days during the holidays, etc. There are beaches, things to do etc., but doubt your son has a chance living in a situation that allows for the positives that do exist there. Study and think hard, about all I can say. If your son is able to afford it, enjoy the new lifestyle. If not, welcome to Hell. Edited October 14 by Pb Mark correction and additions 1 Quote
watab kid Posted October 14 Posted October 14 so bottom line is dont move there , here might be better we accept guns and tax you just like califonia and we have voting laws that will negate that as well , so welcome to the north coast - west coast idiocy , but you have to live in george floyde area of the state and they like to burn you out Quote
Pat Riot Posted October 14 Posted October 14 9 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: How in the heck can someone pay 4k or 5k a moth for rent ? I couldn't afford that myself ! She left from Kalifornia about 20 years ago now . She has flown back to visit a couple times . I think right now it's mostly her sister is getting divorced and she moved back home . So now she wants to go back home . Of corse that's my opinion. My Son is saying No . But they are starting to fight about it . She keeps saying it's not fair. I have been hear for 20 years . Why can't we move there before the kids are grown and leave home . I understand her wanting to go home . There is no place like home. But I keep telling her that this is now home . Often people remain blind until someone opens their eyes. Especially when they visit someplace and don’t have to pay for anything because they are visiting and staying with family. Perhaps she needs to go visit, but rent a hotel room, eat at restaurants, rent a car and pay for gas. Then she needs to go look at real estate, both rentals and homes for sale. Maybe if she saw the money flowing from between her fingers she might not have this snow globe view of what things will be like living there. But in the end it is their lives to do with as they see fit. Trying to hold her back will only make her bitter. Let her see for herself what an expensive sh**hole CA has become. She has memories from 20 years ago there, right? Have her go and see what it’s like now. It’ll be a shocker after the sunshine glitter wears off. 2 1 Quote
watab kid Posted October 14 Posted October 14 i agree we have relatives there , you get use to what you know , i am now - grandkids anchor us here - 30+ years ago i would have left - but then i got married , so now over 40+ years here and ready to leave , yet - i love my wife no matter what and if she needs to see my grandkids graduate i can die here Quote
Sedalia Dave Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Often people remain blind until someone opens their eyes. Especially when they visit someplace and don’t have to pay for anything because they are visiting and staying with family. Perhaps she needs to go visit, but rent a hotel room, eat at restaurants, rent a car and pay for gas. Then she needs to go look at real estate, both rentals and homes for sale. Maybe if she saw the money flowing from between her fingers she might not have this snow globe view of what things will be like living there. But in the end it is their lives to do with as they see fit. Trying to hold her back will only make her bitter. Let her see for herself what an expensive sh**hole CA has become. She has memories from 20 years ago there, right? Have her go and see what it’s like now. It’ll be a shocker after the sunshine glitter wears off. They need to sit down and do a comparison budget. First list the budget they currently live on. Make sure it is very detailed. Now starting with where they are planning on living you match the expenses. Best to start with the cost of housing, both renting and buying. Don't forget the taxes and insurance and for a mortgage, what the payment will be with the current interest rates. Then the cost of groceries. Easy to do because most chain grocery stores allow you to shop online. Just take the receipt for the last two trips to the store and buy the exact same items from a store near where they expect to live. Next utilities. Harder to do but this is where family can be of some help. Now transportation. Besides the obvious cost of gasoline, The cost of insurance and registration needs to be factored in. The PRoK has restrictions on autos being brought into the state that are not already CA compliant. The DMV website has the criteria. Don't forget to factor in the cost of commuting including the hidden cost of the extra time spent going to and from work every day. When I was stationed there I had friends that spent 3 to 4 hours every day just getting to and from work. Meant that they were away from home 12 plus hours 5 days a week working an 8 to 5 job. Now figure in PRoK income taxes. Now that the costs are known, will the available jobs in the PRoK provide enough income to cover those costs? I went through something similar with my late wife. I was working in Ridgecrest (the High Desert) and was offered a job in Santa Barbara. With the pay I was offered, I would have had a 2 hour commute each way to live in a house we could barely afford that was 1/2 the size of our current house. When the wife saw that we would go from living comfortably back to living paycheck to paycheck and that I would be gone 12 plus hours every day, she finally saw the light and agreed that we couldn't afford to take the job even with better pay. Edited October 14 by Sedalia Dave 2 1 Quote
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