Dapper Dave Posted May 21 Posted May 21 If things go right, I MIGHT be getting a new CZ Sharptail 12ga Coach Gun. Anyone have experience with that model in SASS and recommended upgrades/tweaking/just send it to Shotgun Boogie? Any problems? It's not 100%, but above 90% chance. 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted May 21 Posted May 21 From what I've read, just get it from Ken Griner Gun Works. I'm thinking about ordering one myself. 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 21 Author Posted May 21 (edited) This one will be coming direct from CZ if it happens. Can I send it to him? Edit to add, dumb question, I looked him up. No prices on his site for work, though. Edited May 21 by Dapper Dave Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 21 Author Posted May 21 I just saw that, $1400 for gun and work, so figuring on maybe $500-600 for the work on an existing gun? I really don't know anything about what active working gunsmiths charge; my gunsmith buddy that did a little work for me is retired and just charges for parts since he has time and likes to tinker, but his forte is black powder rifles and oddballs like my Iver Johnson Second Model 38 SW revolver. 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Do it, Boogie will do it 'rite'. They are fantastic shotguns! 2 Quote
Windy City Kid Posted May 21 Posted May 21 10 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: If things go right, I MIGHT be getting a new CZ Sharptail 12ga Coach Gun. Anyone have experience with that model in SASS and recommended upgrades/tweaking/just send it to Shotgun Boogie? Any problems? It's not 100%, but above 90% chance. Love mine, had I not had a good local smith, it would have gone to Ken, or purchased directly through him. I did not have my smith delete my safety, wish I did, and still plan too. It has run flawlessly for two seasons now. 1 Quote
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Windy City Kid said: Love mine, had I not had a good local smith, it would have gone to Ken, or purchased directly through him. I did not have my smith delete my safety, wish I did, and still plan too. It has run flawlessly for two seasons now. I didn’t delete the safety on mine but I changed to a heavier spring, now it takes both thumbs to activate it. Absolutely no way to accidentally activate it. Mine was originally done by Ken Griner and it’s a very nice gun but I can still shoot my SKB faster. Randy 2 Quote
El Mulo Vaquero, SASS #55942 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: I just saw that, $1400 for gun and work, so figuring on maybe $500-600 for the work on an existing gun? I really don't know anything about what active working gunsmiths charge; my gunsmith buddy that did a little work for me is retired and just charges for parts since he has time and likes to tinker, but his forte is black powder rifles and oddballs like my Iver Johnson Second Model 38 SW revolver. I charge $350 plus return shipping to do my work on CZ Sharptails that are shipped here. Its no secret to email or call for pricing. I don't know where you're finding new CZ Sharptail coachguns for $800-$900?¿ Thats not even wholesale cost, and you can't ever compete with a gunsmith buddy doing work for free. Ken Griner Edited May 21 by El Mulo Vaquero, SASS #55942 8 1 Quote
Windy City Kid Posted May 21 Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: I didn’t delete the safety on mine but I changed to a heavier spring, now it takes both thumbs to activate it. Absolutely no way to accidentally activate it. Mine was originally done by Ken Griner and it’s a very nice gun but I can still shoot my SKB faster. Randy Was it an easy mod? (easy for a dummy like me lol) does Ken have the springs? Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted May 21 Posted May 21 49 minutes ago, El Mulo Vaquero, SASS #55942 said: I charge $350 plus return shipping to do my work on CZ Sharptails that are shipped here. Its no secret to email or call for pricing. I don't know where you're finding new CZ Sharptail coachguns for $800-$900?¿ Thats not even wholesale cost, and you can't ever compete with a gunsmith buddy doing work for free. Ken Griner Do you typically have them in stock? What's the usual wait time for one? I'm interested!! EH Quote
Texas Maverick Posted May 21 Posted May 21 7 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: This one will be coming direct from CZ if it happens. Can I send it to him? Edit to add, dumb question, I looked him up. No prices on his site for work, though. Yes, he takes them and will do his magic to them. He has done one of mine that way and I liked it so well I bought one of his as a backup. I have two and love them. TM 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 22 Author Posted May 22 8 hours ago, El Mulo Vaquero, SASS #55942 said: I charge $350 plus return shipping to do my work on CZ Sharptails that are shipped here. Its no secret to email or call for pricing. I don't know where you're finding new CZ Sharptail coachguns for $800-$900?¿ Thats not even wholesale cost, and you can't ever compete with a gunsmith buddy doing work for free. Ken Griner Ah, thank you, I appreciate that reply, much appreciated. I am accessing from work, so I couldn't email from here on the work email, boss might get irked. Gun is a once in a lifetime type deal, that's for certain. Once again, thank you very much for your reply, if my buddy can't do it, I will be in contact - I have my Stoeger for now, and even as a cheap blaster, it works great. Quote
Idaho Gunslinger Posted May 22 Posted May 22 13 hours ago, Windy City Kid said: Love mine, had I not had a good local smith, it would have gone to Ken, or purchased directly through him. I did not have my smith delete my safety, wish I did, and still plan too. It has run flawlessly for two seasons now. 11 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: I didn’t delete the safety on mine but I changed to a heavier spring, now it takes both thumbs to activate it. Absolutely no way to accidentally activate it. Mine was originally done by Ken Griner and it’s a very nice gun but I can still shoot my SKB faster. Randy I spoke with Griner about this and he said the safety cannot be deleted on these. It's integral to the single trigger function. He did send me a stiffer spring to make it harder to activate. 7 minutes ago, Dapper Dave said: Ah, thank you, I appreciate that reply, much appreciated. I am accessing from work, so I couldn't email from here on the work email, boss might get irked. Gun is a once in a lifetime type deal, that's for certain. Once again, thank you very much for your reply, if my buddy can't do it, I will be in contact - I have my Stoeger for now, and even as a cheap blaster, it works great. These guns are incredibly stiff when new and I believe they have an auto safety so they are not ideal for SASS out of the box. Ken could probably tell you more but I believe most of these gunsmiths gut a lot of the factory parts out and build a new cocking mechanism that is much lighter and smoother than factory. Each smith seems to have their own slight variations to the rebuild. I bought mine straight from Ken ready to go. I couldn't get one for less than he could so it would cheaper to buy through him. 3 1 Quote
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 10 hours ago, Windy City Kid said: Was it an easy mod? (easy for a dummy like me lol) does Ken have the springs? According to Idaho Gunslinger Ken does have stiffer springs. I just used some assorted spring stock from Brownell’s. Here are a few pictures that might help you decide if you can do it? Sorry they aren’t very good and some are upside down. Randy 1 Quote
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I need to clarify, I said mine was originally done by Ken but I don’t know that for sure I bought it used and that’s just what I was told. Also the hammer springs are not what was in it when I got it. I have been playing around with springs and that’s what was in it in January when I took those pictures. Sorry if there was any confusion. Randy 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 22 Author Posted May 22 The sales blurb says the Sharptail Coach has a manual safety, not an auto. I had my gunsmith buddy disable the auto safety on my Stoeger, but it still works on manual. That one I spent many hours on polishing and slicking up, got complimented by one long time SASS shooter about it being a "perfectly slicked up scattergun". The ONLY real problem that I had with that one is how tight it would lock up with full power loads, (I might use it for other things than just SASS), but after polishing up as much as I can, it's pretty darn good breaking open with everything I use. I read the Sharptails are really stiff when new, but loosen up quickly with shooting and stoning, so we'll see. Still not 100% sure I will get it, but it's looking closer to about 95% now. Quote
Texas Maverick Posted May 22 Posted May 22 13 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: Ah, thank you, I appreciate that reply, much appreciated. I am accessing from work, so I couldn't email from here on the work email, boss might get irked. Gun is a once in a lifetime type deal, that's for certain. Once again, thank you very much for your reply, if my buddy can't do it, I will be in contact - I have my Stoeger for now, and even as a cheap blaster, it works great. Not to put down your buddy but if you go to Ken's web page and see what all he does to the CZ you might want to skip your buddy. Ken does a complete overhaul of the internals including firing pins and extractor for $350. I am willing to bet your buddy doesn't even come close to what Ken does. You won't regret it. It will be the last shotgun you will need to buy for this game. I have my backup and have never needed it. So now I use one for smokeless powder and one for black powder. Good luck on getting your CZ TM 1 Quote
Texas Maverick Posted May 22 Posted May 22 11 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: The sales blurb says the Sharptail Coach has a manual safety, not an auto. I had my gunsmith buddy disable the auto safety on my Stoeger, but it still works on manual. That one I spent many hours on polishing and slicking up, got complimented by one long time SASS shooter about it being a "perfectly slicked up scattergun". The ONLY real problem that I had with that one is how tight it would lock up with full power loads, (I might use it for other things than just SASS), but after polishing up as much as I can, it's pretty darn good breaking open with everything I use. I read the Sharptails are really stiff when new, but loosen up quickly with shooting and stoning, so we'll see. Still not 100% sure I will get it, but it's looking closer to about 95% now. Yes, they are very stiff right out of the box. Ken does his magic and it works like a charm. He puts a very heavy spring on the safety so it doesn't get set. It can be put on safe manually with some effort. TM 2 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I'm just hoping Ken can get some soon!! He does really nice work. He did my Rugers for the guy that owned them before me and they have been flawless. 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 22 Author Posted May 22 5 hours ago, Texas Maverick said: Not to put down your buddy but if you go to Ken's web page and see what all he does to the CZ you might want to skip your buddy. Ken does a complete overhaul of the internals including firing pins and extractor for $350. I am willing to bet your buddy doesn't even come close to what Ken does. You won't regret it. It will be the last shotgun you will need to buy for this game. I have my backup and have never needed it. So now I use one for smokeless powder and one for black powder. Good luck on getting your CZ TM You might be right, he was only gunsmithing for over 50 years before he retired. We'll see, thank you for the input. Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 22 Author Posted May 22 Sorry, I read that real fast, and saw "Jack Burton" and wondered what does Kurt Russell have to do with this? On the other hand, having him at a match dressed as Wyatt would be INTENSE. Thank you all very much! Quote
Texas Maverick Posted May 23 Posted May 23 17 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: You might be right, he was only gunsmithing for over 50 years before he retired. We'll see, thank you for the input. Not putting him down as I said. It sounds like he has a lot of experience but how much in tuning cowboy guns would be the question. I know that a lot of gunsmiths have started focusing on one or two types of firearms to become the expert on that particular gun. They also can work on others but Ken has put a lot of time and effort to tune the CZ so that is why I said what I did. Your gunsmith if he isn't familiar and worked on them would be starting from scratch where Ken has already come up with a complete set of internals for the CZ. I don't doubt your gunsmith can tune it up and smooth out the action and opening but I feel it will take him some time to do what Ken does already. I hope you get the CZ because it is a great shotgun and no matter who you go with it can be a top of the line SASS shotgun that will give you many years of good usage. Good luck. TM 4 Quote
Dallas McBoomboom Posted May 23 Posted May 23 @Dapper Dave In defense of the guys advising caution, let me share with you that I bought a Sharptail, and brought it to Doc Noper, who is an established cowboy shotgunsmith, and he took one look at it, gave it back, and said "whatever those crazy steampunk internals are, I'm not messing with em." Ended up sending mine to Longhunter before he got out of the business. Not in any way questioning your gunsmith, but reinforcing that these guns are very unique. Hope the whole thing goes smoothly! Dallas 2 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted May 23 Author Posted May 23 And that's why I asked, because I am trying to keep an open mind. Larry's a great guy who has done impossible things in the past, but if he says he can't do it, then that will be that. So, I need to save up some possible gunsmith money. 6 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted June 6 Author Posted June 6 Well, it turned out to be a bust. Oh well, back to sticking up my Stoeger Coach Gun! Quote
Kid Rich Posted June 6 Posted June 6 You do pretty well with your shotgun Dave. There are some very fast Cowboy shooters out there that shoot Stoegers kR 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 6 Posted June 6 7 hours ago, Dapper Dave said: Well, it turned out to be a bust. Oh well, back to sticking up my Stoeger Coach Gun! What happened? 1 Quote
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted June 6 Posted June 6 Regarding backup shotguns: yes, they are needed. I broke a firing pin on my CZ Sharptail and am temporarily shooting one of my Stoegers. The Stoegers have stopped working due to swelled firing pins and lead debris in the action. The only CAS firearms I own that have never failed are my Ruger single actions. I bring backups for them too when I go on a road trip. Mr. Murphy is active on shooting ranges dispensing his mischief on the unprepared. 3 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted June 6 Author Posted June 6 I have made my acquaintance with Captain Murphy a time or two in some pretty hairy situations. Never did like that guy... Let's just say the process seems to have fallen apart for me to get a "high dollar", (for me), gun at a killer, (undisclosable), price, so I will save some shekels and pick up another Stoeger Coach Gun, this time with wood furniture. I would love to have backups for everything, but my wallet doesn't have a backup right now, and I just started this last November. I also have never once in my life been on a road trip to shoot any kind of match whatsoever. If I went on a road trip with firearms, it was usually an AR and handgun for SD while traveling through to my destination. Perhaps if I live to retire, I can try that. Right now my road trip to shoot is the hour it takes me to drive to the monthly match, otherwise it's about 10 minutes to the local outdoor range. Thank you, Kid, it's a fun little boomer, it is. 2 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted June 6 Author Posted June 6 I should also state that up until I married my second, and far smarter/better/everything wife, I would have never once been able to even afford to drive up to the range to watch a match, much less buy guns/clothes/gun cart/hats/etc. My ex made sure of that for 23 years. Just having two of the same gun, (the Ranch Hands), fells a little "wrong" still, like I am wasting money by having two of exactly the same thing when that money could be used for gas or food...which I don't NEED to do anymore, again, thanks to my wonderful wife of 3 years now. Did I mention I love my wife? 6 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 6 Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said: Regarding backup shotguns: yes, they are needed. I broke a firing pin on my CZ Sharptail and am temporarily shooting one of my Stoegers. The Stoegers have stopped working due to swelled firing pins and lead debris in the action. The only CAS firearms I own that have never failed are my Ruger single actions. I bring backups for them too when I go on a road trip. Mr. Murphy is active on shooting ranges dispensing his mischief on the unprepared. You still have the t'bars in those Ruger's? Just say'n if you do, have a couple of spare t'bars on hand. Trust me on this. 1 Quote
Dapper Dave Posted June 6 Author Posted June 6 Now I'm intrigued - what would you replace transfers bars with? Quote
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted June 6 Posted June 6 4 minutes ago, Dapper Dave said: Now I'm intrigued - what would you replace transfers bars with? A hammer setup for use without a transfer bar. 1 Quote
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