Spare ammo

[Alpo]

There are some people that carry a gun all the time. Not just when they're not at the house - all the time. So if they were sitting down to supper, for example, and somebody kicked in their front door, they've got a gun to shoot the home invader.

 

There are other people who don't wish to carry a gun all the time, and instead they have guns stashed here and there throughout their house. So if they were cooking supper and someone kicked in the front door, there's a pistol over there next to the microwave. If they're taking a shower when the door is kicked in, there's a pistol in the medicine cabinet.

 

My question is for those people. Do you keep spare ammunition with the gun?

 

I thought of this one night while watching NCIS (oh god, not another damn NCIS question). This was the end of season 13 or 14 - Ziva came back. She was supposed to be dead, and Gibbs is down in the basement working on something, and she comes tripping lightly down the stairs. That's how the episode ended and that was the last episode in that year.

 

The next year it picks up there and we find out that someone is trying to kill her and they have decided to go after Gibbs. Because of his and her relationship. I think they wanted to kidnap him to use him as a hostage to get her. I think.

 

Regardless. While they are down in the basement the bad guys come in upstairs and start shooting. Ziva returns fire. Gibbs opens the secret drawer under the workbench and pulls out an automatic of some sort - he used to have a two and a half inch Model 66, but he has upgraded. And they both shoot like they've got all the ammunition in the world - bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang. Then Ziva asks if Gibbs has any spare ammo. He says no - didn't she have any? She said that she was traveling light, whatever that means. If you don't have very much ammunition don't act like your pistol is a machine gun. But I digress.

 

So there they are down in the basement. Two pistols, no ammo. Hmmm. That seems kind of dumb.

 

Now there is spare ammunition - 15 to 20 rounds average - next to every pistol I have stashed in the house. Except the one automatic but I only have one magazine for it so hopefully nobody breaks in while I'm in that bathroom because I've only got nine rounds.

 

 

[Eyesa Horg]

And then there's the libtards that say your gun should always be locked with ammo locked somewhere else! Yeh, hang on Mr. Thug, I got a go get my gun and ammo! Criminals are patient that way, bless their hearts.

[Texas Joker]

Travelling light: pistol in holster maybe a spare mag. Not really expecting trouble ready for defense.

 

Travelling heavy: loaded for bear or a walk down mainstreet falluja. Long gun spare mags, pistol spare mags, armor. A couple buddies...

 

And since it's NCIS at least 2 knives.

[Cypress Sun]

Just make sure you don't do this!

 

And don't pay attention to the stupid title of the clip.

 

 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

I don't. I have a couple Taurus 85s hidden near each door. They're only 5 shots, but my house is small enough that I SHOULD be able to get to my bedroom where my Mossberg 500 is if needed. IT has a 7 round magazine, 7 round side saddle, and an additional 5 rounds on the buttstock. And 3 of THEM are slugs. 

I'm not that concerned with somebody suddenly kicking in my door for 2 reasons: 

(1). I have a security camera system set up that watches 3 sides of the approach. The cameras are connected to my T.V., which is usually on even if we're not watching it, set to that input. If we're watching, a simple press of a button on the remote changes the input so that we can see them.

I'm not too concerned with the 4th side (south), because my backyard neighbor is not only a good neighbor, but a GREAT neighbor. He's erected an 8 FOOT block wall between our properties. If the Bad Guys come that way, first they have to get through his yard, protected by walls and steel gates, then they still have to get over the wall. The west side is also protected by an 8 ft block wall because the city and the Railroad have one there to try to keep the bums off their property on the other side of that. The backyard is protected by not only those, but a 6' fence with a secured gate. They could get through that, but first they have to get to it. One of the cameras is set so that it can see that side from the street all the way to that gate.

On the East side, where my other neighbor lives is a simple chain-link fence that goes all the way to the street. Wouldn't be worth the bother to jump that because they'd still have to transverse the yard to get to the door. 

(2). I have driveway alarm sensors set up monitoring both entrances in the front, (street side) of the property. If anybody walks past either of those, I get an alarm inside giving me time to at least access my front door gun, one of the aforementioned Taurus 85s, or access the shotgun if I would think it appropriate. To get to my previously mentioned 6' fence, they first have to go past that sensor. Even if I'm dead asleep, that alarm wakes me up, and that shotgun is right by my bed if needed, as is my 1911. While I don't have spare ammo WITH the 1911, the spare mag pouch is on my dresser only a few feet away where I could access it if needed. 

I suppose that if they were really determined, they could get to me, but I'm just not that important to make it worth the bother. I don't KNOW any Israeli assassins or spys.    

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said:

Just make sure you don't do this!

 

And don't pay attention to the stupid title of the clip.

 

 

I loved that scene. I didn't even watch the clip. I can see it in my head.

 

"Time out! I brought the wrong bullets!!"

 

Yeah, I don't think it really works that way.

[ShadowCatcher]

I don't know about you folks, but when I was a kid I had no trouble finding all the places my parents would hide gifts, especially Christmas gifts.  The last thing I ever want to do is come home from the market, and walk into a group of teens or older who not only snuck into my house, but also found one or more of my guns.  Nor a whole lot better is to find out they took them and ran away - now my guns are on the street being sold to other bad guys.  Worst of all is when a neighbor comes to visit my beautiful bride and brings along a child old enough to be unattended for a bit, then having them discover one can potentially be so heart breaking. I carry my pistol and at least one reload, two if a single stack.  I keep it with me until bed time, then it's out of sight but within grasp range. My theory about gun control is I want to be in control of every gun in my house at all times.    

 

Just my $0.02 worth.

 

SC

[Pat Riot]

I keep guns through out the house. Some have extra ammo, some don’t. 
I have been considering getting a couple more Ruger RXMs and stashing them in various places with extra mags. 
2 of my current HD guns are nice revolvers I wouldn’t want the cops holding as evidence. 

Maybe I should a couple or 4 Hi Point 9mm pistols. Inexpensive and reliable. 
Sportsman’s Warehouse has the 8 shot model on sale for $105. I kid you not!

https://www.sportsmans.com/c/cat139633-hpf-handguns-under-200

[PowderRiverCowboy]

3 hours ago, Texas Joker said:

Travelling light: pistol in holster maybe a spare mag. Not really expecting trouble ready for defense.

 

Travelling heavy: loaded for bear or a walk down mainstreet falluja. Long gun spare mags, pistol spare mags, armor. A couple buddies...

 

And since it's NCIS at least 2 knives.

Yep, Pack heavy , carry light   let him figure that one out .

[Blackwater 53393]

You just don’t know, do ya’??

 

My neighbors KNOW  that I am armed and that I shoot pretty well. So does the sheriff and his deputies.

 

EVERYONE  in my house is a much better than average shooter and they all know the rules of survival and engagement.

 

Not only do you not know, YOU DON’T WANT TO FIND OUT!!

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

2 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

You just don’t know, do ya’??

 

My neighbors KNOW  that I am armed and that I shoot pretty well. So does the sheriff and his deputies.

 

EVERYONE  in my house is a much better than average shooter and they all know the rules of survival and engagement.

 

Not only do you not know, YOU DON’T WANT TO FIND OUT!!

Guys that I know are shooters, I just presume that they are prepared. And since I'm generally a decent, relatively law abiding citizen, I don't NEED to find out. 

As for you, Blackwater, I don't need to out shoot you, with your foot, I can probably out RUN you.

[Eyesa Horg]

3 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

Guys that I know are shooters, I just presume that they are prepared. And since I'm generally a decent, relatively law abiding citizen, I don't NEED to find out. 

As for you, Blackwater, I don't need to out shoot you, with your foot, I can probably out RUN you.

But, but, can you outrun his bullet?

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

14 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

But, but, can you outrun his bullet?

I can if he's trying to shoot while standing on that bad foot.

[Blackwater 53393]

16 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

Guys that I know are shooters, I just presume that they are prepared. And since I'm generally a decent, relatively law abiding citizen, I don't NEED to find out. 

As for you, Blackwater, I don't need to out shoot you, with your foot, I can probably out RUN you.

You might be okay on stairs or rough ground, but with eight years of experience on this damned knee scooter, you would be hard pressed to outrun me on flat ground!! 😜

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 minute ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

You might be okay on stairs or rough ground, but with eight years of experience on this damned knee scooter, you would be hard pressed to outrun me on flat ground!! 😜

SET RAMMING SPEED!!

[Blackwater 53393]

10 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

I can if he's trying to shoot while standing on that bad foot.

 

I can stand just fine!! I ran a few rounds last weekend from rifle, pistol, and shotgun and I was able to hit what I aimed at.

 

Matter of fact, I put five shots of hot .45 Colt in a six inch tree trunk, off hand at 15 yds.

 

That stuff nearly cut the tree in half!  🤪

 

 

Edited July 1, 2025 by Blackwater 53393

[Eyesa Horg]

And ya don't have to run far when you just send a bullet ahead!

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

51 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

 

I can stand just fine!! I ran a few rounds last weekend from rifle, pistol, and shotgun and I was able to hit what I aimed at.

 

Matter of fact, I put five shots of hot .45 Colt in a six inch tree trunk, off hand at 15 yds.

 

That stuff nearly cut the tree in half!  🤪

 

 

OKAY, OKAY, I give!🤠

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

8 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

Just make sure you don't do this!

 

And don't pay attention to the stupid title of the clip.

 

 

Neither one of those idiots are smart enough to pee a hole in the snow they are standing in.

 

Think of the ammo they are giving the anti-gunners to prove they are right and we shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

[Cypress Sun]

2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

Think of the ammo they are giving the anti-gunners to prove they are right and we shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

 

The anti-gunners are going to prove we shouldn't have guns using a 42 year old comedy movie as an example?

[Calico Jack]

What’s the next level above a New York reload? 

[Alpo]

That would be a gun in both hands, wouldn't it?

 

New York reload is when I shoot my gun empty and stash it away and pull my spare gun.

 

Already having my spare gun out when my first gun runs dry seems like it would be a little quicker. A step up.

[Calico Jack]

20 minutes ago, Alpo said:

That would be a gun in both hands, wouldn't it?

 

New York reload is when I shoot my gun empty and stash it away and pull my spare gun.

 

Already having my spare gun out when my first gun runs dry seems like it would be a little quicker. A step up.

Alpo I think they just call that gunfighter  

[Alpo]

I don't think so. I don't shoot it, but I think gunfighter has both guns out, but you alternate them - shoot left gun, shoot right gun, shoot left gun, shoot right gun, etc.

 

What I was describing was shoot the right gun until it's empty and then start shooting the left gun.

 

I was thinking double duelist, but I believe double duelist you can only have one gun out at the time, so that would basically be a New York reload - shoot the right gun empty, holster it and draw the left gun.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

13 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I was thinking double duelist, but I believe double duelist you can only have one gun out at the time, so that would basically be a New York reload - shoot the right gun empty, holster it and draw the left gun.

It's been a while, but I think that Duelist is one gun in one hand, fire it and holster. Then draw second gun with the other hand and fire. I think that Double Duelist is both guns out, fire first gun dry, then fire second without holstering the first.

[Alpo]

I thought the Duelist just meant you shot with one hand. So you could draw your right gun and shoot it till it's empty and then holster it, and then draw your left gun and pass it over to your right hand and shoot it empty, then give it back to your left hand and reholster it. Duelist

 

But double duelist, again I thought, we should shoot the right gun with your right hand and then you holster it and draw your left gun and shoot it with your left hand.

 

But I thought the only category you were allowed to have two pistols out at the same time was gunfighter.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

56 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I thought the Duelist just meant you shot with one hand. So you could draw your right gun and shoot it till it's empty and then holster it, and then draw your left gun and pass it over to your right hand and shoot it empty, then give it back to your left hand and reholster it. Duelist

 

But double duelist, again I thought, we should shoot the right gun with your right hand and then you holster it and draw your left gun and shoot it with your left hand.

 

But I thought the only category you were allowed to have two pistols out at the same time was gunfighter.

You very well might be correct. Like I said, it's been a long time. Hopefully Pale Wolf Brunelle will chime in and correct me. 

Upon reflection, I think that you're correct. The difference is that Duelists fire one handed, unlike the rest of us. 

Edited July 2, 2025 by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770

[Calico Jack]

Pretty sure Alpo nailed it!

 

Alpo, what do we call it once those two guns are spent and you switch to the next loaded handgun/shotgun/rifle?

 

An LA reload or a Josey Wales reload? Lol

 

[Blackwater 53393]

Shooting Gunfighter doesn’t REQUIRE that you alternate firing drawn revolvers.  It doesn’t even REQUIRE  that you present both guns at the same time!!

 

It DOES require that you shoot one revolver from each hand and that the gun be cocked and fired with that hand unsupported.  A shooter in the Gunfighter category has the option of shooting with both guns presented or may shoot any stage “Double Duelist”!

 

The shooter may also draw both guns and “fire one dry” and then do the same with the other or fire his/her guns in any other order they choose. They MUST engage the targets in the same sequence as everyone else, but which gun they shoot is their choice!

 

 

Edited July 2, 2025 by Blackwater 53393

[Alpo]

2 hours ago, Calico Jack said:

Alpo, what do we call it once those two guns are spent and you switch to the next loaded handgun/shotgun/rifle?

Isaac Hayes reload

 

 

 

Or possibly the Brett Maverick reload

 

 

Edited July 2, 2025 by Alpo

[Calico Jack]

2 hours ago, Alpo said:

Isaac Hayes reload

 

 

 

Or possibly the Brett Maverick reload

 

 

I always look forward to your replies haha! Thanks for the good laugh today! 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

On 7/1/2025 at 6:11 PM, Cypress Sun said:

 

The anti-gunners are going to prove we shouldn't have guns using a 42 year old comedy movie as an example?

As desperate as they have proven to be over the years, why give them anything, regardless of age, to use against us?

[Cypress Sun]

19 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

As desperate as they have proven to be over the years, why give them anything, regardless of age, to use against us?

 

YouTube has everything they could possibly want to use as ammo (no pun intended) against pro 2nd Amendment folks. All kinds of stupid people with guns on there......along with stupid people with hammers, knives, vehicles, trampolines, baseball bats, dogs, cats and everything else one can think of. There are tens of thousands of them on there.

I seriously doubt that a 42 year old movie, that no one remembers, is going to sway anyone.

I do see your point however.

[Sedalia Dave]

 

 

Duelist or Double Duelist is only allowed to have ONE LOADED revolver in hand (not holstered or touching the prop where staged at a time.

Gunfighter can have TWO LOADED revolvers in hand but there is no requirement to do so.

 

On 7/1/2025 at 10:43 PM, Alpo said:

I don't think so. I don't shoot it, but I think gunfighter has both guns out, but you alternate them - shoot left gun, shoot right gun, shoot left gun, shoot right gun, etc.

 

What I was describing was shoot the right gun until it's empty and then start shooting the left gun.

 

I was thinking double duelist, but I believe double duelist you can only have one gun out at the time, so that would basically be a New York reload - shoot the right gun empty, holster it and draw the left gun.

 

Blackwater's explanation covers the rules for Gunfighter very well

On 7/1/2025 at 11:00 PM, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

It's been a while, but I think that Duelist is one gun in one hand, fire it and holster. Then draw second gun with the other hand and fire. I think that Double Duelist is both guns out, fire first gun dry, then fire second without holstering the first.

 

 

On 7/1/2025 at 11:06 PM, Alpo said:

I thought the Duelist just meant you shot with one hand. So you could draw your right gun and shoot it till it's empty and then holster it, and then draw your left gun and pass it over to your right hand and shoot it empty, then give it back to your left hand and reholster it. Duelist

 

But double duelist, again I thought, we should shoot the right gun with your right hand and then you holster it and draw your left gun and shoot it with your left hand.

 

But I thought the only category you were allowed to have two pistols out at the same time was gunfighter.

 

Double Duelist is not a separate category. It is just a different way to shoot Duelist.

 

Double Duelist simply means that the shooter shoots each revolver with a different hand. Otherwise the rules for Duelist and Double Duelist are the same.

Neither Duelist nor Double Duelist can have two LOADED revolvers in hand at the same time. So a Duelist or Double Duelist can pull one pistol and shoot all 5 rounds. They can then pull the second pistol and begin to fire it without having to holster/restage the first pistol. However if there is a live round in pistol one and you draw and cock pistol two before you holster pistol one you earn a SDQ.

 

The only category that allows two LOADED pistols in hand at the same time is Gunfighter.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

8 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

YouTube has everything they could possibly want to use as ammo (no pun intended) against pro 2nd Amendment folks. All kinds of stupid people with guns on there......along with stupid people with hammers, knives, vehicles, trampolines, baseball bats, dogs, cats and everything else one can think of. There are tens of thousands of them on there.

I seriously doubt that a 42 year old movie, that no one remembers, is going to sway anyone.

I do see your point however.

And 42 years doesn't mean much to people who have been representing the Constitution (and every other armed citizen law and court decision) since it was ratified. 

 

Never trust them.