Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Hello the wire; Wanna make a foray into loading .357 cases for my revolvers & rifles. Wanna use 125 grain lubed lead bullets (I have lots of them) I think I have these powders on hand: Bullseye, Trail Boss, Clays, Titegroup, & HP38 I found some published data on the Internet, but Looking specifically for cowboy loads Any recipes to share? Thanks in advance --Dawg Quote
Rip Snorter Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I trust prolly too many folks - none I have not met, only one ever on loading. Hodgdon and other Manufacturer sites are a good, safer path. Quote
Sam Sackett Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I have been using 3.0 grains of Bullseye or Clays with both 125 and 158 lubed bullets. I use either 38 or 357 cases loaded to 1.545” OAL. I bump up to 3.2 grains if using Win 231 (HP 38 is same powder). Never used Tightgroup or Trail Boss. Not saying you should, but just what I do. They go bang, ding and knock stuff down when needed. Sam Sackett 1 Quote
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Hodgdon's minimum of Clays has worked well for me and clean too in any caliber and bullet combination I've tried. Using ClayDot for those needs now. 1 Quote
watab kid Posted February 27 Posted February 27 funny thing about cowboys i know is they share their successes , i trust their loads as a starting point they all use them , its the refinement should you choose t do that which will ,make your loads your own , just use good sense when adjusting what you have been told , this makes this sport fun in so many ways but it can be dangerous as well , i always research what im told very carefully to make sure , only prudent , Quote
Go West Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I checked 231 loads using a 125 gr. bullet. The new Hodgdon Reloading magazine showed 3.9 gr. @ 876 fps and the Lyman Cast book showed showed 3.9 gr. @ 733 fps. I can understand a small difference, but this seems a bit much for the same charge and bullet. Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Remember that WW231 and HP-38 are the same powder. Quote
Mister Badly Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3.5 gr Trail Boss with a 130 gr bullet crimped in the groove at 1.58 oal Quote
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Using 38 special cases I use 3.2 grains TiteGroup with both my 140 grain rifle loads, and my 125 grain pistol loads. Federal SPM primers. It is readily available around here and while no powders are really “cheap” it is less expensive than most. Regards Gateway Kid Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I'm loading Ellie's 38s with 2.8 Clays with a 125 TC coated bullet. Crimped in the crimp groove. Clean her rifle once a season just cuz! Quote
The Surgeon Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I load 2.9 Grns of Bullseye under a 105 grn TC I used the same powder charge when i was using 125 Grn TC and crimp in the crimp groove. Quote
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 Thanks fellas -- this confirms what I thought. Usually only load black powder, so I thought I'd ask! Have a good week! --Dawg Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3.5 grs of TiteGroup in a .38 case, I’m sure that would be fine for 357’s as well. Quote
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 Rye -- Here I am asking about smokeless loading data! -- Don't tell anyone!! 2 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Nobody here on this Internet is gonna say anything. I think you're safe 😊 4 Quote
Elkhorn Ernie Posted February 27 Posted February 27 8 hours ago, Go West said: I checked 231 loads using a 125 gr. bullet. The new Hodgdon Reloading magazine showed 3.9 gr. @ 876 fps and the Lyman Cast book showed showed 3.9 gr. @ 733 fps. I can understand a small difference, but this seems a bit much for the same charge and bullet. The reason for the velocity difference could be the type of firearm used in the testing. Regular Lyman loading manual shows they used a 4" universal receiver, while the Hodgdon web site shows them using a 7.7" barrel. That would cause the difference. Best away to know your velocity is to shoot your load over a chronograph. 2 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 54 minutes ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: Rye -- Here I am asking about smokeless loading data! -- Don't tell anyone!! 😂😂😂 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: Rye -- Here I am asking about smokeless loading data! -- Don't tell anyone!! Who are you, and what did you do with the real Prairie Dawg? T 3 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 24 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Who are you, and what did you do with the real Prairie Dawg? T He’s getting old and doesn’t want to mess with BP anymore but Shhhh don’t say anything! It’s our secret 🤫 1 Quote
Ya Big Tree Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Check Garrison Joe's link 5 comments down for a downloadable manual. Quote
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 Thanks for the link -- I had that manual at one time, but then my computer took a dump! --Dawg Quote
Hoss Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 3.0 Bullseye with either 105 (pistol) if 130 rifle has worked god me. 40K rounds +/. Bullseye is not temp or position sensitive. Excellent powder for our game. you can load over 18,000 rounds with an 8lb jug! Edited February 28 by Hoss Quote
Wild Eagle Posted February 28 Posted February 28 For both Bullseye and TiteGroup 3.2 grains will make you a very nice cowboy load. I tried HP-38 for cowboy, but I was having to load hotter than I wanted to get it to burn clean. If you want to use HP-38 you'll need SP Magnum primers and about 3.6 grains to get a soft and fairly clean load. Never used Trail Boss, and I liked Clays too much for shotgun to use it in anything else. Quote
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