Charlie Kirk dead

[Rye Miles #13621]

They’ve recovered the weapon, it’s a bolt action and they’re not saying what caliber. 

[Horsehide Henry]

A report this morning says it was a .30-caliber bullet. They have the gun – found in the woods wrapped in a towel with the spent casing still in it. It said the ammo had pro-transgender and anti-fascist markings on it.

 

The shooter is presumed to be college-age and likely blended into the chaotic crowd in the aftermath. Hopefully they get him soon.

[Dantankerous]

16 minutes ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

 

Yes. He was able to do this because conservative viewpoints stand up to debate. He encouraged his supporters to allow the other side to ask questions or make their statements if his supporters got a little rambunctious. The left can only hold similar events without allowing conservatives to speak. They run off conservatives. They will claim to be open to hearing from the other side but they can't.  Leftist ideas do not withstand open debate and they hated Kirk for demonstrating this over and over. 

 

Exactly. 100%. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

18 minutes ago, Horsehide Henry said:

A report this morning says it was a .30-caliber bullet. They have the gun – found in the woods wrapped in a towel with the spent casing still in it. It said the ammo had pro-transgender and anti-fascist markings on it.

 

The shooter is presumed to be college-age and likely blended into the chaotic crowd in the aftermath. Hopefully they get him soon.

Just heard that now on Fox.

Insane 😡

[Widder, SASS #59054]

DDD,

I agree with you about watching that video.   I only watched it because a friend sent it to me

and only said the video showed him getting shot in the neck.    Once was one to many times.

 

Truly heartbreaking.

 

..........Widder

 

 

[PowderRiverCowboy]

35 minutes ago, Horsehide Henry said:

A report this morning says it was a .30-caliber bullet. They have the gun – found in the woods wrapped in a towel with the spent casing still in it. It said the ammo had pro-transgender and anti-fascist markings on it.

 

The shooter is presumed to be college-age and likely blended into the chaotic crowd in the aftermath. Hopefully they get him soon.

I want to know who allowed shooter access to rooftop ? A University should not have open rooftop access.

[PowderRiverCowboy]

12 hours ago, Dr. Zook said:

"speculation" - another reported it as an M4 type 70 meters out (76.5 yrds or 230ft roughly). but they do have cordon tape up on a rooftop that was being shown by a drone pilot.

 

A rifle recovered in the hunt for conservative influencer Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforcement sources.

The weapon — an imported .30-06-caliber Mauser bolt-action rifle — was discovered wrapped in a towel by investigators in a wooded area following the killing of the conservative firebrand, who was shot once while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday, according to the memo.

 

As always take anything from NYpost with a few grains of salt

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

[Subdeacon Joe]

I would say take with a grain of salt.  While I trust the NY POST slightly more than the NY TIMES, the POST isn't always the most accurate source.  

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

 

 

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A rifle recovered in the hunt for conservative influencer Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforcement sources.

The weapon — an imported .30-06-caliber Mauser bolt-action rifle — was discovered wrapped in a towel by investigators in a wooded area 

 

 

Anyone find it odd that even though he wrote for various publications, ran a podcast, etc. Big Corporate Press isn't calling him a journalist?  

[John Kloehr]

 

[John Kloehr]

Wall Street Journal (paywalled) is reporting the ammo information.

 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

 

The other sources reporting it are questionable IMO, yet WSJ tends to not report rumors.

[Horsehide Henry]

10 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Anyone find it odd that even though he wrote for various publications, ran a podcast, etc. Big Corporate Press isn't calling him a journalist?  

Well, he wasn't a journalist, anymore than the women on "The View" are or the Hollywood elite who pen opinion pieces and spout off on podcasts. I'm certain he didn't see himself as one and wouldn't want to have been pegged as such. He didn't cover issues from even a quasi-neutral viewpoint.

 

He was an unapologetic advocate for a particular way of life.  God rest his soul.

[Trailrider #896]

The various reports are chaotic as far as the weapon is concerned. As far as the rifle, if that is the one, being "an imported Mauser", how many million Mauser 98's of one kind or another have been imported since the end of WWII? I've seen people post on other sites that it "couldn't be a .30-06 because Mausers were either 7.9 x 57 or 7 x 57, etc. Wonder how many of these imported Mausers were converted to .30-06, .300 Win Mag, etc, etc. at some point in time? Had one rebarrelled to .30-06, then later to 6mm Remington. Easy for a gunsmith to do, or even a relatively skilled amateur. 

 

Hope they find the assassin soon, question "it" about motives, connections to others, etc.  Then proceed with a fair trial...and find a tall tree or lamp post and let 'em dangle there for awhile! 

[Rye Miles #13621]

34 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

I would say take with a grain of salt.  While I trust the NY POST slightly more than the NY TIMES, the POST isn't always the most accurate source.  

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

 

 

 

Anyone find it odd that even though he wrote for various publications, ran a podcast, etc. Big Corporate Press isn't calling him a journalist?  

He was definitely a journalist! He wrote for many publications! His Turning Point had many articles written by him! RIP Charlie 🙏🙏🙏

[Pulp, SASS#28319]

I reckon Christian is an illegal word for the “news” these days.  Political activist is OK.  First and foremost Charlie was a Christian.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

2 hours ago, PowderRiverCowboy said:

 

A rifle recovered in the hunt for conservative influencer Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforcement sources.

The weapon — an imported .30-06-caliber Mauser bolt-action rifle — was discovered wrapped in a towel by investigators in a wooded area following the killing of the conservative firebrand, who was shot once while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday, according to the memo.

 

As always take anything from NYpost with a few grains of salt

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

 

The last person speaking with Kirk at the event was engaging him on the question of transgender and gun violence.

 

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm also skeptical of coincidences.

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

I'm curious... and not accepting any speculations - yet.

 

Something seems off here.  It just doesn't seem logical that someone would go to the lengths of planning and executing this horrid event, and then just "stash" the weapon while making his getaway.  A rifle is traceable.  And it's pretty much a certainty that searches would be thorough enough to find it.  But then again, if someone's looney enough to do this in the first place and then "engrave" philosophical statements on the ammunition, well... 

 

Or could it be a "red herring...?"  

 

As an aside, I'd like to read the WSJ article, but it sez I gotta have a subscription.   

[PowderRiverCowboy]

10 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

I'm curious... and not accepting any speculations - yet.

 

Something seems off here.  It just doesn't seem logical that someone would go to the lengths of planning and executing this horrid event, and then just "stash" the weapon while making his getaway.  A rifle is traceable.  And it's pretty much a certainty that searches would be thorough enough to find it.  But then again, if someone's looney enough to do this in the first place and then "engrave" philosophical statements on the ammunition, well... 

 

Or could it be a "red herring...?"  

 

As an aside, I'd like to read the WSJ article, but it sez I gotta have a subscription.   

 

Hardly all rifles are traceable you are thinking as a law abiding citizen. I respect that but when trying to blend in kind of hard carrying a rifle .

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

28 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

I'm curious... and not accepting any speculations - yet.

 

Something seems off here.  It just doesn't seem logical that someone would go to the lengths of planning and executing this horrid event, and then just "stash" the weapon while making his getaway.  A rifle is traceable.  And it's pretty much a certainty that searches would be thorough enough to find it.  But then again, if someone's looney enough to do this in the first place and then "engrave" philosophical statements on the ammunition, well... 

 

Or could it be a "red herring...?"  

 

As an aside, I'd like to read the WSJ article, but it sez I gotta have a subscription.   

 

If you have a library card you can probably read it through your library's subscription service. 

[Dapper Dave]

I would hazard a few guesses, one being that with a properly sighted in, scoped Mauser rifle from a prone position, hitting a man-sized target at 145-200 yards is child's play. Second is that 30-06 is based off 8mm  Mauser, (some of my 8mm Mauser brass is actually converted 30-06 brass), and the conversion is simply changing the barrel, by a competent gunsmith. Third is if the markings on the rifle and ammunition are real, then it says much about the mental state of the murderer, who may have been in a state of shock after realizing that he/she/it had just murdered a man, and was not thinking clearly when trying to hide the firearm after the fact.
The supposition that this is a red herring is very interesting but suggests a level of professionalism not seen outside of the movies, for the most part. If true, it would suggest Machiavellian machinations of extremely powerful people who wanted Charlie dead.

However, basing my suppositions on the spate of trans persons committing murder, I will pay homage to Occam's Razor and suppose the assassin is a young person who "got lucky" and is now on the run, possibly hiding within he/she/its "special community" whatever that may or may not be. 

[Subdeacon Joe]

50 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

I'm curious... and not accepting any speculations - yet.

 

Something seems off here.  It just doesn't seem logical that someone would go to the lengths of planning and executing this horrid event, and then just "stash" the weapon while making his getaway.  A rifle is traceable.  And it's pretty much a certainty that searches would be thorough enough to find it.  But then again, if someone's looney enough to do this in the first place and then "engrave" philosophical statements on the ammunition, well... 

 

Or could it be a "red herring...?"  

 

As an aside, I'd like to read the WSJ article, but it sez I gotta have a subscription.   

 

Look at all the stuff that the thug who shot up the Catholic Church in Minnesota had on his gear. 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

Much wisdom, had Mr Occam.  

 

Hopefully it gets resolved, and soon... and hopefully the cretin is taken alive.  At least for the time being.

 

As far as "tracing" the rifle, well... tracing can go beyond the last person on record of "officially" owning the firearm.  Even down to trace DNA.  And the investigators will have every conceivable resource ~ likely stuff even Abby Sciuto wouldn't have dreamed of.  

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

1 minute ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Look at all the stuff that the thug who shot up the Catholic Church in Minnesota had on his gear. 

 

Yup... first thing I thought of.  Which could give some weight to the "red herring" concept.

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

And in respect...  

 

Used/Consignment Guns! View Store Locations Guns Ammo Hunting Fishing View More From the organizers of the 2nd Annual CCW LawLawPalooza:   It is with deep regret that, in light of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the safety of our attendees, we must inform you that the 2nd Annual CCW LawLawPalooza, scheduled for Saturday, September 13th, 2025, at SilverLakes in Norco, has been CANCELLED.

[Texas Maverick]

2 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said:

The various reports are chaotic as far as the weapon is concerned. As far as the rifle, if that is the one, being "an imported Mauser", how many million Mauser 98's of one kind or another have been imported since the end of WWII? I've seen people post on other sites that it "couldn't be a .30-06 because Mausers were either 7.9 x 57 or 7 x 57, etc. Wonder how many of these imported Mausers were converted to .30-06, .300 Win Mag, etc, etc. at some point in time? Had one rebarrelled to .30-06, then later to 6mm Remington. Easy for a gunsmith to do, or even a relatively skilled amateur. 

 

Hope they find the assassin soon, question "it" about motives, connections to others, etc.  Then proceed with a fair trial...and find a tall tree or lamp post and let 'em dangle there for awhile! 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

My uneducated thoughts:

Traceable:  how long will it be before one of these firearms was one of those 'Eric Holder' guns

 released to bad guys to help tract crime..... or whatever reason they were given out.

 

CARTEL:  Its not unfathomable to think this could be a Cartel induced revenge killing.

 

..........Widder

 

[John Kloehr]

 

Following up with CBS, CBS is reporting the investigators have a name:

 

From: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-turning-point-usa/

 

"

Investigators now have the name of person of interest, according to three sources, though no arrest warrant has been issued.

 

"

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

8 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

I'm curious... and not accepting any speculations - yet.

 

Something seems off here.  It just doesn't seem logical that someone would go to the lengths of planning and executing this horrid event, and then just "stash" the weapon while making his getaway.  A rifle is traceable.  And it's pretty much a certainty that searches would be thorough enough to find it.  But then again, if someone's looney enough to do this in the first place and then "engrave" philosophical statements on the ammunition, well... 

 

Or could it be a "red herring...?"  

 

As an aside, I'd like to read the WSJ article, but it sez I gotta have a subscription.   

A lot of them aren't for many reasons.

[Yul Lose]

An enhanced photo of the alleged assassin.

[Doc Shapiro]

I don't want to know his name.  I just want to know that he is in custody

 

[Trailrider #896]

48 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

A lot of them aren't for many reasons.

In the eighty years since the end of WWII, and due to the fact that there was no law requiring any kind of records on long arms, for years, there probably have been a million Mauser K-98's and similar, not to mention Czech VZ-24's that are floating around in this country with no records. If a gunsmith with an FFL rebarrelled a 7.9 x 57 to .30-06 then there might be a record, if it was recorded in his bound book. But, it all depends. Hopefully, if this #$%@#!! p.o.s. did buy it somewhere a record was kept, then it can be traced.and the perp found, arrested, tried and convicted and sentenced to death! I'm not sure, but I think Utah still has death by firing squad as an option!  

[Buckshot Bear]

2 hours ago, Doc Shapiro said:

I don't want to know his name.  I just want to know that he is in custody

 

 

I'd like to know he took two in the chest and one in the head. 

[Dapper Dave]

2 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said:

In the eighty years since the end of WWII, and due to the fact that there was no law requiring any kind of records on long arms, for years, there probably have been a million Mauser K-98's and similar, not to mention Czech VZ-24's that are floating around in this country with no records. If a gunsmith with an FFL rebarrelled a 7.9 x 57 to .30-06 then there might be a record, if it was recorded in his bound book. But, it all depends. Hopefully, if this #$%@#!! p.o.s. did buy it somewhere a record was kept, then it can be traced.and the perp found, arrested, tried and convicted and sentenced to death! I'm not sure, but I think Utah still has death by firing squad as an option!  

I wonder if it was a cheap rifle at the local pawn shop and it was all a broke college student could afford...rifle, cheap scope already mounted, and a box of ammo. IF this kid was dumb enough to buy a murder weapon at an FFL, that is, of course. 

[Boggus Deal #64218]

Probably stole it from dad’s or granddad’s gun cabinet.

[Rye Miles #13621]

6 hours ago, Yul Lose said:

An enhanced photo of the alleged assassin.

I believe that’s AI, I don’t think the FBI released this.