Shanghai Slim Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Howdy folks, I just tuned 21. I want my first pair of revolvers. I found some 9mm revolver, but none of them has short stroke kits. I want a pair of 9mm revolvers is Short stroke or could be modified to Short stroke, thanks Quote
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 What make and model is the revolver? That will help smiths on this Wire advise you. Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 You’ll need a rifle too and good luck finding that plus you’ll have to reload because I haven’t seen any lead 9mm. It’s a bad choice for this sport. .38/.357 is a much better choice! 5 Quote
Whitey James Posted February 17 Posted February 17 I would love to hear the reason you have decided to go with 9mm over traditional revolver cartridges such as 357/38, 45 Colt, 44 Sp/Mag, etc. 1 Quote
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 15 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: You’ll need a rifle too and good luck finding that plus you’ll have to reload because I haven’t seen any lead 9mm. It’s a bad choice for this sport. .38/.357 is a much better choice! There has been about a dozen posts about Taylor’s 9mm ‘73 rifle and more than one or two posts about legal, factory 9mm ammo. All within the past 3 weeks. Quote
Sam Sackett Posted February 18 Posted February 18 I don’t know if they are still made, but Ruger made some New Vaqueros that had both 38/357 and 9mm cylinders. The Vaqueros are very popular in SASS and can be short stroked. Sam Sackett 1 Quote
Sedalia Dave Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Has the ROC ruled on the legality of rifles with threaded barrels? The new Taylors 73 in 9mm is pre threaded for a suppressor. Are these SASS legal? Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 18 Posted February 18 OP, why 9mm? You can only use all lead bullets..... 1 Quote
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Has the ROC ruled on the legality of rifles with threaded barrels? The new Taylors 73 in 9mm is pre threaded for a suppressor. Are these SASS legal? Last post about them was it’s being looked at. PWB has not come back with a final ruling. 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said: There has been about a dozen posts about Taylor’s 9mm ‘73 rifle and more than one or two posts about legal, factory 9mm ammo. All within the past 3 weeks. I know that but the ammo is still a problem unless you reload and it’s not going to be easy to find a 9 mm in a revolver or rifle as they not being stocked everywhere. It’s not going to be easy to find factory lead 9mm even coated. So far only one person posted where you can find some. My point is why make it hard for yourself when traditional SASS calibers are a much better choice. Edited February 18 by Rye Miles #13621 1 Quote
watab kid Posted February 19 Posted February 19 at 21 i already owned a few - yes , that was a different time , pre 68 , so to be more relavant to your question , what do you want to do with your first purchase ? at your age id want to shoot three gun and other handgun venues , id also want to shoot SASS but the requires two , do where do you start ? i think you need to think wild bunch first that way you have a handgun for other venues as well as CAS , then buy revolvers as money allows , just my 2 cents Quote
Dapper Dave Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Welcome Slim, hope you find what you need here, I know I did. \ Do you have a 9mm self defense pistol and you want to keep the ammo easy? If you reload and cast, it's easy. If you don't, that's a large leap to make so quick, but if you are planning on it, there is a bunch of information out there about that. Otherwise, finding plain lead cast 9mm ammo is going to be very difficult. I did a quick internet search and found only 147gr at speeds over 1000 FPS, which is also outside of the rules. I would recommend that you look at 357/38 caliber firearms, much easier, BUT, if that 9mm stuff is what you have your heart set on, I'd start pricing reloading equipment and casting tools. castboolits.gunloads.com is a great resource for that information. 1 Quote
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) You want .38s. (.357) A nice pair of Colt clones from Pietta would be just what you need to get started. IMHO. https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1873-Great-Western-II-Revolvers-c64.htm https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/pistolero-357-38-sp-4-3-4-in.html Edited February 19 by The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 1 1 Quote
Matthew Duncan Posted February 19 Posted February 19 4 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: You want .38s. (.357)… That sounds like the car Salesman that TOLD me I didn’t want a Volkswagen Rabbit. I needed a different VW he had on the lot. So I went next door to the Honda Dealer who I learned also owned the VW storefront. I asked the Honda Salesman if he could sale me a VW Rabbit. Yes, they will have a new shipment at the end of the week. Can you guess which Salesman I listen to? 2 1 Quote
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, Matthew Duncan said: That sounds like the car Salesman that TOLD me I didn’t want a Volkswagen Rabbit. I needed a different VW he had on the lot. So I went next door to the Honda Dealer who I learned also owned the VW storefront. I asked the Honda Salesman if he could sale me a VW Rabbit. Yes, they will have a new shipment at the end of the week. Can you guess which Salesman I listen to? Um... what? 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Interesting, the OP hasn't been back since his initial post 1 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted February 19 Posted February 19 He's a college student, so may be busy. He was on a month or so ago looking to buy a rifle and got caught up in the scammer scandals! He was vouched for by members of his club as being legit and a newbie. I hope to meet him this fall when we go to Connecticut. Good Luck Slim! 2 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Interesting, the OP hasn't been back since his initial post Maybe he doesn’t like the suggestions to ditch the 9mm? 🙄 1 1 Quote
Nickle Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Seriously what should a new guy buy? I'm just waiting on a government change here in Canada and daydreaming about what I'm going to buy when handgun freeze is thrown out. I want a 45colt. I don't care what's better. I want a Colt model P in 45 colt. Most of you shoot 4 and 5/8" so I'm thinking there is a reason for it so I guess that's what I will go with. The covid era Italian guns sound like crap. Third gen real colts apparently are not mechanical much better. 2nd and 1st gen are really pricey. I don't want a transfer bar type gun. I'm thinking about ruger old army's with cartridge conversion. Course I would have to find a pair. Maybe a new model Vaquero if it's possible to convert it to a normal 3screw old model action? Probably best is uberti reproductions. Then just slick them up? 1 Quote
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Don't ask me, I'm sellin' folks the wrong VW! 4 Quote
Griff Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Nickle, I've played this game a long time, beginning in 1985 with a 3rd Gen Colt mdl P in 45 Colt. The pair I own are from 1976 & 1979. I've heard that certain production years of Colt's SAAs were less than perfect, but that time is long past, mostly what I heard (worth doodly squat IMO), were guns from the '80s. I've not heard bad things from recent production runs. I've also shot a rifle in 45 Colt, which I read on the wire is a poor choice. I don't know that from my experience... A person is entitled to want what they want... Good advice is just that, advice... and should be listened to. But, everyone had different goals in this sport, and how they meet those goals shouldn't be foisted off on others as "the" way to succeed. However, in the majority of cases some of it can be backed up with facts and figures... like the availability of certain ammo types, the cost to reload vs even buying reloaded ammo; the cost to reload a particular cartridge vs. another. 1 1 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted February 19 Posted February 19 You want to shoot a 45 colt, GO FOR IT! Shoot what makes you happy, no one here is gonna load for ya or buy your ammo, you play your way. I love the 45 colts and 44-40s, wouldn't ever trade em. And ifn I could afford to shoot Colts pistols, I would! 2 Quote
Whitey James Posted February 19 Posted February 19 4 hours ago, Nickle said: Seriously what should a new guy buy? I'm just waiting on a government change here in Canada and daydreaming about what I'm going to buy when handgun freeze is thrown out. I want a 45colt. I don't care what's better. I want a Colt model P in 45 colt. Most of you shoot 4 and 5/8" so I'm thinking there is a reason for it so I guess that's what I will go with. The covid era Italian guns sound like crap. Third gen real colts apparently are not mechanical much better. 2nd and 1st gen are really pricey. I don't want a transfer bar type gun. I'm thinking about ruger old army's with cartridge conversion. Course I would have to find a pair. Maybe a new model Vaquero if it's possible to convert it to a normal 3screw old model action? Probably best is uberti reproductions. Then just slick them up? My NMV Bisleys were worked by Shotgun Boogie. No transfer bar and have half cock now. They are in 45 Colt. 1 Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Well, I'm now 20+ some replies down but I'm only addressing Nickle. You wan't .45 Colt?? Go for it. Regardless you're gonna have to reload to afford this game. My suggestion for guns would be Pietta Great Western 2s. Closest to a Colt of any reproduction, and the new production GW 2s are sweet and require minimal preparation for CAS. The only "must do" is remove the Cylinder Base Pin and replace it with a Uberti single grove non safety base pin. Then go play. 2 Quote
watab kid Posted February 20 Posted February 20 i have a pair of great westerns in 38/357 that are really nice - id recommend them , i have a pair of ruger NV in 45colt , i also recommend them , there are others over the years id not recomend but i was looking for a positive pointer here 1 Quote
Sedalia Dave Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Go to a match and try out every firearm that you can. You may be surprised at what points naturally for you. 2 Quote
Shanghai Slim Posted February 21 Author Posted February 21 I load 38special the cost is about 23 cents and it takes time. I can buy 9mm for 20cents . I am a student now don't have time to reload. Quote
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 The problem with buying 9mm on the cheap, is that they are FMJ bullets and you will only be able to shoot an all lead bullet for SASS. You will most likely want a rifle that shoots the same cartridge as your pistols and good luck finding a lever gun in 9mm. Quote
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 On 2/19/2025 at 2:07 PM, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Don't ask me, I'm sellin' folks the wrong VW! Well, since VW hasn't sold hardtop VW's since 1977 or convertibles since 1979 (In this country at least), it could be argued that all of them are wrong. 1 Quote
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 8 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Well, since VW hasn't sold hardtop VW's since 1977 or convertibles since 1979 (In this country at least), it could be argued that all of them are wrong. Rainmaker reacted with confusion, so let me try to be less confusing. THIS is a Volkswagen Volkswagen, the company, stopped selling them in the USA in 1977. They then stopped the convertible version in 1979. That was the end of the VW CAR, even though the COMPANY lives on. Yeah, yeah, they kept making them in Mexico for a couple more decades, but the ones sold in the US were all made in Germany. My point is that the above picture is of a Volkswagen. If it doesn't look like that, it's not a Volkswagen, per se, it's some other car that is made by Volkswagen. In other words, I am being ludicrously pedantic. 1 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted February 21 Posted February 21 36 minutes ago, Shanghai Slim said: I load 38special the cost is about 23 cents and it takes time. I can buy 9mm for 20cents . I am a student now don't have time to reload. Just my opinion and worth that much. To save $3.75 a match isn't worth trying regularly to find 9mm in cast lead under 1000 fps. 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 21 Posted February 21 56 minutes ago, Shanghai Slim said: I load 38special the cost is about 23 cents and it takes time. I can buy 9mm for 20cents . I am a student now don't have time to reload. Can you buy all lead bullet 9mm? Can't use FMJ in this game. Quote
Sedalia Dave Posted February 21 Posted February 21 29 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Can you buy all lead bullet 9mm? Can't use FMJ in this game. Yes you can buy 9mm loaded with unjacketed lead bullets. Several manufacturers out there. The problem is that is is all loaded to cycle semi-auto handguns. Of the few I looked at, the velocity out of a 4" barrel is running 1050 to 1200 fps which over the SASS maximum of 1000 fps 2 1 Quote
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Slim, to ACTUALLY answer your question, any of the modern single actions can be short stroked. Rugers or the Colts and Colt clones. Having said that, and shooting Ruger short strokes for 17-18 years, I would not spend the money to do it again. A good action job will be a lot cheaper and you can put the savings toward ammo. 1 Quote
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 7 hours ago, Shanghai Slim said: I load 38special the cost is about 23 cents and it takes time. I can buy 9mm for 20cents . I am a student now don't have time to reload. 9mm with lead bullets for 20 cents? If that's accurate go ahead and buy them. What brand are you seeing? Quote
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