Dantankerous Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Looking for any personal experience and thoughts with the Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp in 10mm any of y'all may have. Not interested in the 4 inch Match Champion as the intent would be for a carry piece. 6 rounds of 10 mm in a mid-sized, 3 inch revolver sounds fascinating. This gun seems to have good sights for a carry gun as well. Yes, moon clips needed for proper ejection but that is not a deal breaker. These are pretty difficult to come across right now so is the search worth it considering so many other choices although not in 10mm? Thanks for any helpful insight. 2 Quote
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I’m a big 10mm fan. The 3 1/4” 10mm 1911 I built was loud. You lose a bit of velocity out of the shorter barrel but I think it would be worth it. Can always shoot .40 short and weak in the moon clips as it’s a lot easier and cheaper to find. Quote
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 It’s a gun that folks will buy and then trade for something else. 1 Quote
Old Man Graybeard Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I like my 10 mm…in a long slide 1911. Don’t know about a short barrel revolver though Quote
Whitey James Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I have never really understood the benefit of 10mm in a revolver when 357 mag, 41 mag, and 44 mag exist and don't require moon clips. Quote
Dantankerous Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 35 minutes ago, Whitey James said: I have never really understood the benefit of 10mm in a revolver when 357 mag, 41 mag, and 44 mag exist and don't require moon clips. For a carry sized revolver, think 3" or less, the GP100s from Ruger in either 10mm or .357 works well for weight and concealment. Of course, so do offerings from other manufacturers, but this thread is about one revolver in particular. While I have seen .41 magnum CCW size revolvers sell on gunbroker they are not currently in production, and what is available is quite pricey. The .44 magnum revolver tends to be too large/heavy, especially in a 6 shot size frame. So that gives us the 44 Special, which is also difficult to find and if found, again, pricey. Think Smith 624 as it is a six shot. So that leaves us with the 6 shot 10mm (40 caliber) as an option. I absolutely agree, rimmed cartridge revolvers are perhaps more suitable for many reasons. This 10mm option is just a niche I'm exploring. 2 Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Dantankerous I could certainly be coerced. However, for me, as a carry gun, It would have to be equipped with the Hogue Monogrip, but preferably the Hogue Mono Walnut. If, however, there were two presented on the counter, one in 10mm and one in 357, I'd personally opt for the 357. Just my weak minded opine. 1 Quote
Alpo Posted March 27 Posted March 27 If it wasn't a Ruger. If I got a Smith & Wesson double action revolver in 10 mm, I would get another cylinder - probably one in 357 - and have it rechambered to 38/40. This would give me a lovely gun with two cylinders that I could fire three different cartridges in. That would be neat. But unless they have changed their policy, Ruger will not sell you a cylinder. So finding a spare GP100 357 cylinder would be difficult. 1 Quote
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Are you looking specifically for a 10mm, of just a mid size big bore revolver? If just a big bore, Taurus made several on their medium frame, the 445, 450, and 455, in .44Spl, .45Colt, and .45ACP respectively, all 5 shot, and all with a 2" barrel. A friend of mine had a 450 and it was a fun little gun. Recoil was surprisingly easy to handle. Though they're all out of production now, the can be found on the used market, probably for a lot less that a 10mm. Charter Arms makes their Pitbull line of revolvers, again 5 shot, but 2 & 1/2" barrels, in .40 S&W and .45ACP. These guns do NOT use a moon clip, but have an assembly in the extractor star that allows the use of a rimless case, but still extracts the empties normally. I had one in .45ACP, but just couldn't fall in love with it like I'd hoped. And I have to say that recoil on it was stout. Just other options that are out there. P.S. If I could find one of the Taurus 450s that I could afford, I'd get it in a heartbeat. 1 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I think it's a great Lil gin and I'm a huge 10mm fan. I reload em hot but for carry, underwood 180g bonded HP is the bomb for carry ammo. Underwood loads em right and the ruger can sure handle hot loads. Good luck! 1 Quote
Dantankerous Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Are you looking specifically for a 10mm, of just a mid size big bore revolver? Looking at the 10mm simply because it has a six round capacity over the other mid frame guns. I'd probably prefer a 6 shot 44 Special but won't be finding the Smith 624 for under $1300. So, the 10mm has my interest. I suppose a 7 round .357 wouldn't be a bad second choice but I do like the .40 cal option better. Quote
Rip Snorter Posted March 27 Posted March 27 IMHO, unless you are in bear country, the 10mmm is a bit of overkill. Pun intended. 1 Quote
Whitey James Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I guess there is a market for them or else they wouldn't get made. Kinda like an El Camino I guess. When you want a car but need a truck. 1 Quote
Pat Riot Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I got no input except I hope you find one and enjoy it. 1 Quote
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Good discussion! I like calibers that start with a 4 Jabez Cowboy 1 Quote
Dantankerous Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 21 minutes ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: Good discussion! I like calibers that start with a 4 Jabez Cowboy Amen 56 minutes ago, Whitey James said: I guess there is a market for them or else they wouldn't get made. Kinda like an El Camino I guess. When you want a car but need a truck. El Caminos are one of the sexiest vehicles ever made! 😀 2 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/27/2025 at 1:56 PM, Rip Snorter said: IMHO, unless you are in bear country, the 10mmm is a bit of overkill. Pun intended. Overkill? Let's for sure hope the bad guys are wearing a light t-shirt and iits a clean 21 foot shot...ya, not so in the real world. Especially now, bad guys wear vests too, sometime you may have to shoot thru car windshield, glass, a wall, barricade, who knows...if you can handle a 10mm, maybe you can't, it is a fantastic every day cartridge. If you reload, you can make it do about whatever you are loading for. Overkill? These days, no my friend. Ever heard someone say, dam I wish I had a weaker, less powerful gun in this gunfight? Load and carry for you and your families life, it may come to that. 1 Quote
Rip Snorter Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Whatever. I generally hit what I aim at. The 10 and the 40 came out after the Miami Shootout through the FBI. The 10 proved too powerful for many of the agency's personnel so downsize to the 40. The 10 hung around for a while, HRT and / or SWAT, then it was gone. Don't have or need a 10. 45 Auto or the Keith load in one of a few 45 Colt revolvers work just fine as does 357. Beyond that, rifles actually rule except for concealment. Quote
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 Shoulder hit with a .357 beats a miss with a 40,,, and Shoulder hit with a 40 beats a miss with a 45 acp. ,,, A shoulder hit with a 45 beats Both... A center of Mass hit with a Shotgun beats all... Jabez Cowboy 1 Quote
Texas Joker Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Y'all live in falusia? I've said before I carry for self defense but I'm not going on patrol in the mekong delta. I don't need a tactical load out to go get groceries. If you're LEO you'll be told what you can carry. If you're not and you're worried about shooting through Kevlar and cars maybe consider what you're doing and where you're going the requires such considerations. If its gonna get jiggy and Kevlar is a concern a long gun is the answer. Caliber of sidearm is irrelevant nobody wants to get shot. Pulling a Magnum revolver firing and getting back on target for the 2nd shot takes time. And you're gonna miss. Paper or steel doesn't jump, dodge or shoot back. And since THEY chose when to engage you are at a disadvantage, rushed and dealing with an adrenaline dump. You're gonna miss. Smaller caliber let's you hold recoil better and retain sight picture. But at the end of the day it's your decion. Your money and your choice. Quote
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Howdy Dan I use to shoot a lot of 10mm, but only in my semi-autos. But, for general purposes of sharing some information about the 10mm, I thought I would list some of my data from my velocity test. Here is a lot of data, but I hope it helps. And I might add that this data is from MY testing and not from any book information. I will show bullet weight, powder charge/powder type, and average velocity. My chronograph was set approx 8 ft. from muzzle. And all testing was done in warm weather. Although accuracy is subjective to guns and shooter, I will also show those loads that gave me the best accuracy from each pistol. EAA WITNESS.......... 3.6" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1325. Best Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP. 12.7 / AA7. 1307 150 Nosler JHP. 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1309. Best Accuracy 155 XTP. 12.7 / AA7. 1319 155 XTP. 9.9 / Power Pistol. 1244 165 V-Crown. 9.5 / Longshot. 1223 Springfield 'XDM' .......... 3.8" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1359. Best Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP. 12.7 / AA7. 1331 150 Nosler JHP. 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1367 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7. 1359 155 XTP. 9.9 / Power Pistol. 1277. Best Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot. 1237 Springfield 'Ronin' .......... 5.0" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9 1440 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1466 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1437 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1387. Good Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1313. Top Accuracy #1 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Power Pistol 1307. Top Accuracy. #2 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1236 180 XTP 9.4 / Longshot 1294. Top Accuracy #3 Iver Johnson 'Eagle-XL' ..........6.0" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1522. Good Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol 1476. Good Accuracy 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1471 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1417. Good Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1333 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1268. Best Accuracy 180 XPT 9.4 / Longshot 1319 Springfield 'Operator' TRP .......... 6.0" barrel (everything was accurate) 135 Sierra JHP 16.2 / AA9 1539 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol 1540. Best Accuracy #1 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1489 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1459 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1359 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Power Pistol 1369. Best Accuracy #2 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1296 180 XTP 9.4 / Longshot 1347 NOTE: The V-Crown bullet is a Sierra Bullet, but they call it the 'V-Crown'. If you find any typo's (discrepancies) in my data, give me a shout back and I can double check my data. Or if ya want a call, PM me your phone and I'll call ya at your convenience. Hope this helps. I ain't typed this much since sending Elvira a love letter in high school........ ..........Widder 1 Quote
Dantankerous Posted April 2 Author Posted April 2 Widder, Thanks! Lots of good info there, including with Power Pistol, which is one of my favorite powders. I certainly appreciate the post. Dan 1 Quote
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 2 Posted April 2 DAN, I shoot a reasonable amount of .45+P, .45 Super, and 460 Rowland in my 1911's and Power Pistol and Longshot have become my favorite powders. AND, as you can tell from my data, Power Pistol and Longshot have warranted their favorable usages in my 10mm also. On a side note, concerning semi-auto pistol type ammo, I have found BE-86 my favorite in the 9mm........ although I have not tested it for anything else. AND..... CFE PISTOL is also an excellent 10mm powder but I couldn't find my load data on it. If you want some data on CFE PISTOL, let me know and I'll check thru my 10mm folder. I've kept data on just about everything I've ever fired, including testing some pistols for TN Williams. Everything from his S&W 617 (.22) up to his S&W 500 Mag. Slater has told me that when I die, he would like for me to will all my load data stuff to him. He don't want any guns....... just my load data. The 10mm is a great cartridge and should serve you well in a revolver. Its a true .40 caliber and I have found it easy to reload. Some powders and published load data can give you a compressed load, so proceed with caution on those. If I remember correctly, AA9 and Blue Dot have compressed load data, which I try to stay away from. ..........Widder 1 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted April 2 Posted April 2 I been loading 10mm a long time, and I absolutely agree with widders 9.4 Longshot with 180g .....my go to load for my glock 20/40,mp,sig 310x,springfield elite operator 10mm...and what ever 10mm i carry, underwood makes a helluve round too. Thanks for all the loads widder! 1 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted April 2 Posted April 2 40cal is way to cheap to waste time reloading. Aimsurplus.com takes care of that for me. Quote
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Speaking of reloading data, I also have some LIMITED data for the S&W 500 mag, and the S&W 460 mag. My 460 seems to favor H-110 and LilGun, but I have also found a VERY GOOD load using CFE BLK when shooting the 300 grain bullets. I've test AA9 and Ramshot 'ENFORCER' in both pistols but I didn't like the results as well as H110, LilGun and CFE BLK. ..........Widder Quote
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