California Gun Roster

[Jiminy Cricket]

I’ve been looking at getting a 1873 chambered in 44-40 to complement my 1858 bp revolvers.  This isn’t a problem.  But then, I started looking at revolvers chambered the same but I ran into an issue.  There doesn’t appear to be any handguns listed in the California Gun Roster chambered in 44-40, nor 38-40, or 32-20.  Can these be had in California without a C&R license?  

[Sedalia Dave]

18 minutes ago, Jiminy Cricket said:

I’ve been looking at getting a 1873 chambered in 44-40 to complement my 1858 bp revolvers.  This isn’t a problem.  But then, I started looking at revolvers chambered the same but I ran into an issue.  There doesn’t appear to be any handguns listed in the California Gun Roster chambered in 44-40, nor 38-40, or 32-20.  Can these be had in California without a C&R license?  

 

All single action revolvers holding at least five rounds, with a barrel at least three inches, and an overall length of at least 7 ½ inches, are exempt.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Ah, that’s good info.  Thanks for the quick response.  That should make things a bit less expensive.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

Neat alias.  I had a great nephew who looked like Jiminy Cricket when he was a baby but he outgrew it. 

 

A 44-40 revolver with BP will be a handful compared to your '58's.   There's a fair number of revolver styles available in 44-40, but none of the open-top variety.  You've got Uberti and Pietta SAA repros, Thunderer, Rem 1875/1890, Rem 1858 factory conversion, S&W Schofield and American.  Oh yeah, and Ruger though I think not currently offered?

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

12 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Oh yeah, and Ruger though I think not currently offered?

Since 2005.

[watab kid]

not gonna dump or criticize as there but for the grace go we , i never want to deal with a gun roster = i like all i have and yes many would not meet your requirements out there = but im keeping them 

[Rye Miles #13621]

Wouldn’t you just love to sit down with those jerks that make what firearms are allowed on the CA. Register? 😡

[Eyesa Horg]

Mass does the same thing, there's a list.

[Frontier Lone Rider]

In West Virginia, if you can buy it, you can have it.

 

My son moved to CA, what a shock.

[Rye Miles #13621]

20 minutes ago, Frontier Lone Rider said:

In West Virginia, if you can buy it, you can have it.

 

My son moved to CA, what a shock.

Same in Ohio! Anything you want!

[Doug E Turtle]

4 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Wouldn’t you just love to sit down with those jerks that make what firearms are allowed on the CA. Register? 😡

 

Especially since the Roster is supposed to consist of the handguns that have passed CA's various requirements to be deemed safe, yet they allow the SIG P320! 😆

 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

4 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Mass does the same thing, there's a list.

 

Yeah, but you can buy a lot of things in California that you can't buy in Massachusetts.

But, C&R's are exempt, IF you have a C&R FFL.   It is not uncommon to see guns in the stores with a note:  C&R Only.

The only way you can buy a gun not on the list, is to be able to prove not that it was made before 1998 (I think that's the date) but that it was registered in the state before that date.  If it was not registered, it can't be sold or imported if it's not on the list.  The only exceptions are if you legally bought it when you lived in another state and you move here, you can bring it with you.   But it is unclear if you can ever sell it.

C&R's are also exempt.   So you can buy a 50 year old AR-15, for example.

And if you happen to have a gun that was bought in the state before the date, but don't have the registration form, you can't sell it.  Although, there are ways to get proof.

And, there are two lists.   The approved roster of guns approved by the legislature, and that AG's list, which is supposed to exist, but really doesn't.

In other words, there is a reason why used guns are so expensive in this state.

[Seminole Sam]

I'm in Los Angeles County and even here I have not run into any problems with the types of fireams used in this.  The only possible exception would be if you did Wild Bunch and wanted to get a cheap 1911 clone.

[John Kloehr]

Or make friends with a police officer, They are exempt and can sell a gun if they decide they don't want it. As long as they bought it for themselves in the first place. So I hear.

[watab kid]

really ? that system has some very strange regs , glad im not there - i just bought one that would not comply there = second this year or is it third / cant recall , 

[Grizz Henry]

Jiminy,

 

I have a Jimmy Spurs action job 1873 in 44-40  with low round count thru it  (It was my back up  rifle to my 1860 Henry)  and a pair of old model vaqueros with Jimmy Spurs race jobs with no spin Pawls for sale . Iif you are interested you can PM me for details.

 

Grizz 

[Texas Maverick]

On 8/10/2025 at 7:01 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Wouldn’t you just love to sit down with those jerks that make what firearms are allowed on the CA. Register? 😡

No because most of them are brain dead and deaf. They would not be open to listening to anyone with any knowledge. It would be a waste of time.

 

TM

[Texas Maverick]

On 8/10/2025 at 11:32 AM, Doug E Turtle said:

 

Especially since the Roster is supposed to consist of the handguns that have passed CA's various requirements to be deemed safe, yet they allow the SIG P320! 😆

 

Hey, I like my P320's and they just sit there on the shelf all day not bothering anyone. Guess they are defects since they don't go off by them selves. I have 2, P320 XCompact and P320 M18. Neither is for sale.

 

TM

[Doug E Turtle]

52 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:

Hey, I like my P320's and they just sit there on the shelf all day not bothering anyone. Guess they are defects since they don't go off by them selves. I have 2, P320 XCompact and P320 M18. Neither is for sale.

 

TM

I'm just poking fun at the recent developments...99.99% of P320s won't have an issue!

[Texas Maverick]

41 minutes ago, Doug E Turtle said:

I'm just poking fun at the recent developments...99.99% of P320s won't have an issue!

I figured, so many comments on it that is has become comical. I just wonder how many of them have even seen a P320 much less shot or own one. I just keep telling everyone that mine are rejects cuz all they do is sit there. Can't even count on them protecting the house and going off on there own if someone breaks in. LOL

 

TM

[Badlands Bob #61228]

4 hours ago, Doug E Turtle said:

I'm just poking fun at the recent developments...99.99% of P320s won't have an issue!

I just got an email last week from my gun club.  The P320 is no longer allowed on the property.  It's not allowed on any range or during any competition on the gun club property.  There are a number of Youtube videos that attempt to explain the problem.  I don't have one so I don't have any 1st hand experience.

[Doug E Turtle]

10 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

I just got an email last week from my gun club.  The P320 is no longer allowed on the property.  It's not allowed on any range or during any competition on the gun club property.  There are a number of Youtube videos that attempt to explain the problem.  I don't have one so I don't have any 1st hand experience.

The issue right now is that there doesn't seem to be enough of a consistent pattern for SIG to pin down the exact problem/solution, and because they can't really address the problem yet they have just gone into denial mode, which hasn't helped the situation or their reputation, so a lot of the decisions to ban the P320 are based on that uncertainty.  The number of uncommanded discharges reported is around 100 or so last I heard, but that's out of 2.5 million pistols made, so the odds of that happening are currently running about 4 thousandths of a percent.

[Badlands Bob #61228]

2 hours ago, Doug E Turtle said:

The issue right now is that there doesn't seem to be enough of a consistent pattern for SIG to pin down the exact problem/solution, and because they can't really address the problem yet they have just gone into denial mode, which hasn't helped the situation or their reputation, so a lot of the decisions to ban the P320 are based on that uncertainty.  The number of uncommanded discharges reported is around 100 or so last I heard, but that's out of 2.5 million pistols made, so the odds of that happening are currently running about 4 thousandths of a percent.

Once is too many times as far as I'm concerned.  There is obviously a design flaw that Sig is ignoring or hoping will magically go away.  I saw in the news where a member of the Air Force got killed by a Sig P320.  I don't know what the specific details were but I'm sure there will be a FULL investigation.

[Griff]

9 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

Once is too many times as far as I'm concerned.  There is obviously a design flaw that Sig is ignoring or hoping will magically go away.  I saw in the news where a member of the Air Force got killed by a Sig P320.  I don't know what the specific details were but I'm sure there will be a FULL investigation.

More than one, and apparently an arrest has been made in relation to the 2nd.  Kinda throws the thing into question for me.  

[Texas Maverick]

12 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

Once is too many times as far as I'm concerned.  There is obviously a design flaw that Sig is ignoring or hoping will magically go away.  I saw in the news where a member of the Air Force got killed by a Sig P320.  I don't know what the specific details were but I'm sure there will be a FULL investigation.

Most everything I have read is one with a WML and ill fitting holster where it appears something is getting into the trigger area (shirt tail, jacket, keys, etc) and pressing on the trigger when there is some type of movement of the holster. They have not been successful in reproducing the issue at any of the lawsuits. The airman that was killed was shot by another airman and not the P320 going off by itself. I have 2 and neither is for sale nor am I scared of carrying either one. 1 has the MS and the other doesn't.

 

TM

[Still hand Bill]

There have been a couple people who have found some 320’s will go off with slide movement if they are not assembled per directions and the  mag block fails.  Very much a corner case, but it can happen.  Ryan Kleckner did a good analysis on his going ballistic podcast.  

[Doug E Turtle]

5 hours ago, Still hand Bill said:

There have been a couple people who have found some 320’s will go off with slide movement if they are not assembled per directions and the  mag block fails.  Very much a corner case, but it can happen.  Ryan Kleckner did a good analysis on his going ballistic podcast.  

 

The one thing that I learned, or had merely forgotten, from this whole issue is that firing pins in striker-fired guns are held back under tension over a live round.  That can be concerning in itself if a sear and/or safety was to fail, no matter who the maker is.  Makes me appreciate the simplicity and inherent safety of a DA or SA revolver even more...

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Doug E Turtle said:

 

The one thing that I learned, or had merely forgotten, from this whole issue is that firing pins in striker-fired guns are held back under tension over a live round.  That can be concerning in itself if a sear and/or safety was to fail, no matter who the maker is.  Makes me appreciate the simplicity and inherent safety of a DA or SA revolver even more...

1911... Not a striker. SA. Cocked, locked, and ready to rock.

[Doug E Turtle]

4 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

1911... Not a striker. SA. Cocked, locked, and ready to rock.

 

Yep, those too...I had a Ruger P95 DA/SA that I would trust more as well as it was hammer-fired.

[Still hand Bill]

On 8/20/2025 at 5:50 PM, Doug E Turtle said:

 

The one thing that I learned, or had merely forgotten, from this whole issue is that firing pins in striker-fired guns are held back under tension over a live round.  That can be concerning in itself if a sear and/or safety was to fail, no matter who the maker is.  Makes me appreciate the simplicity and inherent safety of a DA or SA revolver even more...

Imho part of the 320 issue is they took a hammer fired pistol and converted it to striker fired.  Had to do a lot of fancy mechanisms to make it work.  They also didn’t do a trigger dongle like most other manufacturers.  They also hold the striker all the way back unlike Glock that holds it half way.