seems to be a lot of plane crashes lately Toronto this time

[watab kid]

wing torn off on landing , flipped upside down , three in critical condition including an infant but so far all survived it , hate hearing these things , 

[Eyesa Horg]

We got a short teaser earlier, but no details.

[Trailrider #896]

Report saying 40 mph (or was it knots?) on landing.  Depends on if it was a crosswind or what. Most commercial airlines can NOT handle a 35 mph crosswind 90 degrees to the flightpath! Wing might have hit the runway. Thankfully no fire!

 

Prayers up for the injured!   

[Cypress Sun]

Toronto Pearson Airport suffers Delta plane crash, flips upside down, according to reports | Fox News

[Rye Miles #13621]

I never liked flying anyway, in fact ive only flown 6 times in my life (round trips) No thanks I’ll drive. 

[Trailrider #896]

When I used to fly light planes, we were told not to try landing with 90 degree crosswind exceeding 35 knots. Did it one time. Was a little hairy, but the Cessna 172 could handle it much easier than any commercial airliner, including DC-3's, which are very forgiving. Not sure if the tower had reports of high crosswinds, or the result of a freak gust. Would have thought the pilots would have requested a different runway. Lucky no fatalities, though several critically injured.

 

"Run as fast as you can. There is no place to hide! Fate is the hunter!" Earnest K. Gann.

[Dr. Zook]

Almost wonder if he experienced some type of wing stall in conjunction with ground effect and the high cross wind speed ---perfect storm so to speak?

[Eyesa Horg]

Just yesterday I was watching "Air Disasters" and an unexpected 45 mph crosswind hit the tail during takeoff of a 747. Knocked it off the runway and across the grass and tarmac into hanger where it caught fire. 

The show is about the NTSB investigations into air crashes. Pretty amazing how they piece together a crash.

[watab kid]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I never liked flying anyway, in fact ive only flown 6 times in my life (round trips) No thanks I’ll drive. 

me either - i had to fly a lot for a few years for work , i hope never to do so again , 

[John Kloehr]

20 knot crosswinds, threshold is up to 29. It looks like there was a big gust. I'll skip posting the video which is on foreign feeds.

 

One knot is a little more than one mile per hour,

 

Prayers for the injured, particularly the baby.

[watab kid]

left MPLS and that makes me think we need reforms in traffic control and pilot training but since im not flying anymore ill just leave it to those that do , 

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

It kinda make you wounder what they are trying to make you not pay attention too now !

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

When the crashes are in Russia, I’d say it’s more efficient than defenestration.

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

I flew for work for 30+ years. Mostly Southwest. But when the Santa Ana winds hit So. Calif. landing in Ontario was always fun. Up and down and rocking the wings. sticking the one side landing gear then flipping the plane straight.  Good times.

[Trailrider #896]

Local sheriff keeps saying there was no crosswind or icy runway. But that is NOT what the tower was reporting! The other possibility with the winds might have been head or tail gusts that died off suddenly, so there wasn't time to adjust power! Plane impacted the runway hard enough to collapse the right main gear, with the right wing impacting the runway causing it to shear off, whereupon the lift on the left wing caused the plane to roll over onto its top. Amazing footage from a passenger's camera as they were evacuating the plane. While there were several injuries serious enough to keep them in the hospital, the fact that nobody was killed or "seriously" injured is nothing short of miraculous.  "Any one you walk away from is a good landing!"

[Cypress Sun]

Delta plane crash in Toronto: All 80 aboard survive, 3 critically injured | Fox News

 

Video of the actual crash. Hard to tell what happened, kind of looks like a very hard landing.

[Dr. Zook]

I flew medivac (backseat) for a number of years. Thankfully, I don't have to take my shoes off to count the number of times we had a close call on a mission. We flew under the 3 to go - 1 to say NO rule for my flight time

- 90% weather and 10% mechanical. Super King Air 900, Lear 31, Lear 35 & Lear 55.

The Philly crash really hit home as 1 of the 90% was in a 55 over Texas.  Thankfully, the pilot we had was the only one that I would have flown to **** and back with. Updraft followed by down draft under IFR, think for a moment we were zero G...

Edited February 18 by Dr. Zook

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

On 2/17/2025 at 6:27 PM, Trailrider #896 said:

When I used to fly light planes, we were told not to try landing with 90 degree crosswind exceeding 35 knots. Did it one time. Was a little hairy, but the Cessna 172 could handle it much easier than any commercial airliner, including DC-3's, which are very forgiving. Not sure if the tower had reports of high crosswinds, or the result of a freak gust. Would have thought the pilots would have requested a different runway. Lucky no fatalities, though several critically injured.

 

"Run as fast as you can. There is no place to hide! Fate is the hunter!" Earnest K. Gann.

Crosswind limit for a C-172 is 15 knots*. One needs to carry a little extra speed and 10 degrees or no flaps under those conditions. Yes, it’s hairy landing on one wheel when it’s blustery!

 

*vs 25 knots for the CRJ 900 Delta plane. 

 

 

Edited February 19 by Abilene Slim SASS 81783

[bgavin]

Schumer sez this was Trump's fault.

In Canadian air space.

[watab kid]

ya right - like the train wreck in ohio was bidens fault - NOT , quit blaming those that were not involved , its like blaming the guns when a crime is committed with one -  its the guy in control of it , and in this case might be mother nature in control ..............chit happens 

 

anyway , a few decades ago like nearly four now , i came into oklahoma city in the company plane , we hit a wind shear , dropped 400 feet in an instant on approach , these things happen , its why i dont fly anymore if i can help it , had we been a bit closer in our approach we might have had this bad day , as it was the guy in front without his seatbelt got his bald head split open on the rivets of the roof - i had a clean sock in my bag - it helped but he had a mark , 

[Trailrider #896]

On 2/18/2025 at 4:13 PM, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

Crosswind limit for a C-172 is 15 knots*. One needs to carry a little extra speed and 10 degrees or no flaps under those conditions. Yes, it’s hairy landing on one wheel when it’s blustery!

 

*vs 25 knots for the CRJ 900 Delta plane. 

 

 

Been awhile, like 1963 or so. One thing I was told was not to land in a crosswind with full (mechanical, not electrical) flaps, cause it covered up the horizontal stabilizers!  Regardless, a wind shear could have contributed to the CRJ 900 crash.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

Just now, Trailrider #896 said:

Been awhile, like 1963 or so. One thing I was told was not to land in a crosswind with full (mechanical, not electrical) flaps, cause it covered up the horizontal stabilizers!  Regardless, a wind shear could have contributed to the CRJ 900 crash.

Yup, the 172s of that vintage became known for that. Those “barn doors” went from 0-40 degrees. The FAA stepped in and required those models be placarded with “max 30 degrees” warning. Later models only went from 0-30 degrees extension. 
 

I agree wind shear could have been a factor. It was a blustery day and I’ve experienced that. If I was an investigator, I’d be asking the flight crew why they didn’t execute a go-around?

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

Yup, the 172s of that vintage became known for that. Those “barn doors” went from 0-40 degrees. The FAA stepped in and required those models be placarded with “max 30 degrees” warning. Later models only went from 0-30 degrees extension. 
 

I agree wind shear could have been a factor. It was a blustery day and I’ve experienced that. If I was an investigator, I’d be asking the flight crew why they didn’t execute a go-around?

Also looking possible the landing gear on one side of the lane simply collapsed. Will be months before those kind of findings are final.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

Also looking possible the landing gear on one side of the lane simply collapsed. Will be months before those kind of findings are final.

We’ll never know. The media has already moved on as they have with the DC collision. Results will eventually be published, but not by MSM. One will have to do a search about a year+ from now. 

 

Squirrel!

 

 

[J-BAR #18287]

No recent events relieve my reluctance to get into an airplane.

[Rip Snorter]

Could be worse - AIRBORN, jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Prays for all .

I asked God one time .

I said God you know I don't like hights and I know we never know how we are going to die , But Lord Please don't ever take me in a plain crash .

I herd him say , 

Don't Fly !

And I kept the bargain with him