Original assault rifle

[Rye Miles #13621]

[Nickle]

In Canada they pretty much have black powder killed off because of storage laws.

You can't even make it yourself because that's illegal as well. When you can by it you won't get it under $70 pound.

I hope Alberta becomes independent  but so overrun by outsiders or new voters that probably won't happen. Doesn't seem right that new voters who don't own anything.  Having nothing invested in Alberta votes count more than mine. Reason is they are moving here by plane loads and Ottawa paying them t o come here. Basically replacing us with elbows up Ottawa forever types. 

If we sold everything off. Farmland costs twice as much in Eastern Montana.  Then with the exchange on the dollar we lose half again. 

Then try to get healthcare at our age. 

Looks like we are stuck here. 

[Cypress Sun]

1 hour ago, Nickle said:

In Canada they pretty much have black powder killed off because of storage laws.

You can't even make it yourself because that's illegal as well. When you can by it you won't get it under $70 pound.

I hope Alberta becomes independent  but so overrun by outsiders or new voters that probably won't happen. Doesn't seem right that new voters who don't own anything.  Having nothing invested in Alberta votes count more than mine. Reason is they are moving here by plane loads and Ottawa paying them t o come here. Basically replacing us with elbows up Ottawa forever types. 

If we sold everything off. Farmland costs twice as much in Eastern Montana.  Then with the exchange on the dollar we lose half again. 

Then try to get healthcare at our age. 

Looks like we are stuck here. 

 

That just plain out sucks.

 

[Trailrider #896]

7 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I would say the original assault rifle would have been the Ferguson. Although single shot it was a breechloader. Had Maj. Ferguson not been killed at the Battle of King's Mountain, and had the British adopted it, it could have caused problems for the American Revolution.

[Pat Riot]

Das ursprüngliche Sturmgewehr war das Sturmgewehr 44. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

45 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

Das ursprüngliche Sturmgewehr war das Sturmgewehr 44. 

Non capisco 

[Trailrider #896]

"The original assault rifle was the SG-44." ? 

[Alpo]

Yeah, it always annoys me when I see that post repeated ad nauseam that "the first assault rifle was the 1860 Henry".

 

No, the first assault rifle was the gun that was named assault rifle.

 

But since the world does not care that Mr Maxim named his invention the silencer, or that Mr Colt patented his invention as a revolving pistol, therefore Mr Maxim's invention is a silencer (not no flipping suppressor) and Mr Colt's invention is a pistol, then they won't give a damn that the Wehrmacht named herr Schmeisser's little toy a Sturmgewehr.

 

Before that there was no such thing as an assault rifle. That was what it was named, so that is the first one.

[Rye Miles #13621]

12 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Yeah, it always annoys me when I see that post repeated ad nauseam that "the first assault rifle was the 1860 Henry".

 

No, the first assault rifle was the gun that was named assault rifle.

 

But since the world does not care that Mr Maxim named his invention the silencer, or that Mr Colt patented his invention as a revolving pistol, therefore Mr Maxim's invention is a silencer (not no flipping suppressor) and Mr Colt's invention is a pistol, then they won't give a damn that the Wehrmacht named herr Schmeisser's little toy a Sturmgewehr.

 

Before that there was no such thing as an assault rifle. That was what it was named, so that is the first one.

The meme I posted is meant to make fun of the term “ assault rifle” 

Edited September 6 by Rye Miles #13621

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

5 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said:

I would say the original assault rifle would have been the Ferguson. Although single shot it was a breechloader. Had Maj. Ferguson not been killed at the Battle of King's Mountain, and had the British adopted it, it could have caused problems for the American Revolution.

 

Accepted historical wisdom, that.  

 

I actually have a repro... tons o' fun to shoot.  Although I've never been able to reach the hypothetical eight rounds per minute, it's a heck of a lot faster than a muzzle-stuffer, AND you can load it prone!  

 

 

 

 

 

[Alpo]

Something that has always puzzled me about the Ferguson.

 

When I first got into black powder I was taught that there were four grades - 1f,  2f, 3f, and 4f.

 

1f was cannon powder, and normal shooters did not mess with it.

 

2f was used for rifles and shotguns.

 

3f was used for pistols, and also for small caliber rifles - 36 and below.

 

And 4f was used for priming flintlocks.

 

So if you shot flintlocks you carried two different powders. One for charging the gun and a different one for priming the pan.

 

Then along comes to the Ferguson. You open the bolt. Drop a ball in the chamber. Pour the charge into the chamber behind the ball. Close the bolt. As the screw comes up it scrapes a little powder off the back of the charge. Then you tilt the gun and that powder you scraped off the back of the charge falls into the pan, and is the priming charge.

 

This would seem to me that either you are charging the gun with 4f, or priming the pan with 2f.

 

Both of these things, according to the teachings I was given back in the late 70s when I started shooting black, were wrong.

 

 

[Texas Joker]

I charge a front stuffer with 2f and before I pour it down the bore I tip a bit into the crease of my palm by the pinky and make a half fist catching it.

 

Ram the ball home and store the rod.

 

Scrape the powder out of my pinky crease into the pan and close the frizzen. 

 

Never had an issue touching it off. Never made sense to me that a woods runner carried 6 different tools to load his rifle and 2 kinds of powder.

[Doug E Turtle]

7 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

The meme I posted is meant to make fun of the term “ assault rifle” 

 

Could also apply it to the other term that is overused..."weapons of war".

[Rye Miles #13621]

Question: If I use my so called “Assault weapon to defend myself would it not then be called a “Defense Weapon “?

[Tom Bullweed]

They had multi-shot rifles in the 1830's called harmonica rifles and Colt's revolving rifles.  Colt had the 1855 Root revolving rifle.  These were followed by the Spencer, 1860 Henry and a host of breechloaders used in The War Between the States.

[watab kid]

On 9/6/2025 at 5:05 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:

yup - its why we have a second amendment and why we need to preserve it , its what keeps us free at home while our troops keep us free and safe from the outside , if we evergive an inch on our gun rights they will eliminate our freedom as they did try to do back then , it was real - it is real = we need to preserve our rights