New CAS Scoring APP subscription

[Flanigan Flats]

Any other clubs get this surprise this morning? Any Match over 7 shooters now requires a paid subscription of $64ish a year or $14ish a month. Syncing the small matches outside the paywall appeared to not possible this morning. We had a small WB match this morning and got away with using 2 IPads. That won’t be possible at tomorrow’s cowboy match. 
 

Questions for those who took the leap. Do we have to get a subscription for each device? If not how many devices are included with a subscription? 
 

Any information would be helpful and appreciated!!!

 

Thank you

[Jackalope]

We discovered the same thing at Oak Ridge today.  We had to resort to using paper!  Oh, the horror!

 

I don't know anything more about the software deal but it was fortunate we had a bunch of left over paper score sheets from years gone by.

[Sedalia Dave]

From the Apple App Store. 
 

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

Got burned by that today myself at our monthly match in Damascus, MD.  We had to resort to our old paper scorecards and our 25 year old DOS program "Scorecard".  If this had been discovered next month when we were hosting the MD State Match, I would have been beyond livid.

 

While I personally don't fault anyone for attempting to capitalize on their work effort, this was a pretty lousy way to go about doing it.  It is a nice program, with some good features, but there are also a lot of holes and things it should do that it does not.

 

Not sure what I am going to do going forward.  Definitely going to look at Practiscore before I drop $$$ on a subscription.  I may be forced to do a 1 Month subscription just to get through the State Match, but I will not be happy about it at all.  I need a lot more information about what the costs will be (per tablet vs per club vs per user and the method of determining that) before I will plop down ANY $$$ for this.

 

I dislike Software subscriptions with a passion, and springing this on folks in this manner, folks who have invested time and effort to learn the program, not to mention $$$ on iPads when Andriod tablets are so cheap, is not a good way to build a good long term business relationship with their customer base.

 

If they had done a better job of notifying folks, and if the costs were half of what they are charging, it would almost have been a no-brainer, almost.  Just as a point of reference, the SASS Scoring Software was running $100.00 per year to keep current, but you could skip years and the program would still run if you didn't need the software updates.  And it did a LOT more than this program does (not that we used most of it) but it didn't run on tablets either.

 

I suspect this will turn a lot of potential (and many current) customers away.  Not sure this was a smart move on their part at all.

 

Just my $0.02 and it's worth exactly what you paid for it!

 

Dogmeat

 

 

[Tyrel Cody]

7 minutes ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said:

Got burned by that today myself at our monthly match in Damascus, MD.  We had to resort to our old paper scorecards and our 25 year old DOS program "Scorecard".  If this had been discovered next month when we were hosting the MD State Match, I would have been beyond livid.

 

While I personally don't fault anyone for attempting to capitalize on their work effort, this was a pretty lousy way to go about doing it.  It is a nice program, with some good features, but there are also a lot of holes and things it should do that it does not.

 

Not sure what I am going to do going forward.  Definitely going to look at Practiscore before I drop $$$ on a subscription.  I may be forced to do a 1 Month subscription just to get through the State Match, but I will not be happy about it at all.  I need a lot more information about what the costs will be (per tablet vs per club vs per user and the method of determining that) before I will plop down ANY $$$ for this.

 

I dislike Software subscriptions with a passion, and springing this on folks in this manner, folks who have invested time and effort to learn the program, not to mention $$$ on iPads when Andriod tablets are so cheap, is not a good way to build a good long term business relationship with their customer base.

 

If they had done a better job of notifying folks, and if the costs were half of what they are charging, it would almost have been a no-brainer, almost.  Just as a point of reference, the SASS Scoring Software was running $100.00 per year to keep current, but you could skip years and the program would still run if you didn't need the software updates.  And it did a LOT more than this program does (not that we used most of it) but it didn't run on tablets either.

 

I suspect this will turn a lot of potential (and many current) customers away.  Not sure this was a smart move on their part at all.

 

Just my $0.02 and it's worth exactly what you paid for it!

 

Dogmeat

 

 

Practiscore2 is pretty darn nice. 

[Uncle Ethan # 94321]

8 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said:

Practiscore2 is pretty darn nice. 

I just downloaded it but couldn't find the SASS template.

Like others we may go to it.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

The last Cowboy out the door turns the lights off  !

Just Sayin. 

Rooster 

[Seth Bradford]

34 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said:

Practiscore2 is pretty darn nice. 

I just wish it had an email all shooter function like in PractiScore v1

[JP Remington]

42 minutes ago, Uncle Ethan # 94321 said:

I just downloaded it but couldn't find the SASS template.

Like others we may go to it.

Change, Add, scroll down to SASS Cowboy Action.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2025 by JP Remington
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[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

As a follow-up, if anyone actually pays the subscription/extortion fee, I have a question.

 

Does the program give you any additional new features or is it basically the same features that existed previously in version 1.54 with a few bug fixes and minor enhancements?

[Uncle Ethan # 94321]

10 hours ago, Flanigan Flats said:

Any other clubs get this surprise this morning? Any Match over 7 shooters now requires a paid subscription of $64ish a year or $14ish a month. Syncing the small matches outside the paywall appeared to not possible this morning. We had a small WB match this morning and got away with using 2 IPads. That won’t be possible at tomorrow’s cowboy match. 
 

Questions for those who took the leap. Do we have to get a subscription for each device? If not how many devices are included with a subscription? 
 

Any information would be helpful and appreciated!!!

 

Thank you

I sent them an email. Looks like one subscription will cover ten iPads.

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

39 minutes ago, Uncle Ethan # 94321 said:

I sent them an email. Looks like one subscription will cover ten iPads.

 

That makes it a little bit easier to swallow, but just a little bit.

 

I have done a tiny bit of reading about Practiscore and I am leaning towards migrating in that direction, but that will take some time.  The ability to run on Android Tablets, the "Industry Support" of the Practiscore software and it's maintenance, means that it is unlikely to result in a "Surprise" fee in the future.

 

Still a lot to sort out, and time is something I am in very short supply of at the moment, so I may be forced to bite the bullet for the short term, but I'm Not Happy!

 

Edited May 11, 2025 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L

[Toranado, SASS # 58447]

Just switched from practicescore to cas scoring this year.    Looks like we’re going back to practicescore.   Maybe a reasonable 20-$25 a year , but $64 a year is too high 

[MizPete]

When this program was brand new, we were the first club (I know of) to buy it and we promoted it everywhere we went.  We were promised perpetual updates.  Good luck with that!

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Just buy a few less starbucks coffees, eh? Hahaha

[Dutch Coroner]

13 hours ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said:

As a follow-up, if anyone actually pays the subscription/extortion fee, I have a question.

 

Does the program give you any additional new features or is it basically the same features that existed previously in version 1.54 with a few bug fixes and minor enhancements?

Dogmeat, I paid the subscription/extortion fee today.  I just don’t have the time to deal with this crap right now. I was packing for Georgia and didn’t look for anything new.  I’ll let you know if I find anything. 
 

Dutch

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

30 minutes ago, Dutch Coroner said:

Dogmeat, I paid the subscription/extortion fee today.  I just don’t have the time to deal with this crap right now. I was packing for Georgia and didn’t look for anything new.  I’ll let you know if I find anything. 
 

Dutch

 

Thanks for letting me know.  I will likely follow suit for this year for the same reason, but the off season this winter will be a time of reflection.

 

Travel safe and have a great trip to Georgia.  Shoot Well and get'em all!

 

Dogmeat

[Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L]

50 minutes ago, Dutch Coroner said:

Dogmeat, I paid the subscription/extortion fee today.  I just don’t have the time to deal with this crap right now. I was packing for Georgia and didn’t look for anything new.  I’ll let you know if I find anything. 
 

Dutch

Hey Dutch

See you at Georgia, leaving Tuesday to head that way.

Scout

[Toranado, SASS # 58447]

13 hours ago, Toranado, SASS # 58447 said:

Just switched from practicescore to cas scoring this year.    Looks like we’re going back to practicescore.   Maybe a reasonable 20-$25 a year , but $64 a year is too high 

Today, exported a cv file of shooters out of Cas scoring and with a little manipulation, imported into practiscore.   Disappointing to have to change, but was easy to switch back.

 

[Dusty Driver]

We have been using Practiscore for several years now. Works flawlessly. 

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

14 hours ago, Cotton Eye Joe said:

Just buy a few less starbucks coffees, eh? Hahaha

 

I get it (Not Starbucks, I still brew my coffee at home at less than $1.00/cup.  I also realize that in the big scheme of things it's not a huge amount of money, but what galls me was the way in which this was implemented.  No notice, auto-upgrade on the iPad, and now my software doesn't work and I don't find out about it until I have already started the match but can't enter times?  That's disrespectful to everyone that has been using their software, and marketing it to other clubs for free.

 

We went with this software because I know of a lot of other clubs that were using it, and even though Apple products and I have a Hate/Hate relationship (all the way back to the first LISA computer) I spent the $$$ to buy iPads.  Taught a training course at our club, trained a lot of folks, and spread the word to other clubs.  Now this?  Not a way to build a lasting business relationship, that's for sure.  What happens next year?  Will they bump the price up again and hold my match hostage until I pay?  I don't know, and that's the problem.

 

Just poor form, all around, and in a business environment if you lose my trust, I don't buy from you again, period.  I will always remember something that I was told a few decades ago...

 

The Hardest Costumer To Win, Is The One You Just Lost!

 

They have lost my trust, and although I may have to pay the fee for the short term, it is going to take a lot to convince me not to change to another scoring program.

 

Just my $0.02 and that won't even pay for 1 Day of this software rental....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Don Jorge]

Does Practiscore allow bluetooth hookup with a  Bluetooth timer?

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

15 minutes ago, Don Jorge said:

Does Practiscore allow bluetooth hookup with a  Bluetooth timer?

 

Yes it does.  We just used that combination at the DE State Championship a week ago.  Seemed to work very well.

[Gayle Lady T]

I’ve not used anything but practicescore, and for a free program, it’s darned nice! Even tho my small group is growing, there’s no way I could justify a monthly subscription. I think this is going to bite them where it hurts. JMHO

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

 

1 hour ago, Don Jorge said:

Does Practiscore allow bluetooth hookup with a  Bluetooth timer?

My club uses this combination successfully for modern action handgun matches.  When the TO shows the scorekeeper the timer display, the bluetooth connection is strong enough to sync.  Our tablets are sensitive to heat.  (For example, the operating range for iPads is freezing to 95-deg F.)  They need to be kept in the shade to keep working.  (Provide the scorekeeper a chair and shade.)  South Carolina State (The Bushwack) used Bluetooth timers and tablets and was ready for an awards ceremony about an hour after the final stage was shot.  Bordertown also uses electronic scoring.  

Edited May 12, 2025 by Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971
more info

[Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L]

On 5/12/2025 at 8:47 AM, Don Jorge said:

Does Practiscore allow bluetooth hookup with a  Bluetooth timer?

As other stated yes. The commander timer works with android and iPads. The competition electronics works with droid tablets.

 

We use Practiscore for Cowboy match’s, USPSA, Steel Challenge and Rimfire Challenge. 
 

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

So, this morning in a fit of insanity (or maybe an epiphany of clarity...) I downloaded Pratiscore2 onto my iPad.  No issues there, got it started a running OK, and figured I would play around with it some and try to build a match, and possibly enter the scores manually for last weekends match just to see what would happen and what kind of reports I could generate.

 

All good, until I had to select a Match Type.  Maybe I did something wrong, but I can't get the software to let me select anything for Match Type other than the default Hit Factor.

 

Is there a decent "Practiscore 2 For Dummies" out there anywhere?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Surgeon]

40 minutes ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said:

So, this morning in a fit of insanity (or maybe an epiphany of clarity...) I downloaded Pratiscore2 onto my iPad.  No issues there, got it started a running OK, and figured I would play around with it some and try to build a match, and possibly enter the scores manually for last weekends match just to see what would happen and what kind of reports I could generate.

 

All good, until I had to select a Match Type.  Maybe I did something wrong, but I can't get the software to let me select anything for Match Type other than the default Hit Factor.

 

Is there a decent "Practiscore 2 For Dummies" out there anywhere?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure if it looks the same on the I pad but on my phone when you first open the app its on a match already you got to the top corner and hit change. Then go to add and there should be a match type for SASS Cowboy action. you click on that then you can enter your squads and scores ect. 

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

18 minutes ago, The Surgeon said:

Not sure if it looks the same on the I pad but on my phone when you first open the app its on a match already you got to the top corner and hit change. Then go to add and there should be a match type for SASS Cowboy action. you click on that then you can enter your squads and scores ect. 

That's what I thought I was doing but I will check again later.  It's possible I need to establish an account first before all the options appear, something I have yet to do.  It wasn't given any options that I saw, but this is my first rodeo with this software.

 

Was that an Android phone or Apple phone you were using?  Just curious...

 

I will try it again this afternoon after my morning excursions.

 

Thanks for the assistance.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2025 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L
'cause I don't spel two gud!

[The Surgeon]

24 minutes ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said:

That's what I thought I was doing but I will check again later.  It's possible I need to establish an account first before all the options appear, something I have yet to do.  It wasn't given any options that I saw, but this is my first rodeo with this software.

 

Was that an Android phone or Apple phone you were using?  Just curious...

 

I will try it again this afternoon after my morning excursions.

 

Thanks for the assistance.

 

 

I'm using android. Here is what it looks like on my app

[Denton Dancer]

The new version of PractiScore does’t appeasement to allow adding devisions which equates to shooting categories . Did i miss something?

[Sedalia Dave]

On iPhone

 

Current match should be "My first match Hit Factor"

 

Select Matches. Then select New Match. From there you select Cowboy. Will then give the option for SASS: Cowboy Action or SASS: Wild Bunch. 

 

Scroll down to Match Type and select Time Plus. Then scroll down to Sub Type and select SASS: Cowboy Action 

 

You can also set any other defaults on this page.

 

When done select back and now you can build stages and shooters.

Edited May 14, 2025 by Sedalia Dave

[Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L]

Thanks.  I was just about to post that I found that.  The issue I was having was that for the very first match (Default named My First Match) it only allowed Hit Factor and it was unchangeable.  When I created a brand new match, that gave me all of the other options, including SASS.

 

I built Last Weeks match into the iPad, then added two of the shooters, and fumbled my way through entering the scores.  Had a few issues with hitting Enter before checking the scores and struggled to delete them, and eventually figured out how to just delete the whole match. 

 

Important Note to those who are just starting out with this...When they let you put in a number for Strings, enter 1, not 24 for the number of shots....

 

I suspect I have a steep learning curve ahead of me for this software.  It is definitely NOT structured for SASS, but it has most of what we need in there.  I will keep playing with it in the off hours, but I suspect I am going to be forced to pay for at least a 1 month subscription to CAS Scoring just so I can get through the MD State Match next month without any NEW problems...

 

Thanks for all the help!

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2025 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L
'Cause I Don't Spel Two Gud!

[The Surgeon]

15 minutes ago, Denton Dancer said:

The new version of PractiScore does’t appeasement to allow adding devisions which equates to shooting categories . Did i miss something?

You add the category when you add a shooter. 

[Denton Dancer]

Do not not have the capability to add a category not listed´ ie something speciál not in the current liśted Elden statesman duelist